Front Parking Distance Control Retrofit for Facelift 2013 B8.5

[Peeet]

You shouldn't have to. The black rubber gaskets that go around the sensors should hide the drilled out area.

Can you, or some one else, upload some detail pictures, (grill and bumper) from the retrofit holes without sensors and with the sensors.


I found those on a german forum:


Above with a special tool drill
Below with a normal drill, looks bad



Those, normal dril, without rubber o-ring bumper gaskets





Special drill tool, I find only the tool drill in expensive complete set -> http://www.carsystems.pl/assembly-to...14a,id668.html



Thanks Peeet

OEM PDC+ front pictures

[abacon09]

Can you, or some one else, upload some detail pictures, (grill and bumper) from the retrofit holes without sensors and with the sensors.


I found those on a german forum:


Above with a special tool drill
Below with a normal drill, looks bad



Special drill tool, I find only the tool drill in expensive complete set -> http://www.carsystems.pl/assembly-to...14a,id668.html



Thanks Peat

I'm away from the car for a couple weeks so I don't have pictures. The holes drilled with a regular step bit don't look as clean as the factory installed ones that have the bevelled edge. But it's hard to notice when the install is complete unless you constantly look at the seniors from 6 inches away. You'd also have to use some touch up paint on the beveled edge I would assume. I'm happy with how the regular step drill bit turned out.

[Peeet]

I found this link, about the special VAG drill tool, on the German forum MotorTalk, subforum A4-B8

-> http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/pdc-v...l#post40003318




Peeet

[13ttaz]

Ok, lets see some photos, . . . and even better some video of the MMI display screen, of successful front PDC installation retrofits to motivate the many of us sitting on the sidelines to get into the game.

[Hritzee]

Sorry to just butt in here, but I'm finding it hard to get a straight up answer by searching. I have a 2013 A4 without Nav. I have the Symphony concert stereo. I am looking at options for front and rear cameras, currently I have no parking detection, camera or distance detection. Is there a way to add:
Front Camera
Rear Camera
Front Distance Detection (+ graphical)
Rear Distance Detection (+ graphical)

... ? (even if it means swapping in stock parts and coding).

Thanks

[niner]

Can someone help me to find where the front buzzer should mount to? I took off the trim panel under the steering wheel, but still couldn't find it.

I saw reply #139, but I just can't find the mounting spot. Stupid me :-(

[meb]

Can someone help me to find where the front buzzer should mount to? I took off the trim panel under the steering wheel, but still couldn't find it.

I saw reply #139, but I just can't find the mounting spot. Stupid me :-(

Not that it's terribly helpful, but this is from the manual:



The top right is your steering wheel / stalk, so the image is taken looking in from the drivers side door, but at a weird angle. There's a painted metal structural element that the speaker mounts to. You can't see it, but you should be able to find the mounting points if you contort your hands. It's not fun. I have one or two of those plastic rivets lost forever.. might have been better off with some 3M VHB tape.

[niner]

Thanks meb!

I have that picture. But I have no frame of reference. Your description actually helps a great deal.

[niner]

meb, can you give me some help on coding?
I saw this earlier in the thread:

The last piece is coding - once you connect module 10 and have everything plugged in, you need to use VCDS.
1. CAN Gateway module "Installation List" and let it know you have module 10 connected.
2. Module 09 - Cent Elect - change byte 35 to 00 to disable parking control on that module.
3. Module 6C - update to 1020006 to enable graphical display of parking sensors (YMMV, mine started at 1000006).

But when I did that, I got beeps when I put the car on reverse, and blinking light on the "park" button. I have to push the button to stop it. On top of that, I lost my rear view camera. By the way, I haven't hooked up the front sensor yet, but I disabled it in module 10.

Thanks!

[meb]

But when I did that, I got beeps when I put the car on reverse, and blinking light on the "park" button. I have to push the button to stop it. On top of that, I lost my rear view camera. By the way, I haven't hooked up the front sensor yet, but I disabled it in module 10.

I think your problem is not having the front harness connected. Even though you can code the module as a rear only or front + rear, for whatever reason the module will still generate an error and handicap your parking sensor system unless all sensors are connected & working. Check for error codes with VAG COM and post them here - you can try resetting it but I don't think you'll be able to keep them clear. I had the same issue when I was first testing this out with different combinations of central elect and parking sensor modules. I wasn't positive I would get things to work so before I defaced my bumper I ran the front harness cables up to the front and actually had the pile of sensors under the passenger seat for a week. Fronts beeped like crazy but the rear camera and rear sensors worked fine.

Here's some more information on it: http://audiforum.us/threads/aps-modu...features.7929/ - with some discussion about tricking the module to work w/o sensors (I'd avoid that).

[niner]

Thanks meb! I'll try to hook up the front sensor (at least temporary) to see if I can get the rear sensor and camera back to work.

[kwbdc]

Are there any pictures of front and rear sensors? A video of the mmi would be also greatly appreciated.

[RAMONA5]

meb, can you give me some help on coding?
I saw this earlier in the thread:

The last piece is coding - once you connect module 10 and have everything plugged in, you need to use VCDS.
1. CAN Gateway module "Installation List" and let it know you have module 10 connected.
2. Module 09 - Cent Elect - change byte 35 to 00 to disable parking control on that module.
3. Module 6C - update to 1020006 to enable graphical display of parking sensors (YMMV, mine started at 1000006).

But when I did that, I got beeps when I put the car on reverse, and blinking light on the "park" button. I have to push the button to stop it. On top of that, I lost my rear view camera. By the way, I haven't hooked up the front sensor yet, but I disabled it in module 10.

Thanks!

hello niner, you have front sensors?
Module 09 - Cent Elect - change byte 35 to 34, ok, sensors for front and rear camera.

[niner]

hello niner, you have front sensors?
Module 09 - Cent Elect - change byte 35 to 34, ok, sensors for front and rear camera.

That might be my problem. I haven't installed my front sensors yet. I need to connect the front sensors, at least temporary, to see if rear sensors work like it should be.

Thanks for suggestion.

[Peeet]

I did the complete Face lift PDC front retrofit, with pre-facelift module 10 Park-Assist.
(There was already PDC on the back, from the BCM, I changed that also to 10 Park-Assist)

I use the special VAS 6614 tool from my Audi dealer (thanks :) ), the holes (18,1 mm) are perfect.

















































BCM 09 coding without PDC face-lift, Byte 35 (HEX00).




Canbus Installation list, add 10-Park-Assist (from pre-facelift)




Coding Module 10 Park-Assit
A5 Sportback 2013 lefthanddrive, No trailer, H6 Transmission

Byte 0


Byte 1


Byte 2



Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446) Labels: 8K0-919-475.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 919 475 AA HW: 8P0 919 475 N
Component: PARKHILFE 8K H01 0081
Revision: 11001001 Serial number: 12561201702663
Coding: 100007
Shop #: WSC 06335 123 12345
VCID: 78FF0E6BCB2690DEAC3-802D

No fault code found.









You can find a complet DIY in my retrofit topic, on the Dutch Audi forum.

All the work I discribe, I make the wiring complete by my self.
Also in the topic, the research, ElsaWin instructions, Ekta partnumbers, the Electric drawings, the VCDS coding etc

Around 165 pictures of all the work

Excel partlist with all partnumbers
Excel list with al connectors and pin number position


DIY -> http://www.audiforum.nl/forum/audifo...ml#post1668764


Peeet


Thanks, meb and the others guys for sharring and advice

[Peeet]

A video of the mmi would be also greatly appreciated.

The distance measurement of the PDC sensors is in 9 steps.
You can see it in this video, from the back sensors.



Peeet

[kwbdc]

The distance measurement of the PDC sensors is in 9 steps.
You can see it in this video, from the back sensors.



Peeet

Great writeup Peeet! Wondering if you can help with the wiring for can hi and can low. I can't read Dutch but if you could post the pics of where those 2 wires go it would be a great help!

[Peeet]

Great writeup Peeet! Wondering if you can help with the wiring for can hi and can low. I can't read Dutch but if you could post the pics of where those 2 wires go it would be a great help!

Off course

In the pre-face-lift (MY2007 until 2011) PDC drawings in #post 155 in this topic, you can see that :
- From the connector T16E pin 6, wire goes to T46S CAN 2 High
- From the connector T16E pin 15, wire goes to T46S CAN 2 Low

See drawings in this topic, Post # 155 -> http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...1#post10582009



In my 6-2013 face-lift A5 sportback, the T46S CAN 2 High and CAN 2 Low was already in use.
Also position 1-2-3-4-5-6-21-22-23 are used in my A5.
No problem, so i use position CAN 7 High and CAN 7 Low
(From positon 1 to 8 you can use for the PDC can wiring)

The T46S Canbus connector is on the passenger side, A


Remove the complete box with the 3:
This is a picture from the drivers side, but is the same way

Pull the clip in, with a small screwdriver, see the Arrow on the picture.
And pull the complete box up.

Remove the Canbus connector:
There is below a magenta color clip, slide this clip (2) from the left side to the right side.

Now you can set the clip (1) free, push out (3)
When the clip (1) is free, push the connector

Pul the lever to remove, the brouwn house.



In the middle, inside the connector, you find another mangenta color clip, around 2cm.
Remove this mangenta clip, to pull it out with à small nose pliers.


On the back, on the black house of the connector there are 2 little clips.
See the red arrow, (on both sides, on the picture you see only 1 side)
Pull those both a little up.
Now you can remove the white color pin connector, slide to the outside of the house from the connector.


Numbers are on this block from 1High to -> 23High and from 1Low to -> 23Low



Use the pins 000 919 009E for the pin low and pin high



Peeet

[kwbdc]

Thanks so much, will give that a try!

[kwbdc]

Ok thanks for all the Detail. Got things hooked up but coding isn't a working. Got a pre facelift B8 and module 10 won't connect. Coding 9 on mine has only 26 bytes.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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[Peeet]

Ok thanks for all the Detail. Got things hooked up but coding isn't a working.


A - Coding 9 on mine has only 26 bytes.

B - Got a pre facelift B8 and module 10 won't connect.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

A
You told, you have a pre-face-lift B8.
So if that is correct, you have nothing to do in the 09.
There are no Byte & Bits from PDC in the 09, in a pre-facelift, so there is no Byte 35,
Thats only in a face-lift B8,5


B
You have to add, in the 19 CAN installation list, the module 10 park-assit to the 19 canbus system.
When that not works, i think you make a mistake with the wiring.

So check the canbus wiring from module 10 connector T16e to the T46s canbus connector

- T16e pin 6 CAN high goes to T46s 2h
- T16e pin 15 CAN low goes to T46s 2L
When 2h and 2l already is in use, you use for instants 7h and 7l

See the drawing in post #155 in this topic > http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...1#post10582009


Peeet

[kwbdc]

Thanks Peeet. We have all the wires hooked up correctly I believe. Black to ground, red to switched ignition and the appropriate wires to can hi and low. we had them the other way and it threw 16 fault codes so it appears that is the only way it can be hooked up. Are you saying from this:
So check the canbus wiring from module 10 connector T16e to the T46s canbus connector

- T16e pin 6 CAN high goes to T46s 2h
- T16e pin 15 CAN low goes to T46s 2L
When 2h and 2l already is in use, you use for instants 7h and 7l

That the canbus hi and low have to be connected to a specific location? Also is there a module 10 connector? From the diagram I'm not really seeing it, might be the different language. Much appreciated for your help!

[AUDIMAN33]

Thats a whole lot of work for something so little. Cant we just buy a 2015 bumper with the holes already and they do all the wiring?

[Peeet]

Thanks Peeet.
We have all the wires hooked up correctly I believe.
Black to ground, red to switched ignition and the appropriate wires to can hi and low.
we had them the other way and it threw 16 fault codes so it appears that is the only way it can be hooked up.

Are you saying from this:
So check the canbus wiring from module 10 connector T16e to the T46s canbus connector

- T16e pin 6 CAN high goes to T46s 2h
- T16e pin 15 CAN low goes to T46s 2L
When 2h and 2l already is in use, you use for instants 7h and 7l

That the canbus hi and low have to be connected to a specific location?
Also is there a module 10 connector?
From the diagram I'm not really seeing it, might be . the different language

Much appreciated for your help!

You say, ''I believe'', you have to be sure !
Where the wiring come from ?, Kufateq/Audi, they also can make mistakes !
Check and double check, the wiring between T16e and the T46s
Also check the pin numbers on the T16e side.
You can check the wires with a ohm multiemeter.

The canbus hi & low, can use pin in the T46s, from pin 1 tot 8.
But hig & low must have to be the same number,
For instants when you use pin 7 for high, than also low must go in pin 7 low

So first of all, check the wiring and pin numbers !
Than scan for fault codes on 19 CAN, remove the fault codes
Then you can try it again, to add the module 10 to the installation list of the canbus system.

The different language of the diagram is no problem,
look at the numbers :) . Dutch numbers are the same as US numbers :)

Peeet

[Peeet]

Thats a whole lot of work for something so little.
Cant we just buy a 2015 bumper with the holes already and they do all the wiring?

Off course, but now it cost my only €100
And than I think €1200, without the painting cost for the new bumper :)

Peeet

[kwbdc]

You say, ''I believe'', you have to be sure !
Where the wiring come from ?, Kufateq/Audi, they also can make mistakes !
Check and double check, the wiring between T16e and the T46s
Also check the pin numbers on the T16e side.
You can check the wires with a ohm multiemeter.

The canbus hi & low, can use every pin in the T46s, from pin 1 tot 23.
But hig & low must have to be the same number,
For instants when you use pin 11 for high, than also low must go in pin 11 low

So first of all, check the wiring and pin numbers !
Than scan for fault codes on 19 CAN, remove the fault codes
Then you can try it again, to add the module 10 to the installation list of the canbus system.

The different language of the diagram is no problem,
look at the numbers :) . Dutch numbers are the same as US numbers :)

Peeet

The Kit is Kufateq.

[Peeet]

The Kit is Kufateq.

OK also, they can make a mistake, so check the wiring and pins.
CAN high & CAN low, from T16e to T46s, and power and ground.



Brouwn connector = T16e
Black connector = T12g
Brouwn connector = T12e

Brouwn connector fe-male = T16v (only need for facelift adapter to pre-facelift)


T16e


T12g


T12e



T16v Brouwn connector fe-male (only need for facelift adapter to pre-facelift)


Rear sensors Adapter, T16v to T12g, from face-lift to pre-facelift PDC with Module 10 Park-Assist.



Peeet

[kwbdc]

Thanks Peeet!. I have both front and rear pdc


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[Peeet]

Thanks Peeet!. I have both front and rear pdc


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OK, I Edit the post, with T12e connector and pin functions, (front side).



Did you choose NO in VCDS, in the installation list, to add the module 10 Park-assist to the Canbus system ?

Peeet

[kwbdc]

Yes tried yes and no and no connection


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[Peeet]

Yes tried yes and no and no connection


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NO, will be the way, to add.

Check the wires, and try it again.


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[kwbdc]

So looking at the instructions: http://carxtras.lt/stock/PDC_A4_A5.pdf is it possible that coding isn't done via VAG-Com?

[Peeet]

So looking at the instructions: http://carxtras.lt/stock/PDC_A4_A5.pdf is it possible that coding isn't done via VAG-Com?

No way,

I did it with VCDS 12.12 on my own face-lift A5 Sportback from june 2013.
And yesterday, I did on a pre-facelift A5 coupe, from jan 2009.
And many other people, over the world

Both cars have the 8K0 919 475 AA module 10 Park-Assist


See coding instructions in post from topic -> http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...1#post10917032

- Check the wiring to the canbus, with a ohm multiemeter
- Try to test the module 10-park assist in diffrent car, maby something wrong module 10-park assist is

Peeet

[kwbdc]

Thanks! Will do


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[kwbdc]

Hey Peeet. Wired up to open CAN HI/LOW 19 and still can't get module 10 to connect. I press the parking button and it flashes and beeps but no connection. We've tried flipping the wires too but for some odd reason it won't connect. Possible it's a bad module?

[Franky_d]

So I recently completed the parking system upgrade for a B8.5 with the help of meb and just wanted to provide some feedback based upon my install. I ended up buying two sets of harnesses from both carsystems.pl and kufatec. I bought the front upgrade package from carsystems.pl and was overall happy with the hardware components of the kit. I had the company paint the sensors for an extra 30 euros and they came out good. The brackets look like the second set of pictures in Peeet’s post above. They came with double sided tape and stuck quite well.

The harness provided by car systems likely would have worked but in order to make it work on a B8.5 you would need to buy there full 8 sensor kit. The 4 sensor kit did not have a wiring harnesses for the canbus wires, the power, or the rear buzzer that all connect to the 16 pin connector at the trunk terminal. And you would still need the small cable from kufatec (39880) to connect the rear sensors. You could make your own cable for this one but I was unable to source one of the connectors in a timely manner to do so. I did however modify the 39880 cable like meb did to pass through the side assist data.

The carsystems harnesses is designed to go up the drivers side of the car vice the passenger side like the kufatec harnesses. During installation I decided to use the kufatec harnesses because I thought getting it through the forward firewall was easier on the passenger side compared with the drivers side. Additionally, the wires for the front button and buzzer were longer and easier to work with on the Kufatec harness. I did one thing different from meb’s install. I ran the power to the trunk from the driver side fuse blocks down the drivers side and to the trunk since I already had pulled the trim up for possibly installing the car systems harnesses. I didn’t need to run power to the passenger fuse block and put another fuse there.

With the help of meb for coding using VCDS I was able to get the project done. It took two full days. I ended up spending close to $750 because of the extra harnesses, but I was able to get the project done when I had the time available and didn’t need to order extra parts. You could do the project by only ordering the carsystems 8 sensor full upgrade for about 450 euros plus shipping, and painting if you wanted. You could then make the small rear harnesses or just buy a Kufatec one. The other route is to order all the Kufatec harnesses and order all the other hardware separate like meb did. I ordered my Kufatec harnesses from www.bks-tuning.com in Germany so I didn’t have to wait the month to order the Kufatec harnesses from the US distributor. The price, even with shipping was still reasonable using this route.

Overall a challenging project, but one I am very glad I completed.

Hi,

I am still on the planning stage. Deciding between the two option (both coming up to 450 eur):
a) buying wiring only from kufatec and the rest of ebay
b) buying everything from carsystems.pl

But in my case, i need full set (front+back) for retrofit, i have not got any parking sensors in the car yet.

I am tempting to take second option if there is no quality compromise. Can you please confirm, since you had both for comparison, that there is no quality issues in wire harnesses from carsystems compared to kufatec?

You wrote that carsystems.pl harnesss is designed to go along driver's side. You can still choose to put it along passenger's side, can't you?
I noticed carsystems.pl have sets for LHD and RHD. I will check if one of their sets can be used to go along passenger's side.

In case of carsystems harness, is it designed to be connected to CAN or 12+ around the dashboard (fuse locations on the sides), or all connections can be done in the trunk? I've just got a towbar installed and all where connected in the trunk.

Would you happen to have a copy of the installation instructions from carsystems.pl? That would probably answer most of my questions.

With regard to sensor brackets, are they still holding? Is the double sided tape holding well, or would it be better with some glue or hot gun?

Thank you! :)

[Franky_d]

I did the complete Face lift PDC front retrofit, with pre-facelift module 10 Park-Assist.
(There was already PDC on the back, from the BCM, I changed that also to 10 Park-Assist)

I use the special VAS 6614 tool from my Audi dealer (thanks :) ), the holes (18,1 mm) are perfect.







Peeet


Thanks, meb and the others guys for sharring and advice

Hi Peeet,

Thank you a very detailed and helpful write up!

What did you use from the set of tools in picture 1. The puncher only? Or also those brackets (green, blue, silver)? You probably need those brackets when punching holes in case you have already sensor holders in the bumper?

Are those brackets maybe also helpful when gluing sensor holder to bumper?

What did you use to glue the sensor holders to the bumper? There is something black around the holders (picture 2 above).

I am considering between two options: a) kufatec harnesses + rest off ebay and b) carsystems.pl full set - both options price-wise would be same, but second one is more convenient ordering-wise. Would you recommend wiring of any of these as much better quality than the other?

Thank you,
Franky

[Peeet]

Hi Peeet,

Thank you a very detailed and helpful write up!

What did you use from the set of tools in picture 1. The puncher only? Or also those brackets (green, blue, silver)? You probably need those brackets when punching holes in case you have already sensor holders in the bumper?

Are those brackets maybe also helpful when gluing sensor holder to bumper?

What did you use to glue the sensor holders to the bumper? There is something black around the holders (picture 2 above).

I am considering between two options: a) kufatec harnesses + rest off ebay and b) carsystems.pl full set - both options price-wise would be same, but second one is more convenient ordering-wise. Would you recommend wiring of any of these as much better quality than the other?

Thank you,
Franky

I use the Scoda PDC holders, partnumber 3T0 919 485 or 5J9 919 492 C
Because Audi did not sold them.




They have double-sided tape on it, I did some extra kit around it, just for sure.
I use the Pattex powerfix polymer (black) -> http://www.pattex.nl/dhz/producten/m...power-fix.html





I use only the puncher, from the VAS tools, for make the holes.

The complete wiring, I make it all by my self.
So I can't give you advice about Kufateq or Carsystems


Peeet

[abacon09]

Hi,

I am still on the planning stage. Deciding between the two option (both coming up to 450 eur):
a) buying wiring only from kufatec and the rest of ebay
b) buying everything from carsystems.pl

But in my case, i need full set (front+back) for retrofit, i have not got any parking sensors in the car yet.

I am tempting to take second option if there is no quality compromise. Can you please confirm, since you had both for comparison, that there is no quality issues in wire harnesses from carsystems compared to kufatec?

You wrote that carsystems.pl harnesss is designed to go along driver's side. You can still choose to put it along passenger's side, can't you?
I noticed carsystems.pl have sets for LHD and RHD. I will check if one of their sets can be used to go along passenger's side.

In case of carsystems harness, is it designed to be connected to CAN or 12+ around the dashboard (fuse locations on the sides), or all connections can be done in the trunk? I've just got a towbar installed and all where connected in the trunk.

Would you happen to have a copy of the installation instructions from carsystems.pl? That would probably answer most of my questions.

With regard to sensor brackets, are they still holding? Is the double sided tape holding well, or would it be better with some glue or hot gun?

Thank you! :)

Hi there. In regards to the car systems kit, I liked getting the sensors painted by the company and the brackets fit to the bumper well. The "module 10" that goes in the trunk also came with the kit. However, when I did the install, I used all kufatec harnesses. I only ordered the front retrofit kit from car systems and I was missing the wire harness to hook into the can bus. If you ordered the whole parking sensor kit it may come with the canbus & rear buzzer wire. Additionally, the car systems harness was made to go down the drivers side only and getting through the fire wall on the drivers side would be a massive pain in the ass in my opinion. Also, the length of cable to get from the drivers side to the center console was too short. Originally I tried re-wiring the car systems harness to go down the passenger side but the length became an issue especially when getting to the center console. car systems did not have an install guide for the A4. They just gave you one for a Golf with the control module installed in the left side of the trunk. Obviously, our control module is in the right side of the trunk so again length would become an issue. I don't think car systems really put the time and effort into the A4 kit. If I were to do it all again I would order the kufatec harnesses. I think the quality/attention to detail was better. The sensors, brackets, and "brain" from car systems was good but you can definetely get the sensors and brackets elsewhere and still order the brain from car systems. Your call. I will say occasionally I get a long beep tone from the front sensors for 1-2 seconds accompanied by the visual of the front two sensors being right up against something. There is some kind of intermittent fault. It's not very frequent and at this point not worth trying to fix but my research online seems to indicate it may be the sensors themselves. My second hypothesis is that it is the module 10 brain. Not sure. In regards to the sensor brackets, my wife primarily drives this car and she "bumped" into the garage backing out one day, so when it was in the body shop the brackets were replaced with a new bumper. I'm not sure exactly which brackets the body shop used but the sensors and wiring are still original. Hope this all helps. Best of luck and hit me up with any more questions.

[Franky_d]

Hey Peeet. Wired up to open CAN HI/LOW 19 and still can't get module 10 to connect. I press the parking button and it flashes and beeps but no connection. We've tried flipping the wires too but for some odd reason it won't connect. Possible it's a bad module?

Which wires in the car did you connect CAN-high and CAN-low to? Where did you connect it to (in the trunk or on the right side of dash)?