2013 Steering Issues VAG COM Fix?

[jasonE30m3]

This thread literally made me gitty. I can't wait to do this. Downfall is i don't have a Vag Com. I'm going to call my dealer and see if they will do it for me. If not is there anyone in CT that can? I'm technologically inept so i don't want to go in there and mess anything up myself if I buy one.

Thanks $doc I can't wait for my stress level to be significantly reduced.

[thedollardoctor]

This thread literally made me gitty. I can't wait to do this. Downfall is i don't have a Vag Com. I'm going to call my dealer and see if they will do it for me. If not is there anyone in CT that can? I'm technologically inept so i don't want to go in there and mess anything up myself if I buy one.

Thanks $doc I can't wait for my stress level to be significantly reduced.

I have heard Audi Dealerships will not do this due to compliance restrictions, but that other local independent tuning shops will do this as long as you direct them to what needs to be changed. This literally only takes 5-7 minutes to do and is NIGHT AND DAY difference to quality of steering for those with "the slip" steering issue! GET THIS DONE ASAP!!

[afig367]

I have heard Audi Dealerships will not do this due to compliance restrictions, but that other local independent tuning shops will do this as long as you direct them to what needs to be changed. This literally only takes 5-7 minutes to do and is NIGHT AND DAY difference to quality of steering for those with "the slip" steering issue! GET THIS DONE ASAP!!

**Sighs**

I've experienced the slip issue maybe once or twice. I'm one of the guys chronically affected by the notchiness in >90% of my driving. Hopefully Audi comes out with a fix for that soon.

[thedollardoctor]

**Sighs**

I've experienced the slip issue maybe once or twice. I'm one of the guys chronically affected by the notchiness in >90% of my driving. Hopefully Audi comes out with a fix for that soon.

The fix for that issues is a replacement of your steering rack. MANY of us have had new racks installed with NO return of the notchiness issues.

[jasonE30m3]

I have heard Audi Dealerships will not do this due to compliance restrictions, but that other local independent tuning shops will do this as long as you direct them to what needs to be changed. This literally only takes 5-7 minutes to do and is NIGHT AND DAY difference to quality of steering for those with "the slip" steering issue! GET THIS DONE ASAP!!

Thanks for the heads up. My dealer is pretty mod friendly and also a Stasis Dealer so hoping they will be cool with it. If not I'm going to have to start calling around to some local tuners.

[Nuccadoc]

I have heard Audi Dealerships will not do this due to compliance restrictions, but that other local independent tuning shops will do this as long as you direct them to what needs to be changed. This literally only takes 5-7 minutes to do and is NIGHT AND DAY difference to quality of steering for those with "the slip" steering issue! GET THIS DONE ASAP!!

I would like to add that those WITHOUT the slip issue will benefit as well. I have just over 2000 kms now, and just did the change last week, and there is quite a notable difference in the steering. I found the steering OK before, but now it seems bang on! I love the steering feel now! Highway, city, doesn't matter, it's all improved!

[laakness]

Yep, I just did this last night and it is definitely better. Just a more solid feel overall.

[Nuccadoc]

Yep, I just did this last night and it is definitely better. Just a more solid feel overall.

nice color man!

[Animo]

Love this fix. Probably put 220 miles on the car since having auditd0rk hook it up, and it's been smooth sailing ever since. So much so that i went ahead and installed sways without worrying about audi denying me a fix if they EVER come up with one. This is doing me just fine

[thedollardoctor]

Love this fix. Probably put 220 miles on the car since having auditd0rk hook it up, and it's been smooth sailing ever since. So much so that i went ahead and installed sways without worrying about audi denying me a fix if they EVER come up with one. This is doing me just fine

So glad to hear that man! And glad you found someone to help you get it done! I feel the same way, not worried about Audi coming out with a fix, my car's steering is great now!

[boss2k]

I don't have the slip issue , close to 2k miles , should I do the change or wait for slip to happen and then do the VAG change

Why is Audi not releasing the software fix if this setup is fixing the issue

[Franky_d]

Tis "feature" is only enabled on 2013s, which have electric steering. Pre 2013s don't have electric steering.

My tech specialist shocked me the other day by telling that my other car A3 from 2006 has also electrical steering (I checked in ETKA, and yes indeed IT IS electrical)... He actually said that A3s have always had electrical steering (I have not checked for the whole range of years/models)! That was when I was trying to convince him that I love A3 steering so-so much compared to Q5 2013 steering.... That somehow confirmed that the problem is not in me, who can not get used to an "innovative fantastic steering system"

I m seriouly looking forward to checking the vag com fix tonight... Just about 6 months of having terrible steering experience!!!

[thedollardoctor]

I don't have the slip issue , close to 2k miles , should I do the change or wait for slip to happen and then do the VAG change

Why is Audi not releasing the software fix if this setup is fixing the issue

I would make the change pro-actively before you have issues. Others who have done so have reported that the steering is much improved with box unchecked even if they never had the slip issue. Get that stupid "big brother over engineered feature" turned off!

[shipy]

Did this on my 2013 A5 but ended up with this error
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 8K0-907-379.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 BP HW: 8K0 907 379 BP
Component: ESP8 front H09 0090
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 371544
Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
VCID: 881408693B340858E9C

1 Fault Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 -

After resetting fault disappeared

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Did this on my 2013 A5 but ended up with this error
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 8K0-907-379.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 BP HW: 8K0 907 379 BP
Component: ESP8 front H09 0090
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 371544
Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
VCID: 881408693B340858E9C

1 Fault Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 -

After resetting fault disappeared

Oddly I was just about to post this. I had an ABS code and when I turn the Steering Recommendation back on the ABS module code goes away. So turning this off is causing an ABS code. I have not tested to see if it makes the ABS inactive, but it does NOT illuminate a brake warning or ESP warning so I suspect it's a harmless code. Anyone else seeing this?

Cheers,

[zee007]

Oddly I was just about to post this. I had an ABS code and when I turn the Steering Recommendation back on the ABS module code goes away. So turning this off is causing an ABS code. I have not tested to see if it makes the ABS inactive, but it does NOT illuminate a brake warning or ESP warning so I suspect it's a harmless code. Anyone else seeing this?

Cheers,

What car did you code the change on? I've not had code on my 13 allroad and I've been running with this mod for a while now.

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What car did you code the change on? I've not had code on my 13 allroad and I've been running with this mod for a while now.

2013 Allroad

Immediately causes the Incorrectly Coded error in the ABS module. Turn the recommendation function back on and the ABS code goes away immediately.

The ABS code does not cause a MIL and I doubt if hampers functions, but it would be interested to see if you all have the ABS module code as well. If you do not please, if you can, get me a scan of the ABS module so I can see the coding and compare to my Allroad.

Cheers,

[Franky_d]

Unticking the box made a miracle to my 2013 q5 - it finally drives like an AUDI!!! The steering became much firmer, I noticed it on very slow speeds (manuvering from the parking), in city speeds and on highway!

Thanks a million Tomasz and $Doc for your efforts!

I was having a bit of notchy feeling (MMI turning feeling) on cold car between -5 +5 C. Will be checking the next few mornings if that issue has also been fixed by this adaptation.

Why are you guys so sure, that notchy issue is solved by hardware replacement only? I have been getting rid of it by restarting the car after driving few kms (when the steering system was warmed up together with everything else). So there is still hope, notchiness might have go away after this adaptation. Will keep testing it.

[drob23]

Did this on my 2013 A5 but ended up with this error
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 8K0-907-379.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 BP HW: 8K0 907 379 BP
Component: ESP8 front H09 0090
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 371544
Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
VCID: 881408693B340858E9C

1 Fault Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 -

After resetting fault disappeared

You mean re-coding the feature on, or clearing the error code? I'll try this when I get home and see what I get...

[Animo]

So glad to hear that man! And glad you found someone to help you get it done! I feel the same way, not worried about Audi coming out with a fix, my car's steering is great now!

Thanks for the support, Very happy as well. Just keeping fingers crossed it doesn't suddenly fail and make the wheel spin a 360 when im going 90 haha

[drob23]

2013 Allroad

Immediately causes the Incorrectly Coded error in the ABS module. Turn the recommendation function back on and the ABS code goes away immediately.

The ABS code does not cause a MIL and I doubt if hampers functions, but it would be interested to see if you all have the ABS module code as well. If you do not please, if you can, get me a scan of the ABS module so I can see the coding and compare to my Allroad.

Cheers,

Not sure, but I wouldn't want the ABS throwing an error. At the worst, it will mess with DSC and at best you'll have to explain it every time the car is serviced. Furthermore, for an S4 owner, there is the possibility that the sports diff control system might have issues since it piggy backs on DSC for info about yaw, steering etc.

Of course...I guess either might be better than dangerous steering...

[shipy]

You mean re-coding the feature on, or clearing the error code? I'll try this when I get home and see what I get...

Error stays until recoding the feature on and then the fault could be cleared. I didn't want to risk leaving a fault on the abs.

[Nuccadoc]

Oddly I was just about to post this. I had an ABS code and when I turn the Steering Recommendation back on the ABS module code goes away. So turning this off is causing an ABS code. I have not tested to see if it makes the ABS inactive, but it does NOT illuminate a brake warning or ESP warning so I suspect it's a harmless code. Anyone else seeing this?

Cheers,

Had no choice the other day but to drive my car a few km's to work with a major dump of snow. I have the summers on and normally wouldn't do it, but my other car died and the van had a flat and only had a few minutes.

Anyway, when I changed the setting (pre-emptively), I also threw an ABS code. When I went out in the snow, I can tell you without a doubt, ABS STILL works just fine!

[thedollardoctor]

Thanks for the support, Very happy as well. Just keeping fingers crossed it doesn't suddenly fail and make the wheel spin a 360 when im going 90 haha

LOL, if THAT happens, I take NO responsibility for recommending this adjustment :-)

Haven't checked for any fault codes on my car since making the switch. Guess I'll check that out and report back. So far everything appears to be working perfectly overall.

[Animo]

I know that it could have been my mind playing tricks on me. But, today driving home from work I thought i felt the 12 o'clock slip for about 2 miles. I was going to lose my mind, if i hadn't already. Now- full disclosure, it was freezing out (literally) and i always noticed that it was worse when it was very cold. I'll report back with any more of these instances. Hoping it was just my mind playing tricks on me.

[VR2V8]

I know that it could have been my mind playing tricks on me. But, today driving home from work I thought i felt the 12 o'clock slip for about 2 miles. I was going to lose my mind, if i hadn't already. Now- full disclosure, it was freezing out (literally) and i always noticed that it was worse when it was very cold. I'll report back with any more of these instances. Hoping it was just my mind playing tricks on me.

And this is with or without the coding change?

[Animo]

And this is with or without the coding change?

With the Vagcom fix mentioned in this thread

[thedollardoctor]

With the Vagcom fix mentioned in this thread

I'm gonna guess it was either your mind, or ACTUAL tram lining for to road conditions. I've now logged several hundred miles in all conditions with NO SLIP at all. Anything is possible, especially with an Audi, but so far for me, this has been THE fix!

[Nuccadoc]

I'm gonna guess it was either your mind, or ACTUAL tram lining for to road conditions. I've now logged several hundred miles in all conditions with NO SLIP at all. Anything is possible, especially with an Audi, but so far for me, this has been THE fix!

I agree, have felt true tram lining. The true test for me was the other day on a section of highway that is terrible. Before the vag mod, I could feel the steering pulling all over trying to correct the terrible ruts in the road. Although, never experienced the slip, but it was still very disconcerting. However, just went over the road again, and it felt so much better! What a difference!

[tomaszp72]

Did it today on my Q5. No fault codes. Seems better. I would like the steering to be tighter but at least the dead zone at 12 o'clock seems to be better if not gone. Have to do more driving but there seems to be difference. Thanks for finding this.

BTW: Dealer wanted 180$ for making this change and then 61$ every time they have to apply it back after they reprogrammed my ECU for whatever reason. Just got the cable .....

[zee007]

2013 Allroad

Immediately causes the Incorrectly Coded error in the ABS module. Turn the recommendation function back on and the ABS code goes away immediately.

The ABS code does not cause a MIL and I doubt if hampers functions, but it would be interested to see if you all have the ABS module code as well. If you do not please, if you can, get me a scan of the ABS module so I can see the coding and compare to my Allroad.

Cheers,

Alex - just confirming, I don't have the error code. I will pull a scan of the ABS module and let you compare.

Cheers

[spl1011]

I know that it could have been my mind playing tricks on me. But, today driving home from work I thought i felt the 12 o'clock slip for about 2 miles. I was going to lose my mind, if i hadn't already. Now- full disclosure, it was freezing out (literally) and i always noticed that it was worse when it was very cold. I'll report back with any more of these instances. Hoping it was just my mind playing tricks on me.

Im with you there. There still seems to be a hint of notchiness/slip present, albeit I REALLY have to feel for it, but its there. I felt it right after making the change, and also today after work (parked outside, ~50 degrees out). Ive felt a very subtle on center resistance at times but coughed it up to alignment/road/chassis variations.
It seems the DSR amplified these sensations to a perceptible level but with DSR off its very, very muted.
These were both in neighborhood situations with one section being a newly paved section less than a year old.
I've put ~260 miles ever since the bit flip and have an allroad.

Also, I don't have any codes/faults as a result. I will do a scan tonight to see if there was intermittent fault that didn't light a light.

[spl1011]

2013 Allroad

Immediately causes the Incorrectly Coded error in the ABS module. Turn the recommendation function back on and the ABS code goes away immediately.

The ABS code does not cause a MIL and I doubt if hampers functions, but it would be interested to see if you all have the ABS module code as well. If you do not please, if you can, get me a scan of the ABS module so I can see the coding and compare to my Allroad.

Cheers,

here's my ABS module scan (2013 allroad). Hope this is what you requested...

Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 8K0-907-379.clb
Part No SW: 8K9 907 379 M HW: 8K9 907 379 M
Component: ESP8 quattro H09 0100
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 0E1D18
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 4C97D8F4EFB21C788D4

No fault code found.

[zee007]

My ABS module:

Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 8K0-907-379.clb
Part No SW: 8K9 907 379 M HW: 8K9 907 379 M
Component: ESP8 quattro H09 0100
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 0E1D18
Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
VCID: 4C9C6006EFD0369

No fault code found.

[dpreston]

just did this fix to my S4. Drove it 6 hours from Pittsburgh to Philly yesterday and the steering is definitely better. Never had a slip in the 300+ mile trip. Car is now at AWE getting sways/endlinks/alu kruez/Giac stage 2. So pumped for the ride home

[Animo]

Im with you there. There still seems to be a hint of notchiness/slip present, albeit I REALLY have to feel for it, but its there. I felt it right after making the change, and also today after work (parked outside, ~50 degrees out). Ive felt a very subtle on center resistance at times but coughed it up to alignment/road/chassis variations.
It seems the DSR amplified these sensations to a perceptible level but with DSR off its very, very muted.
These were both in neighborhood situations with one section being a newly paved section less than a year old.
I've put ~260 miles ever since the bit flip and have an allroad.

Also, I don't have any codes/faults as a result. I will do a scan tonight to see if there was intermittent fault that didn't light a light.

Sometimes I can't feel it at all but I think I've noticed that on very slanted roads (perpendicular to the vehicle's direction) it does it. Maybe there is something that is trying to correct for the slant in the road that hasn't been turned off?

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My ABS module:

Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 8K0-907-379.clb
Part No SW: 8K9 907 379 M HW: 8K9 907 379 M
Component: ESP8 quattro H09 0100
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 0E1D18
Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
VCID: 4C9C6006EFD0369

No fault code found.

Odd, exactly the same module and coding I have. No idea why I would get the ABS code and you wouldn't with steering recommendation off. Do you have dynamic steering with ADS?

Cheers,

[boss2k]

I am sorry if i am asking this question again but can you please define slip issue ?

Is it with the hands on steering or without it

By doing this setup change can the car throw any error , i read somewhere above that it threw ABS error

Just want to understand whether i have this issue and decide if i need to do this setup for better steering feel. As of now i dont see any issues with my steering.

[zee007]

Odd, exactly the same module and coding I have. No idea why I would get the ABS code and you wouldn't with steering recommendation off. Do you have dynamic steering with ADS?

Cheers,

I have enabled ADS via VAGCOM Alex, so yes, I have the Dynamic steering enabled.

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I have enabled ADS via VAGCOM Alex, so yes, I have the Dynamic steering enabled.

Interesting, so your car did not come with ADS but you added the ADS "Lite" functions. Did you install the physical buttons or do you just use the MMI to control?

So it may be possible to turn of DSR and get rid of the ABS code by implementing ADS Lite functions. Man it's like 3 letter acronym soup...

Thanks,