01e swap parts thread

[Korben007]

If you opt for the TDI trans from Scotty as I did then the gear ratio for sixth gear will result in your cruise control not functioning in sixth.

HUGE thanks to Ddillenger for taking personal time to go through ECM maps to get a file for cruise control to work in all gears with information provided by Scotty.

Both Ddillenger and I have the working file for cruise control if anyone should need it.

so your cruise control didn't work and now it does?

Also does the Euro S6 Manual file have SAI?

[Audi_Tech]

Cruise control did not work when in sixth gear due to difference in gear ratio but that was resolved with the flash provided by Ddillenger.
Not 100% on the SAI on the Euro file, I would have to check later.

[papadelogan]

This may be new favorite thread.... 6MT RS6 beast... you're getting closer... thanks to all for the contributions!

[rollerton]

I wonder if we should include gear ratios for the various 01E applications? I assume there are a whole bunch, but we would only come across a few different version in the U.S.?
^^EDU / S4 isn't talked about much, I assume it's basically the same as the C5 /2.7t SEDAN trans?
This is all I could find:
00-02 01E S4 2.7T 6-spd: EDU
1st- 3.50
2nd-1.89
3rd- 1.23
4th- 0.97
5th- 0.81
6th- 0.68
final- 4.11

But here's a list that includes TDI ratios and some other good info:
http://workshop-manuals.com/audi/a4_...os_capacities/


Okay, just came across this-- http://www.elektro.com/~audi/01E/-- correct any of it if it is wrong..:

GEARBOX
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6 Spd. 2.2L S6 & 4.2L S6+ :3.50 1.89 1.32 1.03 0.86 0.73 ** CBM **#
6 Spd. RS2 :3.50 1.89 1.32 1.03 0.86 0.71 CRB CGR
6 Spd S6 4.2L & RS4 : 3.50 1.89 1.32 1.03 0.81 0.68 ** CBN
6 Spd A6tt - S4tt :3.50 1.89 1.23 0.97 0.80 0.68 DSY EDU
6 Spd 2.5L TDI : 3.50 1.89 1.32 0.87 0.67 0.56
6 Spd A4 2WD 2001> 1.6L & 2.0L : 3.50 1.89 1.23 0.97 0.73 0.60 FPN FRL 31/8 (3.875) R&P.
6 Spd A4 2001> 2.4L & 3.0L V6 :3.50 1.89 1.32 1.03 0.86 0.73 FRE 35/8 (4.375) R&P
6 Spd A4 2001> 1.8T & 1.9TDI :3.50 1.89 1.23 0.97 0.73 0.58 FPP FTT 37/9 (4.11) R&P.
6 Spd A4 2001> 2.5L TDI : 3.75 2.05 1.32 1.03 0.71 0.56 ENV FTM 35/9 (3.89) R&P.
6 Spd AllRoad V6tt : 3.75 2.05 1.41 1.07 0.86 0.73 See Note
6 Spd AllRoad 2.5L TDI : 3.75 2.05 1.23 0.93 0.73 0.60 See R&P Note
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** both sets of ratios are listed for S6 V8 6 speeds.
**# DGV listed for A8 1994-> Includes oil pump & wide 1st gear
R&P Note: AllRoad has 35/8 (4.375) - other 01E has 37/9 (4.11)
Most A4 gearboxes have different R&P ratios.

This might be helpful to include, ...in case someone's going to low-budget assemble their own swap kit, maybe the trans has no history and you need to go through it >
http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=1721387

Here's the info from Korben's (below) Build thread:

B5 S4 Trans:
1st: 3.500
2nd: 1.889
3rd: 1.231
4th: 0.967
5th: 0.806
6th: 0.684

B5 RS4 Trans:
1st: 3.500
2nd: 1.889
3rd: 1.320
4th: 1.034
5th: 0.806
6th: 0.684

Euro S6:
1st: 3.500
2nd: 1.889
3rd: 1.320
4th: 1.034
5th: 0.857
6th: 0.730

TDI Trans:
1st: 3.50
2nd: 1.89
3rd: 1.23
4th: .87
5th: .68
6th: .56

[Korben007]

^My build thread has several lists of ratios. Including oem s6 manual. The 1.32 3rd is oem s6 and rs4. The s4 and a6 are 1.23

[Scotty@Advanced]

The 1.32 third gear is only found in the 3.0 B6 A4, the RS4, the Euro S8, S6, and the RS2. with the 1.32 third gear you also get a 1.03 fourth gear.
There is also a Euro Diesel (uber Rare) that has a 1.32 third gear but also has a .93 5th gear.

Most every other gas 6 speed was 1.23/.97 3rd-4th.

[Dr. Funk]

This thread is great!

[nomad!]

Great thread!

I'm a little confused with the different spacers in the driveline though, if I wanted to use b5 s4 FW, and clutch with a a6 tdi trans what spacers would I need? Between flywheel - crank and/or the spacer ring between block and trans??

[rollerton]

Great thread!

I'm a little confused with the different spacers in the driveline though, if I wanted to use b5 s4 FW, and clutch with a a6 tdi trans what spacers would I need? Between flywheel - crank and/or the spacer ring between block and trans??

What engine do you have?
As far as I know you: ?Driveline spacer is only used with the auto A6 driveline- and that's just if you can't find a manual trans driveline.
The driveshaft spacer doesn't work with the 4.2 driveshaft. And the driveshaft has nothing to do with the flywheel. B5 S4 flywheel is the same as manual A6 flywheel.
"IF" you're confusing the spacer talk with the one behind the flywheel (because it says you have an S6^ up there) for a 4.2 manual conversion, then: The one people are generally using is from behind the flex plate of an automatic 2.8L A4 (or maybe A6 also?). And again, has nothing to with the driveline. Many people have also had the back of the flywheel clearanced to avoid the spacer- the amount you clearance is very small, and probably the best way to go.
And then there's the bellhousing spacer, yes you need that for all C5 manual conversions.

[nomad!]

What engine do you have?
As far as I know you: ?Driveline spacer is only used with the auto A6 driveline- and that's just if you can't find a manual trans driveline.
The driveshaft spacer doesn't work with the 4.2 driveshaft. And the driveshaft has nothing to do with the flywheel. B5 S4 flywheel is the same as manual A6 flywheel.
"IF" you're confusing the spacer talk with the one behind the flywheel (because it says you have an S6^ up there) for a 4.2 manual conversion, then: The one people are generally using is from behind the flex plate of an automatic 2.8L A4 (or maybe A6 also?). And again, has nothing to with the driveline. Many people have also had the back of the flywheel clearanced to avoid the spacer- the amount you clearance is very small, and probably the best way to go.
And then there's the bellhousing spacer, yes you need that for all C5 manual conversions.

I think I confused the words, I meant different spacers needed in the drivetrain for the swap, English is not my first language ;)
But that clears up a lot, thanks!
I was thinking of going with a lightweight flywheel so I might need a spacer between the crank and flywheel?

[nomad!]

BTW engine is AQJ in the s6.

[Scotty@Advanced]

BTW engine is AQJ in the s6.

Only in Europe. USA S6 engine is BBD. We use a 1.2 mm machined shim that goes in between the flywheel and the crankshaft.

[nomad!]

Only in Europe. USA S6 engine is BBD. We use a 1.2 mm machined shim that goes in between the flywheel and the crankshaft.

Ok, and that is nothing you can find stock on any engine? So the stock flywheel on a m6 s6 is thicker or differently shaped?

[rollerton]

Ok, and that is nothing you can find stock on any engine? So the stock flywheel on a m6 s6 is thicker or differently shaped?

6 speed 4.2/ S6 was oly available in Europe and had a different (single mass) flywheel than the manual trans 01E cars we got. I don't know much about it it, but my guess is that it's a very specific flywheel and very expensive if you can find one. I'd bet that almost any flywheel you find would be half the price.
The "shim" we put behind the flywheel is pretty thick if you use the 2.8L /OEM one~ about 3mm. Scotty ^^ has his own made up and they're much thinner.

[nomad!]

6 speed 4.2/ S6 was oly available in Europe and had a different (single mass) flywheel than the manual trans 01E cars we got. I don't know much about it it, but my guess is that it's a very specific flywheel and very expensive if you can find one. I'd bet that almost any flywheel you find would be half the price.
The "shim" we put behind the flywheel is pretty thick if you use the 2.8L /OEM one~ about 3mm. Scotty ^^ has his own made up and they're much thinner.

Thanks great info again!

[Scotty@Advanced]

6 speed 4.2/ S6 was oly available in Europe and had a different (single mass) flywheel than the manual trans 01E cars we got. I don't know much about it it, but my guess is that it's a very specific flywheel and very expensive if you can find one. I'd bet that almost any flywheel you find would be half the price.
The "shim" we put behind the flywheel is pretty thick if you use the 2.8L /OEM one~ about 3mm. Scotty ^^ has his own made up and they're much thinner.

Genuine S8/S6 flywheels are ~$900.00 or so, but you can use any B5 S4 clutch with it.

[Scotty@Advanced]

Ok, and that is nothing you can find stock on any engine? So the stock flywheel on a m6 s6 is thicker or differently shaped?

Yes but the problem with using the 2.7 or 2.8 flywheels are the balancing pads on the back of the flywheel protrude and hit the engine. The flywheel has to be machined and rebalanced, or moved out slightly.

[nomad!]

Yes but the problem with using the 2.7 or 2.8 flywheels are the balancing pads on the back of the flywheel protrude and hit the engine. The flywheel has to be machined and rebalanced, or moved out slightly.

Ok so thats why the spacer/shim is used for then.. Is that only with stock DM flywheels or also with aftermarket lightweight flywheels?
And a 1.2mm shim is enough?

[Boosted2001]

So to clarify on the trans mounts - use the rubber mounts from the 01E vehicle? I'm swapping 01E from C5 A6 2.7 to C5 A6 4.2, I would assume I would swap in the rubber pucks (between the trans mount and subframe) from the 01E vehicle to get the correct trans height?