Who has changed Transmission fluid on 6Automatic Quattro?

[SDF1]

I've been having some transmission issues and all Audi has done was update software and done adaptations. (Jerky shifts between 2-3 and transmission slipping between 3-4)
They refuse to do a transmission oil change as it is a lifetime fluid...So I'll have to do it somewhere else but a certified ZF shop for sure!

Has anyone done a transmission fluid change? What are your experiences?
I've search all over the forums and I haven't found anyone who has. So I'm posting everything I can find here.

According to ZF, it should be changed at 80,000kms! Yes lifetime, Audi Warranty 80,000kms Coincidence.
Regular maintenance intervals will substantially increase the automatic transmission's service life and, precisely for that reason, ZF recommends a regular oil change every 80,000 km.
http://www.zf.com/brands/content/en/...nging_kit.html

Transmission is KXT looking here It's a 6HP28AF, Trans Part # 1084 032 013/037/038/043 Main Parts List 1084 030 013
Takes 9L of oil but only need ~5L when doing a change.
Fluid is coded by dealer as G 060 16282 for 70$/L but when I've called ZF they said it's ZF LifeGuardFluid 6 which is 29$/L
Filter from the dealer is 121$ they won't give me a part number but I'm told after market it's 20$
Gasket from dealer is 76$ won't give me a part number but I'm told it's 20$ after market.

[jlaudio]

i've been wondering the same and my car just hit 51k. i find it rather laughable that the tranny oil is "lifetime" oil.
from my searches on these boards people have a 50/50 opinion on changing the tranny oil. some argue that you do more harm by disturbing deposits and metal shavings by changing the filter and oil. i would argue that i would rather have those shavings out of the tranny and fresh oil in lubricating as it should.

recently i've noticed my 6spd auto hanging in some gears coming away from a stop light. going from 2-3 it does not want to upshift into the next gear and i have to put the tranny in tiptronic and make the shift myself.

either way i am in the same boat as you, i am looking for a qualified shop to do a tranny service for me. that link from ZF you posted indicates they will have kits available in early 2013 though..

[SDF1]

I'm waiting for that kit, so if anything ever has problems in the future they can't blame me for using not genuine parts or that it wasn't required.

As for the board, it's unanimous to just change the fluid and not do a flush. The little metal pieces in the torque converter need to stay or else your risking catastrophic failure.


These are for 6HP28 but for 1068 not 1084 part#.
The kit is for 242$ That's a good price! just have to find the one for our part# 1084
Here is the part list pdf and a presentation about the HP28 is the 2nd generation of the HP26.

[A4 Centaur]

Hey,

Start here:

http://www.blauparts.com/audi/audi_f...on_fluid.shtml

http://www.levelten.com/Default.asp

Should be good as new after a little TLC.

[SDF1]

Hey,

Start here:

http://www.blauparts.com/audi/audi_f...on_fluid.shtml

http://www.levelten.com/Default.asp

Should be good as new after a little TLC.

Thank you for checking out our web site. At present we do not have a a/t filter change kit available for your vehicle. If you provide me with the fluid specification your car requires I will check to see if we have the fluid available for you. You can ask your dealer for the OE part number for the transmission fluid. Have a nice weekend.

Regards,
Rhonda
[email protected]

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Hello,

The code for the fluid is G 060 16282.

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>So sorry, we do not have this fluid available. The transmission fluids we have start with G 052 or G 055.
>
>Rhonda


I wouldn't want to MIX any fluid and since I'm not doing a flush, i won't get the oil out of the torque converter. Original oil is only it's 18.xx$/L there.

[hiwords1]

this is what you need. i'm pretty sure the 8 is supposed to be an "A" lol

http://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_A4-...uid/ES2226196/

[SDF1]

this is what you need. i'm pretty sure the 8 is supposed to be an "A" lol

http://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_A4-...uid/ES2226196/

That is for the 8 speed, not the 6 speed automatic transmission. That stuff is green, while ours is yellow. Check the presentation I posted (page 56)

[gdawg'05a4]

Check out this transmission fluid kit: http://www.thectsc.com/index.php?p=p...=190&parent=61

[SDF1]

Check out this transmission fluid kit: http://www.thectsc.com/index.php?p=p...=190&parent=61

That's the Oil change kit for 6HP26x we have a 6HP28 with Trans Part # 1084 032 0XX

[gdawg'05a4]

That's the Oil change kit for 6HP26x we have a 6HP28 with Trans Part # 1084 032 0XX

My apologies. I saw 6HP28. Disregard then.

EDIT: Did you look at the chart below? It lists 6HP28...

"This oil change kit will accomodate all 6HP26-6HP26X-6HP28-6HP32 transmissions with steel oil pan."

[SDF1]

I've emailed them and waiting a response.

Nice how to replace the oil plan

SHIT!!! This sounds like my problem...
http://www.prlog.org/11758814-zf-6hp...formation.html
http://widget.gadgetpizza.com/ZF-6HP...g-information/

[SDF1]

I'm now 90% sure this kit doesn't apply to us as our plan is metal.

Update:
ZF Referred me to a local service center and I was quoted ~400$ by them to do an oil change.

[sdy101]

recently i've noticed my 6spd auto hanging in some gears coming away from a stop light. going from 2-3 it does not want to upshift into the next gear and i have to put the tranny in tiptronic and make the shift myself.

I'm at 49k miles and the same is happening to me again. Usually when cold and accelerating from a stop sign or stop light, it likes to hang in 2nd or 3rd gear, and I have to go into Tip mode to upshift. I will say I took it in and Audi changed my tranny filter and fluid at about 39k miles (I was also having issues with RPM dropping below 800 and the car stalling), and the problems went away. Now the staying in gear issue is back occasionally. Oh well, at least I shouldn't have to worry about changing my fluid for another 40k miles...

[SDF1]

I'm at 49k miles and the same is happening to me again. Usually when cold and accelerating from a stop sign or stop light, it likes to hang in 2nd or 3rd gear, and I have to go into Tip mode to upshift. I will say I took it in and Audi changed my tranny filter and fluid at about 39k miles (I was also having issues with RPM dropping below 800 and the car stalling), and the problems went away. Now the staying in gear issue is back occasionally. Oh well, at least I shouldn't have to worry about changing my fluid for another 40k miles...

How much did the dealer charge you?

[FSures]

Did mine. Went to dealer and had the parts dept give me the filter & trans oil part numbers. Sourced the parts and had an independent do the job. Takes 6 ots fluid, have 7 just in case, trans filter and Audi trans pan gasket.

[SDF1]

Did mine. Went to dealer and had the parts dept give me the filter & trans oil part numbers. Sourced the parts and had an independent do the job. Takes 6 ots fluid, have 7 just in case, trans filter and Audi trans pan gasket.

Any difference after?

[sdy101]

How much did the dealer charge you?

It was repaired under warranty. I do remember the transmission felt "smoother" afterwards. I recently drove a 2013 8sp auto. Made my car feel sluggish...

[FSures]

Feels smoother. No oil is good for life.

[NJRoadFan]

I'm at 49k miles and the same is happening to me again. Usually when cold and accelerating from a stop sign or stop light, it likes to hang in 2nd or 3rd gear, and I have to go into Tip mode to upshift. I will say I took it in and Audi changed my tranny filter and fluid at about 39k miles (I was also having issues with RPM dropping below 800 and the car stalling), and the problems went away. Now the staying in gear issue is back occasionally. Oh well, at least I shouldn't have to worry about changing my fluid for another 40k miles...

The problem isn't the fluid, its the programming of the computer on the automatic transmission. My car did the 2nd gear hang when it was brand new! I think Audi released a flash to fix the problem.

[winreboot]

The problem isn't the fluid, its the programming of the computer on the automatic transmission. My car did the 2nd gear hang when it was brand new! I think Audi released a flash to fix the problem.

Correct. TSB 2021193/2

I had to go twice to the dealer to have them understand that this is a problem and not normal. For me it was sluggish of the line and act wired when cold when going from red light. After TSB it drives much better.

[SDF1]

Correct. TSB 2021193/2

I had to go twice to the dealer to have them understand that this is a problem and not normal. For me it was sluggish of the line and act wired when cold when going from red light. After TSB it drives much better.

What did that TSB do? Software update on the engine or transmission?
Also
There is also a TSB for Rough gear changes both when accelerating and slowing down. Any know know what it does?

[winreboot]

What did that TSB do? Software update on the engine or transmission?
Also
There is also a TSB for Rough gear changes both when accelerating and slowing down. Any know know what it does?

It's software update on transmission computer. It fix the sluggish start from full stop in my case.

[rippin'av]

That sluggish start from stop drives me nuts. I also test drove an A3 years ago that did the exact same thing and the sales guy said it was normal for fuel economy...something about tranny shifting into neutral at stops then needing time to shift into drive again once you hit the gas pedal. Never thought anything of it but sure does suck. Not sure if the combination of fluid change and the TSB would solve the tranny woes but worth a shot. Looking forward to hearing results from those that do a full fluid change as I'm nearing 60K and will want to change all fluids at that point, tranny, diff, coolant, etc.

[SDF1]

Who has the highest millage on a B8 with 6 speed automatic transmission?
Have you done a fluid change?
How is the transmission shifting?

Reading this article does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside... We have the 6HP28
ZF 6HP19 - 6HP28 Transmission Failures Due To Bad Valve Body and Computer Programming Information

[TCHUN003]

Who has the highest millage on a B8 with 6 speed automatic transmission?
Have you done a fluid change?
How is the transmission shifting?

Reading this article does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside... We have the 6HP28
ZF 6HP19 - 6HP28 Transmission Failures Due To Bad Valve Body and Computer Programming Information

That's unfortunate. I just started getting that 2nd gear hold a few weeks ago :(

[A4 Centaur]

Time to get a valvebody upgrade. Good excuse for some modding!

[TCHUN003]

Time to get a valvebody upgrade. Good excuse for some modding!

Sounds like we need to do valvebody upgrades along with a rebuild :-(....I need to win the lottery.

[SDF1]

bump?

Who has the highest millage on a B8 with 6 speed automatic transmission?
Have you done a fluid change?
How is the transmission shifting?

[dracolnyte]

i just had my TCM updated for rough cold shifts. not much details on the version but it says 37309999 on my invoice and 9W underneath it. I do notice a difference in shifting patterns. its less rough and the shifts are slower.

[SDF1]

i just had my TCM updated for rough cold shifts. not much details on the version but it says 37309999 on my invoice and 9W underneath it. I do notice a difference in shifting patterns. its less rough and the shifts are slower.

Do you have a VCDS Cable?

If so post what this line.

Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)
Part No SW: 8K0 927 158 C HW: 0B6 927 156
Component: 0B6 20TFSIUSA H04 0052
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL651 A01006

[dracolnyte]

My vcds cable bricked. I have been without a working cable for a year now

[Fburg A4]

Ran across something interesting when looking through a VW forum. Folks have been talking about using BG Universal Synthetic ATF (BG 312) product. Apparently when they've been getting flushes or trans services at a dealership, the dealerships have been using the BG 312 ATF product instead of OEM fluid (the forum posters were surprised by this in most cases). I found an application chart for the product here. The BG paper says their fluid "meets or exceeds the performance requirements of the following ATFs:" and G060162A2 is listed on there. I think the BG ATF costs a lot less than the OEM stuff also.
I'm curious if anyone has called around to dealerships or service shops and heard they used BG ATF or if anyone has had a flush done with BG ATF and if their car still shifts out of park.

[Blake P]

bump?

Who has the highest millage on a B8 with 6 speed automatic transmission?
Have you done a fluid change?
How is the transmission shifting?

I think I do (here at AZ, anyway) with ~114k and change. Transmission shifts just fine and I have no plans to change the fluid in my lifetime... or until I get rid of the car in the next year or so, whichever comes first!

[TCHUN003]

Ran across something interesting when looking through a VW forum. Folks have been talking about using BG Universal Synthetic ATF (BG 312) product. Apparently when they've been getting flushes or trans services at a dealership, the dealerships have been using the BG 312 ATF product instead of OEM fluid (the forum posters were surprised by this in most cases). I found an application chart for the product here. The BG paper says their fluid "meets or exceeds the performance requirements of the following ATFs:" and G060162A2 is listed on there. I think the BG ATF costs a lot less than the OEM stuff also.
I'm curious if anyone has called around to dealerships or service shops and heard they used BG ATF or if anyone has had a flush done with BG ATF and if their car still shifts out of park.

Thanks for the info! Keep us posted if you find out more info on this.

[SDF1]

ZfLifeguard 8 can be found for 31.70$ here

[Fburg A4]

I wouldn't risk it. I've seen the ZF LifeGuard 6 fluid as low as 20$/L

Quick question going back to your original post. I've found some fluid corresponding for trans type 6HP28AF being the Audi oil G060162A2 (similar to what the dealer said). One the site here it lists LifeGuard 8 as the fluid for that trans type and Audi oil part number.

But I recall you said ZF themselves said it is LifeGuard 6. I'm just trying to reconcile these differences and make sure I got things straight. To add to my confusion, I was looking at that ZF presentation you posted earlier and it looks like page 60 titled "ATF Oil-Check 6HP28AF Audi" states it is LifeGuard 8, which is green (not yellow like the LifeGuard 6). Going by the KXT letter code equating to 6HP28AF trans code, it seems that from the presentation it should be LifeGuard 8.

[SDF1]

I rechecked the material and i think your right it is Zf LifeGuard 8! I emailed my contact at ZF to verify and asked him if the kits directly from ZF are ready.

Even looking here
Looking here, i see where the confusion happened.

all 6HP28, 6HP28X, 6HP28A61, use LifeGuard 6
BUT We have
6HP28AF which uses LifeGuard 8!

Note: (2) differential require different oil, see TE-ML11 for specifications.


Thank you Fburg!

[Fburg A4]

Yeah when I saw that note saying the diffs required a different oil I thought "Great, now I have to figure out where to find that fluid too!"
Let us know what ZF says regarding your follow up. Looks like plenty of people are interested in doing some sort of trans service for their car and the info will help. The difference in cost between that OEM ATF and the LifeGuard fluid is amazing at about $30/L, so I think many people will go with ZF fluid.

Have you ever got a visual inspection of your tranny fluid to see how it looks right now? I think if mine looks decent I will go the flush route rather than a drop the pan and refill method. It's risky but I live life on the edge. Luckily with a smart phone I can search for tow trucks when I get stranded on the side of the road after f'ing up my transmission so it isn't that big of a deal.

[SDF1]

Yeah when I saw that note saying the diffs required a different oil I thought "Great, now I have to figure out where to find that fluid too!"
Let us know what ZF says regarding your follow up. Looks like plenty of people are interested in doing some sort of trans service for their car and the info will help. The difference in cost between that OEM ATF and the LifeGuard fluid is amazing at about $30/L, so I think many people will go with ZF fluid.

Have you ever got a visual inspection of your tranny fluid to see how it looks right now? I think if mine looks decent I will go the flush route rather than a drop the pan and refill method. It's risky but I live life on the edge. Luckily with a smart phone I can search for tow trucks when I get stranded on the side of the road after f'ing up my transmission so it isn't that big of a deal.

Everywhere I've read, everyone recommends against doing a flush.
I've read 3 different methods of doing this.
A) Flush as we know it by running a pump to get all the old fluid out (including torque converter) and change the filter.
B) Drop the pan, clean the plan and magnets, replace the filter and refill the fluid about 50% of the fluid replaced.
C) Drain the fluid 5L and replace fresh fluid, drive 500Kms (300miles), then do a option B. Which makes sense as your probably only keeping about 25% of the old fluid.

ZF's own kit is only 5L so they don't even do a flush.

[rennsport]

Thanks SDF1 and other members for posting this.

I recently bought an '09 Avant for GF and was not aware of this issue. I was obsessing over oil consumption instead. As part of getting the car sorted, I'm biting the bullet and having the dealership change tranny oil and filter to the tune of $450(ouch). I haven't noticed any shifting problems yet but might have a sluggish start from stop. I haven't driven the car enough to know what is normal take-off plus this is the first automatic for me. I'm right at 50K miles so I ask them to go over the car. First time to use the dealership so hopefully I'll get a feel for how good their service department is.