Tanz Build Thread

[Tanzimur]

Don't bother with the bore gauge yet. Bring the block to a machinist and see what he says. If it needs an overbore, no need to use a bore gauge on it. If he says it can be honed out, then pick one up for your build. A decent bore gauge is not cheap ($100+), so don't pick one up if you don't need to.

Ye lol i was looking around for a rental at oreilys and stuff like that but ye will def locate a trusty machine shop thanks for the help guys well appreciated!

[Sickws6]

I hope you are not advertising you stole the n75 valve.

[redline380]

If you caught your nail on the cylinder wall, you won't hone it out. Honing isn't meant to remove material. It needs a bore.

[Tanzimur]

Yup i understand that now, all i need to do now is tear it down collect some money and get it off to the machine shop! What kind of name brand pistons and rod combos would you guys recommend something quality but doesn't hurt the bank to much. Or would it be cheaper to buy each separate?

[redline380]

they got supertechs on ebay for $450. make an offer for $400 and I bet they are yours. note- these are 82mm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supertech-Pi...0e3c64&vxp=mtr

[Tanzimur]

wow nice find, cheaper then i expected... but can you tell me why the center of the pistons isn't flat like the stock ones? on the super tech pistons? I assume its for better intake and exhaust consumption...

[redline380]

wow nice find, cheaper then i expected... but can you tell me why the center of the pistons isn't flat like the stock ones? on the super tech pistons? I assume its for better intake and exhaust consumption...

that is just a stock photo. audi pistons do not look like that. but generally pistons have different shapes to effect the combustion process, or because they cant be made tall enough or the valves will hit, so the ones in the picture probably just have a really big valve relief while still trying to maintain the correct compression ratio.

I don't know about supertechs, but there are probably just like the mahles I installed (which look just like stock. mahle made the stock pistons, afterall). only the center intake valve has valve relief. the stroker pistons are a bit different for reasons stated above and I think all five valves get valve relief on those pistons. also note how the ones pictured on ebay only have valve relief for four valves. that wouldn't work so well in your engine lol

[Tanzimur]

Right lmao that's why i was asking ive seen the valve relief points on the piston and the angle of them and was like wtf??? that wouldnt work out too well,

[Tanzimur]

Al rite for those of you who were wondering what happened with this build thread, its still going ive just been focused on work and school, gathering money up to get this engine done. But what happened was i had the Audi sittn under a car cover for 3 months now and got pretty depressed that i couldn't drive my baby... So what i did was cleaned out my garage, got all the parts outta the way and sorted/ painted, and sat in her. Felt like home driving on those hot 90 degree days almost teared up but had a BIG brain blast and figured im just going to buy another stock 1.8t fairly low miles and put it back in her so i can drive and what not and build my original block over time..... :) :) :) :) :)


So the big question i had, and ive researched is the a B5 VW Passat 1.8t is the exact same engine and will drop right in on my trans and the entire cradle no problems as long as its an AEB engine code... Just want some one to chime in and correct me if im wrong or what are the problems i would be facing in doing so. Because ive found plenty of Manual 1.8t AEB specific audi and vw engines tested with 111k to 130k pulled ready to go for 500 to 800 bucks.

A little what the Audi been looking like since then, couldn't handle myself had to do it...





And cleaned up bay and all...

[BaseDrifter]

To my knowledge, there are no differences between the AEB in an A4 and the AEB from the Passat.

[Tanzimur]

Alrite sounds good, would you say the same with the trans? just asking to know for future reference...

[Tanzimur]

So i grabbed a pretty little gem AEB form a 99 B5 Passat, 136k miles and it was claimed to be women owned which explains the brand new clutch on their, she supposedly wrecked the car and junkd it and i have picked it up for 500 bucks! OE spark plugs still in checked timing, hydro lifters all there, CCT in time pads not worn, and it also came with the turbo and n75 valve, No shaft play! So right now in the process of swapping over my painted parts and cleanin her up throw my new oil pump in their and do the t-belt start boostn on my beautiful Audi! P.S. If your lookn for coil packs, turbos, n75 valves, pancakes pipes lemme know!

New Engine on the picker


Bottom end of old Engine


Plugs out of new engine


New Engine clutch and pressure plate



My old clutch and pressure plate

[Tanzimur]

Al rite just transferring little things over and what not to the newer engine from the old, ive researched couldn't find anything in my situation. How does one remove the powers steering pulley to get the pump off while there's no serpentine belt and engines on the stand???

Also just wondering if the oil cooler came with any gaskets or O-rings cause when i took the oil filter off the newer engine the whole entire shaft came out with the filter and released the oil cooler from the block...

[Mad Cow]

Isn't there a place where you can jam a screwdriver through the power steering pulley to keep it from turning? If there isn't maybe you can use a strap wrench and an impact. There's an oring between the oil cooler and aluminium housing.

[BaseDrifter]

Yes there is an o-ring between the cooler and housing. I just wrote a DIY article the other day about replacing it.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-cooler-o-ring

[Tanzimur]

Ye i tried to jam something there but those Allen bolts are on there, i left some liquid wrench on em over night will see tomorrow. And ye i thought so there was nothing there! Thnx!

[Tanzimur]

Well guys thanks to all the help i appreciate it all! Got my other stock 1.8t Engine in and started her up felt great no leaks or flaws as of now, but i am still building my other short block on the side shouldn't take more then a year so stick around!!!

[Tanzimur]

Actually driving the bae tonight :)

[Tanzimur]

So i just purchased an Ecu stage 1 chip from SSP tuning it should be here by Wednesday at the latest, I was wondering what makes a stage 2 chip that much better other then bigger injectors, and advance timing? is there much of a gain their? And whats the limit on our internals on a stock 058 block?

[redline380]

some tuners have to stage to a stock ecu and stock injectors. One is kind of a half-assed chip, with 13-15psi, the other is the standard 18psi and a little more timing, maybe tuned for 93 octane. Some tuners stage 1 is other tuners stage 2. The stage are arbitrary while compared to other tuners. If a k04 tune from GIAC is stage 3, what does that make my 2871 maestro tuned car? Like, stage 10? That is why I don't like calling the tunes in stages, but rather by which turbo the tune is meant to run. In your case though, the stage 1 tune is a half-assed tune, the stage 2 is the full tune on stock inejectors. A stage 2 tune on a b6 usually includes bigger injectors, but not a b5, especially an AEB.

[MetalMan]

I thought Stage 1 would be to simply up the boost, have a little more aggressive timing, and a little leaner mixture, while on an otherwise stock car.
I thought Stage 2 would be things like high flow cat/test pipe, upgraded intercooler, higher flowing injectors, a little more aggressive timing than Stage 1, and potentially (but not necessarily) a little more boost than Stage 1.
Different companies do different things... for example I think APR has a Stage 2+ which definitely uses a K04 (not sure if their Stage 2 uses a K04 or not).

So ultimately I agree with redline... stages are stupid for the A4 (they make more sense for the S4).

And to answer your question: check with the vendor. They'll tell you the differences.

[Tanzimur]

some tuners have to stage to a stock ecu and stock injectors. One is kind of a half-assed chip, with 13-15psi, the other is the standard 18psi and a little more timing, maybe tuned for 93 octane. Some tuners stage 1 is other tuners stage 2. The stage are arbitrary while compared to other tuners. If a k04 tune from GIAC is stage 3, what does that make my 2871 maestro tuned car? Like, stage 10? That is why I don't like calling the tunes in stages, but rather by which turbo the tune is meant to run. In your case though, the stage 1 tune is a half-assed tune, the stage 2 is the full tune on stock inejectors. A stage 2 tune on a b6 usually includes bigger injectors, but not a b5, especially an AEB.

Sounds about right! was always wondering by what people meant about those different stages and crap got me all confused... and whats the limit on hp and trq on the stock internals? 250???

[redline380]

stock rods are limited to 300awhp, about. personally, I wouldn't run anything larger than a frankentrubo on stock rods

[Tanzimur]

stock rods are limited to 300awhp, about. personally, I wouldn't run anything larger than a frankentrubo on stock rods

Huh better then what i thought was 250-280... not trying to anything fancy with this new swapped engine, just trying to get it move a bit quicker for the mean time lol i got my other block that im soon going to start on once this Michigan winter goes away... Thanks for the knowledge redline btw you have a build thread??? hows your b5 running?

[redline380]

Mine is running just fine. Wish I didn't have to go to school and wish I had a job so I could waste more money on it. Here is my thread

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ime+redline380

[ray4624]

90% of people run their elim kits on stock rods. Torque kills rods, not boost. I plan on running 17psi or so with my 2871 elim on a stock block. Plenty of people have and are running that setup for thousands of miles with no issues.

[Tanzimur]

Mine is running just fine. Wish I didn't have to go to school and wish I had a job so I could waste more money on it. Here is my thread

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ime+redline380

Thats good to hear man, and i feel you on the school thing even with a job at oreillys makn 400-500 a check still need moaarrr!

[Tanzimur]

90% of people run their elim kits on stock rods. Torque kills rods, not boost. I plan on running 17psi or so with my 2871 elim on a stock block. Plenty of people have and are running that setup for thousands of miles with no issues.

Thats something i always looked at the builds as reference to like how are people running the elim kits on their and just thought maybe i should go that route in near future but thanks for the info!

[redline380]

Thats good to hear man, and i feel you on the school thing even with a job at oreillys makn 400-500 a check still need moaarrr!

Hopefully, I'll be making quite a bit when I am done with law school. I just kind of see my car as being my hobby when I am not at the office

[Tanzimur]

Hopefully, I'll be making quite a bit when I am done with law school. I just kind of see my car as being my hobby when I am not at the office

Holy shat no wonder you dont have money for the audi, law school thats a plus! and not cheap lol, im just goin for automotive tech 2 years associate degree just gotta get to know more on trans and electrical systems... sketchy shizzz right there, but then later work at a dealer and eventually open up a shop! How old are you if you dont mind me asking?

[redline380]

Holy shat no wonder you dont have money for the audi, law school thats a plus! and not cheap lol, im just goin for automotive tech 2 years associate degree just gotta get to know more on trans and electrical systems... sketchy shizzz right there, but then later work at a dealer and eventually open up a shop! How old are you if you dont mind me asking?

I am 25. I have a B.A. degree (worthless, btw) with a double major in Political Science and International Relations. I am just trying to make something of myself.

But back to audi stuff. Stick with the automotive tech. Just keep in mind auto tech is being more and more computer driven. Learn to love the computers in cars.

[Tanzimur]

[QUOTE=redline380;9412137]I am 25. I have a B.A. degree (worthless, btw) with a double major in Political Science and International Relations. I am just trying to make something of myself.

But back to audi stuff. Stick with the automotive tech. Just keep in mind auto tech is being more and more computer driven. Learn to love the computers in cars.[/QUOTE/}

Thats cool i would not have the patience to do anything you have been threw god no lol. And ye way to many new cars with fancy new electronics in them, but rebuilding trans and such theirs some real good money in that but cheaper to just buy a trans now a days.

[redline380]

Rebuilding trans? I have been inside a couple 4l60/80e's and they are complicated. I would hate to see the inside of one of these 8 speed Audi trannies.

Personally, if it were me I'd get into heavy diesel. I have a few buddies that do diesel fixing, and at least you have the chance to work for a big company with plenty of opportunity to move up.

[Tanzimur]

Al rite guys just got my very first Ecu tune stage 1 by SSP tuning! And my car is a 97 a4 1.8t AEB engine code, generally stock with test pipe to a magnaflow muffler and a cone air filter. Now my car boost's 5ibs max with this junkyard n75 i picked up my original n75 did 3ibs... so i installed the tune just genrally gapped my plugs to .024 and removed and installed the new ecu and let it run starts up fine runs real good secondary 02 is coded out i have a CEL for primary so i hooked up my Manual boost controller and drove the car spiked to 20 and then 22ish and i felt the fuel/ spark cutoff kick in.

I know the stock ecu boost cut off is 14.5 pounds so ye everythings working fine no problems i just wanted to know if i run my MBC inline with the bad n75 can i still work the boost to 18ibs or what???

[Tanzimur]

Whats happening guys, a quick update the audi has been running a1 no problems for the last 2k miles stage 1 chip loving it! But now i think im ready for the summer and upgrading stage 2! i see some kits on the class fields so i want to ask:

Obviously the 440cc injectors are needed

3in MAF housing

Ecu tune

anything else im missing other then changing out the fuel filter just cause, btw my internals are all stock and all my "mods'' are in my sig and ill most likely source down a fmic you guys think im ready???

[viceprp]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is SSP's stage II involve? I haven't heard of using 440cc inj on a stock turbo, unless you are saying that you are upgrading to a FT/K04. I know that B6 have a Stg I+ with larger inj but they have some leaning out problems on the '02's.

I would advise to look up what the SSP's Stg II is required to have and just go from there.

[Tanzimur]

Ohh no lol its a united motorsports stagr 2 ecu upgrade compatible with a k03 Setup they call for that or f21/ k04.

[Tanzimur]

The link right here!
http://www.unitedmotorsport.net/perf...ance-software/

[Tanzimur]

So i have yet to build the spare block and what not lol but its been a year since the a4 blew up running good with alot of supporting mods and such, only problem i had through out the entire summer were engine mounts breaking and snapping on me and so forth... the last straw was at the drag strip first time and was the last time of the night, launched a little too hard and snapped the main mounts in half and the solid snub mount with my upgraded side brackets held in!

But anyways seasons over with in a month so i thought id go back and regain my ego at the track lol, and i had bought a winter car prior so i am on a budget so i thought id try to build my very own motor mounts out of hockey pucks and heavy studs to hold them together! And so i did got one side done tonight had to drill out to a 3/8 hole on all 4 mounts but ye hear are some pictures!!!

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And the beater on coils since day 3 lol another 1.8 as well!

[bmos]

Those mounts are a work of art ;)
DIY engineering at its finest