Problem with 12mm spacer, Help

**NickyAsixx3sixx** · 06-27-2013 10:29 PM

I bought some wheel spacers off ebay. 12mm.

They came today. They look awesome, great quality

Here's the thing. They do NOT sit flush against the brake hub. I would say there is a 1-2mm gap between the spacer and the hub. When looking closer you can see the "slot" where the brake hub slides into on the spacer simply is not deep enough to accommodate the length of the hub.

Do I shave the spacer hub slot down? Or, do I cut the hub ring down on the car itself?

I emailed the seller, he mentioned they are designed to fit a car with a smaller length hub. I guess all wheel spacers are not created equal in that category.

Has anyone heard of this? Like the slot where the hub slides onto is simply not deep enough for the hub on the car?

**NickyAsixx3sixx** · 06-27-2013 10:36 PM

Upon further research I am pretty sure I do not want to cut the hub ring.. As ENDEE also told me not to do.

I guess I'll try to locate a different spacer.

Unless anyone else has an idea?

**ratherb1** · 06-28-2013 03:45 AM

The spacers you got are probably not the right hub size......... you need I think it's 57.1? Return them shits there not the right hub size

**chris@fifteen52** · 06-28-2013 04:15 AM

Contact Adaptec Speedware they are the best in the business.

**v8a6** · 06-28-2013 05:08 AM

Can you post some pics?

**NickyAsixx3sixx** · 06-28-2013 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by ratherb1

The spacers you got are probably not the right hub size......... you need I think it's 57.1? Return them shits there not the right hub size

They are 57.1.

I will post pics today.

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**v8a6** · 06-28-2013 06:28 AM

I just reread your post, and think I understand what you are talking about. Those spacers will not work. You should get H&R, but confirm they will fit first.

This is posted on the H&R listing on ECS for their 12mm spacers

Fits hub height contour up to 18mm. Inside wheel bevel = 5mm x 45 degrees

http://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-C5_A6-...pacers/ES5109/

**v8a6** · 06-28-2013 06:30 AM

Oh, and try them on the back, if you have a chance. They may work fine their if the hub is a different height

**v8a6** · 06-28-2013 06:34 AM

Actually, before you order them, are you running OEM or aftermarket wheels? Their are different spacers for both, since the bevel is different

The two 10mm options are as listed

DR Series Wheel Spacer - 10mm (1 Pair)
Change your stance with wheel spacers from H&R, for use with most aftermarket wheels
Fits hub height contour up to 12mm. Inside wheel bevel = 4mm x 45 degrees

DR Series Wheel Spacers - 10mm (1 Pair)
VW / Audi wheel spacers made for OEM wheels only
Fits hub height contour up to 15.5mm. Inside wheel bevel = 6.5mm x 45 degrees

I guess the first thing you need to do is measure your hub height

**v8a6** · 06-28-2013 06:39 AM

Also, if you are running aftermarket wheels, are you running hubcentric rings? If so, please take a pic of those too, specifically at the inside beveled edge

**NickyAsixx3sixx** · 06-28-2013 06:43 AM

I am running aftermarket wheels with e CB of 57.1. Miro 111 wheel to be exact.

They dont clear the HP2s, I have to run a spacer, 10mm is not enough. So I went with 12mm.

Like you mentioned, I may need a spacer to accommodate a taller hub. 12 in the back may be too much. I have 10 on there now and that's pushing it, BUT i am still at stock height, as my coilovers will be here next week. I am just doing the final test fitting before it all goes together.

**v8a6** · 06-28-2013 06:54 AM

OK, perfect.

So, just to be clear, the Miro's are 57.1 CB with no hubcentric ring being used? If so, can you take a pic with a quarter beside it, of the center of the wheel hub so we can see the bevel clearly? If you order the H&Rs, the bevel may not fit if it is too big for an aftermarket wheel. I am not sure if the Miros have a small or large bevel (hence the need for the pic)

**NickyAsixx3sixx** · 06-28-2013 03:01 PM

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**Widebody4.2** · 06-28-2013 03:27 PM

Hit it with a hammer

**ratherb1** · 06-28-2013 03:56 PM

If they are 57.1 they should fit .....but idk got a caliper

**v8a6** · 06-28-2013 04:50 PM

Those will not work with your front hubs. There is no safe way around it. Measure the height of the hub so we can check if the H&R will be ok (they are good up to 18mm)

Can you take a pic of the center of the wheels so we can see the bevel?

**NickyAsixx3sixx** · 06-28-2013 05:02 PM

Back of the wheel

Front of the wheel

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**v8a6** · 06-28-2013 05:26 PM

Can you measure the bevel in the first pic? It looks like it may fit. H&R says theirs is 5mmx45 degrees on the 12mm spacers.

**NickyAsixx3sixx** · 06-28-2013 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by v8a6

Can you measure the bevel in the first pic? It looks like it may fit. H&R says theirs is 5mmx45 degrees on the 12mm spacers.

Yes I read that there are two different ones from H&R. One that Fits hub height contour up to 18mm. and one up to 15mm. I may have gotten the ones up to 15mm, which seems right because there looks to be about a 3mm space between the hub and spacer.

**v8a6** · 06-28-2013 05:48 PM

Well, you can try the H&Rs with the 18mm clearance, and hope that everything is aOK. If the bevel on the spacers is too big to allow the wheel to fit flush with the spacers, then you could probably get the wheels machined a couple mm on the bevel. Not ideal, but it would work, as long as the 18mm is enough for the hub. The Miros look like they have a bevel similar to OEM, so you may be OK.

The other option is to go with 15mm H&Rs.

**NickyAsixx3sixx** · 06-28-2013 07:53 PM

NOTE2: For some models, in order to correctly seat the spacer against the rotor, the hub might have to be machined or filled down until the back of the spacer sits flat against the rotor.

Not a good idea, right?

**v8a6** · 06-28-2013 07:55 PM

I personally would not machine the hub. You should be able to make it work without doing that.

Did you happen to get the measurement of the hub height?

**NickyAsixx3sixx** · 06-28-2013 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by v8a6

I personally would not machine the hub. You should be able to make it work without doing that.

Did you happen to get the measurement of the hub height?

The more i think about it, if i shave the hub 2mm then I'm back to where i started with the 10mm spacer that didnt work. So that idea is out the window.

I did not measure it, I will in the morning.

Thank you so much for your help you've been a huge help man!

**v8a6** · 06-28-2013 08:03 PM

No problem. I think in the end you will probably have to take a chance and just order the H&R 12mm, but I'm just trying to get all the data we can before that so that we can (hopefully) determine before ordering if they will work.

**Widebody4.2** · 06-28-2013 08:16 PM

Take a Dremel to the inside of the spacer to it fits and call it a day

**v8a6** · 06-28-2013 08:20 PM

I wouldn't do that. It will weaken the spacer at the hub extension where it is already very thin. I have had the hub extension already crack and break off on a couple spacers.

**NickyAsixx3sixx** · 06-28-2013 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by v8a6

I wouldn't do that. It will weaken the spacer at the hub extension where it is already very thin. I have had the hub extension already crack and break off on a couple spacers.

Yea I thought that too, to dremel it, but that's where it makes the "turn" to make it hub-centric which, like you said, is very thin there.

I know ill have to bite the bullet and buy the H&Rs but i got these for 30 bux, so I cant go wrong with shaving the insides down a little and test to make sure it works before i get the H&Rs, I just wont drive on them.

Can't clear HP2s with Miro 111s on 10mm spacers, needed to go bigger

**v8a6** · 06-28-2013 08:42 PM

I must have too much time on my hands because I just made this diagram to explain all the areas that have to fit

D is the space for the hub. That is what is too short on your current spacer. If you grind it out, the space between B (the bevel) and A ( the top of the space for the hub) will be too thin. You will almost positively crack off the hub extension on the spacer, as I have cracked a few myself without any modifications (now that I think about it, it was probably because I used the impact gun to MAKE the spacers fit on a hub that was too high)

B is also a concern. It is the bevel that will fit into the wheel. Some wheels have a smaller bevel and some larger. As long as the bevel is the same (or bigger) on the wheel then the spacer, you are aOK. If the wheel (or hubcentric wheel ring) has a very small bevel, and the spacer has a big one, then the wheel will not slide all the way down on the spacer.

C is the bevel at the bottom of the spacer. It will likely match the top bevel, unless you have something custom. I guess it doesnt really make a difference what it is in this case, as I dont believe there is any bevel on the car hub (at least there isnt on mine)

**NickyAsixx3sixx** · 06-28-2013 09:28 PM

"it's like you're trying to speak to me"

haha I get it.

It's correct 100%. I just have to find a spacer that has a larger D space.

I am pretty sure the D space on my car is around 18mm, and that's what i need. I'll test around a little more tomorrow, and get back to you.

Again thanks for the help, and the diagram is pimp

**v8a6** · 06-28-2013 09:31 PM

Lol. No problem. Yeah, I figured you already understood it. The diagram was more because I was just bored. Haha

**julex** · 06-29-2013 06:34 AM

If the bevel is too high for your wheels, like was the case with my spacers - factory wheels would fit but TSWs would hang on the bevel, just take a 45deg carbide router bit and cut a deeper bevel on the wheel. I've done this on couple of sets and it looks completely professional once done.