2013 Steering Issues VAG COM Fix?

[moophone]

Two questions:
1. Is this possible from on onboard hidden menu? I can't seem to access the hidden menu on my b8.5 by pressing and holding car+menu. nothing happens. I assume I'll need to get the VCDS for this
2. Does this tweak work if you dont have the dynamic steering option?

[Oloung1]

Two questions:
1. Is this possible from on onboard hidden menu? I can't seem to access the hidden menu on my b8.5 by pressing and holding car+menu. nothing happens. I assume I'll need to get the VCDS for this
2. Does this tweak work if you dont have the dynamic steering option?

1: just confirmed no, its not accessible via hidden menu, you will need to access via VCDS. http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...1#post11154457
2: it should, i haven't turned off the Driver Steering Recommendation on mine yet.

[SportVier]

Apologies if this was answered already, but has anyone been able to get a dealer service department to disable DSR?

[SportVier]

Anyone? No one?

[SteveYem]

Anyone? No one?

I have not, but I would venture a guess to say they will not do it because VAG considers it to be a "safety feature".

[SportVier]

^Thank you for the ventured guess.

[SteveYem]

^Thank you for the ventured guess.

Sure thing. My guess is based on my wife having recently taken her 2015 GTI in for service and asking them to disable the hill hold assist feature (she really doesn't like it at all) and the VW dealer refused to do it because it is a 'safety feature'. I imagine DSR would be viewed similarly.

[jokingjimmy]

Sure thing. My guess is based on my wife having recently taken her 2015 GTI in for service and asking them to disable the hill hold assist feature (she really doesn't like it at all) and the VW dealer refused to do it because it is a 'safety feature'. I imagine DSR would be viewed similarly.

Yep. If it's in the states it becomes a liability issue. For example, if an owner were to get into a serious accident and the lawyer reviews the service records (which is more likely than not) and sees an alteration to the factory steering controls like disabling DSR, you can bet your bottom dollar that dealer would be in trouble. Again, assumption, but a very likely possibility.

[Moxnix]

Anyone? No one?

Hi there, I have read that there are guys on this thread where their dealers may help in this area but mine wouldn't. Quite the opposite. They reset it to the default after a service and you have to disable it again with Vagcom or maybe a friend that has it. You could ask? I don't think it is a "safety" concern. My car drives much better with it off but it does cause other codes to appear which are more what the techs call "nuisance" codes. Look troubling but mean little.

[Brother Owl]

I have an appointment on the 10th and will be asking about disabling this... we shall see

[HeymyAudi]

Doing this tonight.. Will report how it drives...

[mgiglio]

Been following this thread for a while. I disabled the DSR on my car upon first hearing about it. It made a noticeable difference, wouldn't say vagueness in the steering went away but it was drastically less.

No one has touched upon this but I think tires have a lot to do with this as well. My car came with the conti sport contact 3's. I've never liked continental tires as I've felt they wander on broken pavement and they generally contribute to a vague steering feel. I've since made the switch to Michelin Pilot Sport a/S 3's and the difference is night and day. The steering is much more responsive and I feel none of the wandering/vague steering and drifting issues which I've had before.

I'd be willing to bet that most of us who have this steering issue are riding on Conti Sport Contact 3 tires. Chime in if you have these tires or have had them but since switched.

[Moxnix]

My car has the conti "contact pro" on it and I agree tires make a huge difference but I don't believe the issues most on this thread have are from the tires. For instance my car now drives like a bear with the orig tires, DSR disabled and the occasional lock to lock stunt I pull when the steering feels funky again. Don't forget, 2013 is the first year of the electric steering for the A4 (my dealer told me S4 owner could still specify hydraulic at the time) so I have my money on that. I think the original theme of this thread was "Notchiness" which was the steering wheel itself actually feeling, for lack of a better word "stuck" in the centerline position and requiring more than normal force to move it right or left at which point it would kinda break free and then require a lotta corrections to maintain the vehicle in a straight line. Well at least that was one of the original complaints. If you are happy with the new tires please keep posting about them as I am looking for a new set soon myself and always open to suggestions. I will look into them

[jokingjimmy]

Been following this thread for a while. I disabled the DSR on my car upon first hearing about it. It made a noticeable difference, wouldn't say vagueness in the steering went away but it was drastically less.

No one has touched upon this but I think tires have a lot to do with this as well. My car came with the conti sport contact 3's. I've never liked continental tires as I've felt they wander on broken pavement and they generally contribute to a vague steering feel. I've since made the switch to Michelin Pilot Sport a/S 3's and the difference is night and day. The steering is much more responsive and I feel none of the wandering/vague steering and drifting issues which I've had before.

I'd be willing to bet that most of us who have this steering issue are riding on Conti Sport Contact 3 tires. Chime in if you have these tires or have had them but since switched.

I switched to Mich A/S 3 from the OEM Contis. The ride is quieter, but i would say the performance is not noticeably better or worse. It's about the same. Basically great performance without the noise and wear issues. The Michs last much longer.

That being said I didn't notice any real difference between the Contis and Michs at speed. It's definitely that lame DRS. Hate it. I haven't done the VAG mod yet, for what that is worth. Waiting for access to a VAG-COM.

[Loe]

I switched to Mich A/S 3 from the OEM Contis. The ride is quieter, but i would say the performance is not noticeably better or worse. It's about the same. Basically great performance without the noise and wear issues. The Michs last much longer.

That being said I didn't notice any real difference between the Contis and Michs at speed. It's definitely that lame DRS. Hate it. I haven't done the VAG mod yet, for what that is worth. Waiting for access to a VAG-COM.

I'll be out in west palm beach sunday - weds if you need any VAG-COM assistance.

[pdqgp]

Been following this thread for a while. I disabled the DSR on my car upon first hearing about it. It made a noticeable difference, wouldn't say vagueness in the steering went away but it was drastically less.

No one has touched upon this but I think tires have a lot to do with this as well. My car came with the conti sport contact 3's. I've never liked continental tires as I've felt they wander on broken pavement and they generally contribute to a vague steering feel. I've since made the switch to Michelin Pilot Sport a/S 3's and the difference is night and day. The steering is much more responsive and I feel none of the wandering/vague steering and drifting issues which I've had before.

I'd be willing to bet that most of us who have this steering issue are riding on Conti Sport Contact 3 tires. Chime in if you have these tires or have had them but since switched.

Agree 100%. My PSS's have been on for two weeks now and I am so happy to be back on them. The stock Contis on mine were good up to about 15k then they began getting worn, noisy and overll just never handled like the tires on an S4 should.

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[S4Flyer]

Agree 100%. My PSS's have been on for two weeks now and I am so happy to be back on them. The stock Contis on mine were good up to about 15k then they began getting worn, noisy and overll just never handled like the tires on an S4 should.

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So did you ever disable DSR? I'm at end of life with my Conti's, and disabling DSR made a big difference in steering behavior.

I'm putting PSS's on this weekend, and may turn DSR back on afterward just to test.

Guess it's possible some tires bring out the worst in DSR.

[pdqgp]

So did you ever disable DSR? I'm at end of life with my Conti's, and disabling DSR made a big difference in steering behavior.

I'm putting PSS's on this weekend, and may turn DSR back on afterward just to test.

Guess it's possible some tires bring out the worst in DSR.

No. I've not ever turned it off. Haven't had an issue like many here have. Nothing I've noticed anyway. The problem I had is that I've had Pilots on my previous cars and I miss their handling characteristics

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[mgiglio]

Disabled the DSR a year or so ago and it was a little better. Just brought my car in today for the notchy steering. The issue is definitely worse when the car is cold. I already got a call back from the SA that they couldn't find anything wrong with the car....I asked them to please drive again and take attention to when going from a 2 o clock position back to a 12 position while traveling at speed in a turn. We will see what they say but I have a feeling they're going to think I'm crazy!

[CascadiaQuattro]

Pirellis here and had the same wandering until I disabled DSR. Made a marked difference. Used to feel a bit like an old recirculating ball steering box and now it feels a lot more like my old ur quattro. That certainly doesn't mean the Contis didn't contribute as a better tire will always be an improvement. As an aside I'll go in to VCDS tomorrow and see if the ABS fault some are talking about is present.

[jokingjimmy]

Pirellis here and had the same wandering until I disabled DSR. Made a marked difference. Used to feel a bit like an old recirculating ball steering box and now it feels a lot more like my old ur quattro. That certainly doesn't mean the Contis didn't contribute as a better tire will always be an improvement. As an aside I'll go in to VCDS tomorrow and see if the ABS fault some are talking about is present.

Agreed, it's much better. Keep in mind that disabling the DSR through VAG-COM will throw an ABS "soft code". Nothing you can do about that soft code.

[Loe]

i did this on my 2014, it doesn't have the notchiness at any part of the steering wheel angles, however it would occasionally feel like the steering system was fighting my corrections, even when trying to hold a steady line down a straight road. I actually didn't think anything of it, until I disabled this feature a couple days ago.

The steering gain is smooth, accurate, and weighting feels more natural. I don't have to correct a steering system that wants to self correct going down a straight road. I never noticed how terrible the steering was prior until I did this mod. It's subtle, but to the point of where you do let out a sigh of relief directly after you drive it (like an a-ha! moment).

[Moxnix]

i did this on my 2014, it doesn't have the notchiness at any part of the steering wheel angles, however it would occasionally feel like the steering system was fighting my corrections, even when trying to hold a steady line down a straight road. I actually didn't think anything of it, until I disabled this feature a couple days ago.

The steering gain is smooth, accurate, and weighting feels more natural. I don't have to correct a steering system that wants to self correct going down a straight road. I never noticed how terrible the steering was prior until I did this mod. It's subtle, but to the point of where you do let out a sigh of relief directly after you drive it (like an a-ha! moment).

Had the same issue with it not keeping a straight line and constant correction to centerline. The DSR definetly helped but after long highway driving some behaviour would return. Thats when I pullover, turn the wheel lock to lock and i am back in business. Good luck to you and lets hope the DSR disable does the trick.

[Danny2323]

I wanted to bump this to the top, just in case there's anyone that hasn't tried the DSR delete yet. If you're like me, you find the random hunting and vague steering horrible on your S4. There are particular uneven sections in my daily drive, and my car would shoot in random directions on it's own.

I eliminated the DSR via VAG-COM this past weekend. What an amazing change! I immediately set out to the uneven sections of road to test it out. Dead straight. The steering has a very slight heavier feeling, and is much more stable at highway speeds. No vague feeling, and no random pulling to either side. It's still electric steering, so it doesn't have the immediate feedback of a good hydraulic system (I'm coming from an Evo IX), but it's quite a bit better than before.

Eliminating the DSR, combined with the CR-15 and AK, has given me the steering I've been looking for. I updated each incrementally. First the CR-15, then DSR delete, then the AK. Each mod had a subtle benefit upon the previous mod, and combined, the steering is vastly improved over stock.

If you dislike the vague steering, and haven't tried unchecking the stupid DSR, you should give it a try. Like everyone else, I got the ABS module fault code. It doesn't appear to cause any problems for my car.

[S4Flyer]

Posting for posterity, here. I had noticed the tramline effect ever since taking delivery of my car. I had always thought it was road surface imperfections causing the wheel to turn sharply at time, and after reading this thread I noticed that I'd become accustomed to fighting the wheel most of the time. Kinda funny, too, because when most people would post about how disconnected the electric steering feels to them, I always though it provided too much feedback. Turns out the "feedback" was really just the DSR acting out.

As I'm just about to swap out the factory Contis for Mich PSS's, I disabled DSR last night. Wow. Night and day. The car doesn't fight me anymore, but to be honest, I also notice that I have to pay closer attention to where I'm going. I think I've also become accustomed to the marginal benefits the system provides. I'm gonna leave it off though.

The only thing I fight now is traffic. Thanks for posting, can't believe I dealt with this for over a year.

[SVG]

Disabled DSR yesterday and it made a very noticeable difference. Steering feels much better now.

[tarantola_it]

I have a 2012 Audi A5 Coupè S-Line, 177cv with ADS, this week with rain and cold the problem steering looks a lot more.
I run all of AUDI updates , dieselgate,sterring......
I wanted to disable the DSR, reading all the pages of foum I did not understand some things ....
1 ...> I need some security code?
2 ...> with the Abs anomaly I will have some kind of impact on my safety?
3 ...> I can reactivate the DSR without historicity of anomalies or defects?

Thanks so much

[tarantola_it]

It is four days that it rains, last night I disabled the DSR, the problem has improved slightly, but it is always there ..... I think it is the poor adhesion of the tire that creates this strange behavior

[tarantola_it]

Hi, dear friends....
can anyone tell me what is the latest software and where i can search on VCDS the release?
In my car i have:
ddress 44: Steering Assist (J500)
Labels: 8K0-909-144.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 909 144 F
HW: 8K0 909 144 B
Component: RCEPS H36 0507 Revision: 00001000 Serial number: 0023148471

ps. i have change the wheel position and use ADS Confort setting.... the situation has improved significantly......
Best Regards

[razvanfcs]

Hello,
Please help me, I have this error in VCDS (B2000 49 [137] Internal electronic failure) and on display the message > Steering sistem fault. You can continue to drive.

[razvanfcs]

My car is Audi A4, 2.0 TDI, 100kW, 2012,

[KRp220]

sorry in advance for the long post... can't get the format of the text to read any closer together...
anyway, below is a scan of what i think is the most pertinent parts of a VagCom scan that was done last night.

My steering feels floaty and i feel like the car tramlines on teh highway and is uneasy over crowed and uneven roads. After reading the majority of this thread and severl others, i contacted a local member with vagcom to disable DSR. this scan was done AFTER we disabled it but the car feels 95% the same. from what i can see, it looks like i have the newest steering rack but i could be wrong. i contacted my local audi dealership and asked about the 48K8 update and they had no idea what i was talking about.

looking for any sort of insight you guys can provide.
build date: 2/7/2013
lowered on KW HAS
Mich PSS 255/35/19 19x8.5 et 30
aligned within the last 6 weeks

thanks!

VIN: WAUDGAFL1DA201214 Mileage: 44140km-27427miles



01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000

03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010

04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000

05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000

08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000

09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000

15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000

16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000

17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000

19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010

22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000

36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000

42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000

44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000

46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000

52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000

53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000

56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000

5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010

62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000

6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000

72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000

A9-Struct. Borne Sound -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100


ddress 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 8K0-907-379-V1.clb

Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 CK HW: 8K0 907 379 CK

Component: ESP8 quattro H09 0100

Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------

Coding: 281D1A

Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000

VCID: 04078C04873C6F61CD-8050



1 Fault Found:

01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded

000 - -

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 01100000

Fault Priority: 3

Fault Frequency: 1

Reset counter: 100

Mileage: 44147 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2017.05.17

Time: 18:41:34



Freeze Frame:

Hex Value: 0x00C0

Hex Value: 0x0022

Hex Value: 0x1215

Hex Value: 0x1095

Hex Value: 0x0000



Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: 8T0-907-468.clb

Part No SW: 8R0 907 468 N HW: 8R0 907 468 C

Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H11 0055

Revision: 1Y060027 Serial number: 2741Y13122004F

Coding: 80C303FF00

Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000

VCID: 4A9B623CE598791177-801E



Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 915 181 HW: 8T0 915 181

Component: J367-BDMHella H03 8041

Serial number: 4207949001



1 Fault Found:

03619 - Control Module for Structural Accoustics

004 - No Signal/Communication

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 01100100

Fault Priority: 2

Fault Frequency: 1

Reset counter: 75

Mileage: 42910 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2017.05.10

Time: 10:51:39



Freeze Frame:

Bin. Bits: 11111

Voltage: 14.50 V

Count: 6

Bin. Bits: 00000

Time: 25.40 s

Address 44: Steering Assist (J500) Labels: 8K0-909-144.clb

Part No SW: 8K0 909 144 F HW: 8K0 909 144 B

Component: RCEPS H37 0507

Revision: 00001000 Serial number: 0013185452

Coding: 000000010001

Shop #: WSC 06324 000 00000

ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPSAU48X 008014

ROD: EV_RCEPSAU48X_008.rod

VCID: 34671CC49F1C1FE13D-8060



No fault code found.

[GTSJeff]

I would like to bump this thread to add my experiences.

1. The module only accepts the coding with the engine off but ignition on. Perhaps the OP could include this in the first post, because I read the whole thread to figure this out!!!
2. It will throw a silent ABS fault code. ABS still works. I tested it on a patch of ice outside my house.
3. It does indeed improve drivability. In my case, a 2014 S4 without dynamic steering, no issues with notchy steering or slip, it made the car steer more steadily at highway speeds. No more constant corrections to keep the car going the right way. I don’t think it’s an all new car, but it does make it better.
4. One really nice and unexpected benefit, is that now when I slam on the brakes hard, the car tracks straight. Before, whenever I braked hard, the car felt like it wanted to change directions, as if the tail was totally unweighted.

All in all, worthwhile and takes 2 seconds.

[doughboy17]

Could someone that has a 2014 - 2016 S4 without dynamic steering but has had the proper Audi ECM flash to improve this issue, please comment whether disabling DSR improved the steering. I purchased a CPO 2014 S4 in late June so anticipate it had all of the applicable software updates. Although I cannot say I have yet had issues with notchy steering or slip, my S4 is harder to keep going in a straight line on the highway than my A4. I just drove the A4 on a longer highway trip last week and was reminded how easy it is to track straight.

[GTSJeff]

Could someone that has a 2014 - 2016 S4 without dynamic steering but has had the proper Audi ECM flash to improve this issue, please comment whether disabling DSR improved the steering. I purchased a CPO 2014 S4 in late June so anticipate it had all of the applicable software updates. Although I cannot say I have yet had issues with notchy steering or slip, my S4 is harder to keep going in a straight line on the highway than my A4. I just drove the A4 on a longer highway trip last week and was reminded how easy it is to track straight.

Why don't you just take the 2 seconds to try the coding? It's easy enough to reverse too

[bberg22]

This helped my steering issues immensely. So glad I found this post.

As others have said, make sure the engine is not on when you start VCDS otherwise it will not take the coding.

[jaxkewl]

Just offering my experience. 2014 B8.5 S4 6sp, no 48K4, or VAGCOM mods. I was experiencing the notch, the 12 o'clock slip, whatever you call it. I experienced it consistently at cold temps (~32F) with my front tires inflated to about 45psi. each. Dropped the pressure of the fronts down to 36psi with 24 degF temp and I could not feel the slip at all. I left my rears alone at 38psi. We'll see if the slip/notch comes back.

[theswoleguy]

Just offering my experience. 2014 B8.5 S4 6sp, no 48K4, or VAGCOM mods. I was experiencing the notch, the 12 o'clock slip, whatever you call it. I experienced it consistently at cold temps (~32F) with my front tires inflated to about 45psi. each. Dropped the pressure of the fronts down to 36psi with 24 degF temp and I could not feel the slip at all. I left my rears alone at 38psi. We'll see if the slip/notch comes back.

Mines the same way, sub roughly 30° and it'll do it sometimes. Ironically if I restart the car after driving a few minutes it goes away. The coding helped a lot but it still does happen occasionally.

I too have noticed though adjusting the air pressure also seems to fix it.

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[doughboy17]

Just offering my experience. 2014 B8.5 S4 6sp, no 48K4, or VAGCOM mods. I was experiencing the notch, the 12 o'clock slip, whatever you call it. I experienced it consistently at cold temps (~32F) with my front tires inflated to about 45psi. each. Dropped the pressure of the fronts down to 36psi with 24 degF temp and I could not feel the slip at all. I left my rears alone at 38psi. We'll see if the slip/notch comes back.

Jeez, do you have the stock 19" wheels and tires? If so, 45psi is much higher than recommended. I believe a load of 3 people is recommended at 39psi Front and 33psi Rear.

[jaxkewl]

Jeez, do you have the stock 19" wheels and tires? If so, 45psi is much higher than recommended. I believe a load of 3 people is recommended at 39psi Front and 33psi Rear.

yes stock 19" with conti all season