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    Quote Originally Posted by lapisia View Post
    Same, there is basically no differentiation between the modes as a result but it did fix the on-center problem.
    My on-center issue is gone and steering in dynamic is much better/firmer at speed. I never change settings (not sure why anyone does) so that doesnt bother me.

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    I'm starting to get used to the update. I think the firmness was our only way to get back that feel for the road. But these are Audi's we can't have great steering and everything else too. I'm happy with what I have.
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    I had 48k8 done last year and felt an immediate improvement in on-center feel and elimination of the center notch. Gradually, though, the original maladies have crept back although not quite as severe as before. Took it back to the dealer yesterday and they performed the update again. The service mgr said that it is still called 48k8 but the tech noticed that there is a new prefix which indicates that the version may have been updated by Audi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose201 View Post
    I had 48k8 done last year and felt an immediate improvement in on-center feel and elimination of the center notch. Gradually, though, the original maladies have crept back although not quite as severe as before. Took it back to the dealer yesterday and they performed the update again. The service mgr said that it is still called 48k8 but the tech noticed that there is a new prefix which indicates that the version may have been updated by Audi.
    Have you noticed any differences since the new 48K8? When did you have the update originally done?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rs4dreams View Post
    Have you noticed any differences since the new 48K8? When did you have the update originally done?
    Had the original done right around 9/1/2013. Was only able to drive it between the dealer and my house (I took the long way though ). On center feel was good....I didn't feel the center notch but it was around 50 degrees yesterday. Temps have dropped and I'll try and report back in a few days when I have more seat time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose201 View Post
    Had the original done right around 9/1/2013. Was only able to drive it between the dealer and my house (I took the long way though ). On center feel was good....I didn't feel the center notch but it was around 50 degrees yesterday. Temps have dropped and I'll try and report back in a few days when I have more seat time.
    Great, let us know. Is there more resistance in dynamic by any chance? Did you have the notchiness come back after the first 48K8? I haven't had issues with it since the update. I had the original done a week or two before you so I'm probably eligible for this 2nd version as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose201 View Post
    Had the original done right around 9/1/2013. Was only able to drive it between the dealer and my house (I took the long way though ). On center feel was good....I didn't feel the center notch but it was around 50 degrees yesterday. Temps have dropped and I'll try and report back in a few days when I have more seat time.
    Is there a big difference between dynamic & comfort modes after the latest update? My 2014 built date of Sept 2014 has the center wandering issue especially below freezing.

    I took it for a test drive with an Audi tech on Sat. and he could not feel the issue but it was above freezing at the time. 2 dealers told me that there are no campaigns for my car using the VIN. Same night I drove at night below freezing and steering was so bad I pulled into a gas station off the highway and restarted the car. That helped but when it is cold I could feel the steering getting loose about a 1/4 of inch turn.

    I am going to try disabling DSR 1st with help of someone with VAG and see if that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rs4dreams View Post
    Great, let us know. Is there more resistance in dynamic by any chance? Did you have the notchiness come back after the first 48K8? I haven't had issues with it since the update. I had the original done a week or two before you so I'm probably eligible for this 2nd version as well.
    Before 48k8 - Poor on-center feel, pronounced notch when rotating wheel just past center in either direction. Notch especially prevalent on crowned roads, during lower temperatures and around 35-45 mph.

    First 48k8 Update (9/2013) - Better on-center feel, more resistance in Dynamic, center notchiness gone.

    Last few weeks - Pre-48k8 symptoms return although not as bad as they were before the 9/2013 update. Found that I could induce the symptoms by driving over uneven surfaces (such as crowned roads).

    Second 48k8 Update (1/2014) - Improvement in on-center feel. Tried to induce center notch and was not able to. Need more seat time to confirm. Resistance in Dynamic is not greater but feels just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoked_S4 View Post
    Is there a big difference between dynamic & comfort modes after the latest update? My 2014 built date of Sept 2014 has the center wandering issue especially below freezing.

    I took it for a test drive with an Audi tech on Sat. and he could not feel the issue but it was above freezing at the time. 2 dealers told me that there are no campaigns for my car using the VIN. Same night I drove at night below freezing and steering was so bad I pulled into a gas station off the highway and restarted the car. That helped but when it is cold I could feel the steering getting loose about a 1/4 of inch turn.

    I am going to try disabling DSR 1st with help of someone with VAG and see if that helps.
    I'm probably not the best person to ask about Dynamic vs Comfort as I spend 100% of my driving time in Dynamic. My dealer has never asked me to go on a test drive and I'm glad because it is hard for someone to appreciate the problem until they live with it every day and consistently drive in the conditions that induce the behavior. Lots of dealers in NJ, can you try a different one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoked_S4 View Post
    Is there a big difference between dynamic & comfort modes after the latest update? My 2014 built date of Sept 2014 has the center wandering issue especially below freezing.

    I took it for a test drive with an Audi tech on Sat. and he could not feel the issue but it was above freezing at the time. 2 dealers told me that there are no campaigns for my car using the VIN. Same night I drove at night below freezing and steering was so bad I pulled into a gas station off the highway and restarted the car. That helped but when it is cold I could feel the steering getting loose about a 1/4 of inch turn.

    I am going to try disabling DSR 1st with help of someone with VAG and see if that helps.
    You'll probably find that DSR is already disabled on 2014 models. It was on mine.

    As far as getting the 48k8 update... you will probably have to ask them about it specifically and tell them to force the update. They had to do this to my car. The tech said there were no available updates, but they manually forced the car to take the 48k8 update. I believe this was the first 48k8 update, as I had this done at the end of October 2013. The symptoms have have not returned, and its been about -20*C here the past few days. The difference between comfort and dynamic isn't as pronounced as it once was, but I'll live with it for now.
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    I could probably ask one of the dealers to force the steering update but my concern is that I would lose the current dynamic feel and end up with comfort steering without a rollback. If I do force them then I can't turn around and complain that they made it worse. The primary reason I passed on 2014 335 lease was the soft steering(coming from 2010 hydraulics) on bimmers. Now I ended with a car with malfunctioning steering.

    I hate the latest trend with car manufacturers for switching to electric steering on high performance cars to save a couple of mpg. I don't get any good numbers now anyway with last tank being 12 mpg! Audi should have left hydraulics on S cars and glad they did not add auto shutoff garbage at red lights that bimmers come with now. Its my opinion that pennies saved from it won't recover the cost of constant wear and tear on the starter and other mechanical systems.

    I'll go the DSR route now and see if it is disabled by default. I don't commute to work with the car and mainly drive local during winter so I will wait and see how it is when weather gets warm(no issues under 50-55mph). I need it to track straight during summer weekend getaway/vacation long distance driving. I am going to call up AoA and complain until they get the proper fix without the damn side-effects. What pisses me off is that AoA and 2 local dealers I worked with act like they never heard of this issue before and they have no clue what is DSR. Instead of following up with surveys they need to spend some time here.

    I am kind of regretting the 2014 and maybe should have looked for a low mileage 2012 CPOs like some people are suggesting here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoked_S4 View Post
    glad they did not add auto shutoff garbage at red lights that bimmers come with now. Its my opinion that pennies saved from it won't recover the cost of constant wear and tear on the starter and other mechanical systems.
    I'm going to go a bit OT here since "stoked" made his comment. I have driven a lot of BMWs with this auto start/stop feature, but I turned it off (you can do that) because it is so annoying. However, I had a Porsche last year with the feature, and although I didn't bother with it in the summer (the A/C is always going, so the engine doesn't shut off for long) I did try it for a few months in the winter and noticed that my average MPG went up by about 2. That's substantial! These cars presumably have a stronger starter that's designed for this constant use, so I wouldn't be too concerned about it. Porsche did a better job implementing the feature than BMW did. The car doesn't shudder and shake you as badly in the Porsche as it does in the Bimmer. Of course, for the money, it darn well shouldn't!

    That said, I agree with stoked and his little rant about the electric steering. I'd rather have hydraulic; and as I mentioned earlier in the thread, that's why I bought a used 2012 instead of a new 2014. I didn't save any money, but I got - in my opinion - a car with better steering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m j b View Post
    I'm going to go a bit OT here since "stoked" made his comment. I have driven a lot of BMWs with this auto start/stop feature, but I turned it off (you can do that) because it is so annoying. However, I had a Porsche last year with the feature, and although I didn't bother with it in the summer (the A/C is always going, so the engine doesn't shut off for long) I did try it for a few months in the winter and noticed that my average MPG went up by about 2. That's substantial! These cars presumably have a stronger starter that's designed for this constant use, so I wouldn't be too concerned about it. Porsche did a better job implementing the feature than BMW did. The car doesn't shudder and shake you as badly in the Porsche as it does in the Bimmer. Of course, for the money, it darn well shouldn't!

    That said, I agree with stoked and his little rant about the electric steering. I'd rather have hydraulic; and as I mentioned earlier in the thread, that's why I bought a used 2012 instead of a new 2014. I didn't save any money, but I got - in my opinion - a car with better steering.
    I'll continue your tangent, lol. I saw a technical talk about auto start/stop, and it seems like a lot of the Noise-Vibration-Harshness (NVH) of the start/stop is actually determined by how the transmission and engine control unit function, since for an automatic, you're in gear while stopped at a light. It's a tradeoff between how much NVH isolation you provide the driver (torque convertor disconnect clutch) from the engine, and how long it takes till they can drive away from the engine being off.

    One of the best systems out there on a DI engine uses stratified injection along with changing the initial timing/cam phasing (i.e. changing this for initial firing sequence for cylinder 1-3-2-4 for example) to prevent engine speed overshoot (the engine speed will overshoot the idle speed in a normal startup). Lessening this overshoot plays a large roll in reducing the perceived "harshness" or NVH of the start/stop instance. Secondary is how the powertrain locking clutches are slipped to prevent the initial impulse from reaching the output shaft, and consequently, the driver. For an automatic planetary box involves slipping 4-5 clutches. I don't think auto start/stop would be a big problem in a manual or DCT, since the car needs to be in neutral when at rest.
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    Mine is going back in to the dealer tomorrow. I have the notchy jump at 2-5 degrees off center on both sides. I had the 48K8 done is Sept. Steering got softer but I dealt. Did the Vag-Com Change, didn't notice a ton of difference.

    Now it has gotten cold and the notchyness is not just at highway speed but all the time. Took it in last week and they said 48K was fine and recoded something (pretty sure they un did my vag com change). Dealer made the mistake of calling the next day to ask how things were...... I took it back the next day and pointed out that it was not better so they agreed (after calling audi) to run a bunch of tests and set me up with a loaner so it seems they are taking this serious.

    I made a separate thread a week or so ago about considering trading this car for a 2012/11. While still considering it I am about to cry as this car checks all of the right boxes except for this steering notchyness. but is living up to what every single person in my office warned me about in moving to audi. I miss my 2011 335xi every time I touch the steering wheel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoked_S4 View Post
    I could probably ask one of the dealers to force the steering update but my concern is that I would lose the current dynamic feel and end up with comfort steering without a rollback. If I do force them then I can't turn around and complain that they made it worse. The primary reason I passed on 2014 335 lease was the soft steering(coming from 2010 hydraulics) on bimmers. Now I ended with a car with malfunctioning steering.

    I hate the latest trend with car manufacturers for switching to electric steering on high performance cars to save a couple of mpg. I don't get any good numbers now anyway with last tank being 12 mpg! Audi should have left hydraulics on S cars and glad they did not add auto shutoff garbage at red lights that bimmers come with now. Its my opinion that pennies saved from it won't recover the cost of constant wear and tear on the starter and other mechanical systems.

    I'll go the DSR route now and see if it is disabled by default. I don't commute to work with the car and mainly drive local during winter so I will wait and see how it is when weather gets warm(no issues under 50-55mph). I need it to track straight during summer weekend getaway/vacation long distance driving. I am going to call up AoA and complain until they get the proper fix without the damn side-effects. What pisses me off is that AoA and 2 local dealers I worked with act like they never heard of this issue before and they have no clue what is DSR. Instead of following up with surveys they need to spend some time here.

    I am kind of regretting the 2014 and maybe should have looked for a low mileage 2012 CPOs like some people are suggesting here.

    I think you should call BMW& Porsche and let them know. How could they overlook that? You think AOA should spend time here??? It usually takes about 5 pages of nonsense to get a fact. They would also track and catch all the guys that uninstall ECU tunes before service and re-install after. 48K works for me. If you had gone BMW you would have limp mode issues. There are problems with every manuf.

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    I've been lurking here for the last 6 months or so, and I'm about to pull the trigger on a 2014 S4. I had a question regarding this steering issue that some of you are experiencing. The car spec's I gave to my broker are for a "base" S4, with the only additional option being the sport diff. From what I gather, this means that my car will not have the Audi Driver Select which in turn means it will not have DSR - DSR being at the root of the steering issue. Ergo, my car shouldn't have the steering issues described in this thread (hydraulic vs. electric feel aside). Is this correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iron_ring View Post
    I've been lurking here for the last 6 months or so, and I'm about to pull the trigger on a 2014 S4. I had a question regarding this steering issue that some of you are experiencing. The car spec's I gave to my broker are for a "base" S4, with the only additional option being the sport diff. From what I gather, this means that my car will not have the Audi Driver Select which in turn means it will not have DSR - DSR being at the root of the steering issue. Ergo, my car shouldn't have the steering issues described in this thread (hydraulic vs. electric feel aside). Is this correct?
    No DSR is a software feature that lives inside of the power steering module, it comes on every VW/Audi car with electronically assisted steering. If you buy a new car, turning off DSR with software coding will have no effect, since it is post 48K8 update. Your 2014 will come with drive select (standard on all 2014's I believe), which gives you the option to change the steering resistance (dynamic-auto-comfort).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mbrad View Post
    Mine is going back in to the dealer tomorrow. I have the notchy jump at 2-5 degrees off center on both sides. I had the 48K8 done is Sept. Steering got softer but I dealt. Did the Vag-Com Change, didn't notice a ton of difference.

    Now it has gotten cold and the notchyness is not just at highway speed but all the time. Took it in last week and they said 48K was fine and recoded something (pretty sure they un did my vag com change). Dealer made the mistake of calling the next day to ask how things were...... I took it back the next day and pointed out that it was not better so they agreed (after calling audi) to run a bunch of tests and set me up with a loaner so it seems they are taking this serious.

    I made a separate thread a week or so ago about considering trading this car for a 2012/11. While still considering it I am about to cry as this car checks all of the right boxes except for this steering notchyness. but is living up to what every single person in my office warned me about in moving to audi. I miss my 2011 335xi every time I touch the steering wheel!
    Calling myself out here.....turns out that the Blizzaks were a major source of the problem, when tested with summers, notchy went away. Looks like I'm just going to have to tough it out for the winter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose201 View Post
    Before 48k8 - Poor on-center feel, pronounced notch when rotating wheel just past center in either direction. Notch especially prevalent on crowned roads, during lower temperatures and around 35-45 mph.

    First 48k8 Update (9/2013) - Better on-center feel, more resistance in Dynamic, center notchiness gone.

    Last few weeks - Pre-48k8 symptoms return although not as bad as they were before the 9/2013 update. Found that I could induce the symptoms by driving over uneven surfaces (such as crowned roads).

    Second 48k8 Update (1/2014) - Improvement in on-center feel. Tried to induce center notch and was not able to. Need more seat time to confirm. Resistance in Dynamic is not greater but feels just fine.
    Very cold temperatures here and I've done a bunch more driving. No center notch....even tried to induce the behavior and have not been able to. So far so good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mbrad View Post
    Calling myself out here.....turns out that the Blizzaks were a major source of the problem, when tested with summers, notchy went away. Looks like I'm just going to have to tough it out for the winter!
    I mentioned this in another thread, but will put it here too: consider switching next season to a high-performance winter tire (not a dedicated snow tire) for better feel on cold, dry pavement. In those conditions I have been happy with my Dunlop Wintersport 3DS. On the other hand, they don't do incredible well in actual snow....at least not in the 255/35/19 size I am running. Possibly they would be better in a smaller tread width (higher load concentration for the tread) and in an 18" size (more sidewall for more flex before breaking free laterally).
    I'm only judging from my experience with my 2012 comparing summer tires in warm weather to "performance winter" tires in cold weather, both tires being the same size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveYem View Post
    I mentioned this in another thread, but will put it here too: consider switching next season to a high-performance winter tire (not a dedicated snow tire) for better feel on cold, dry pavement. In those conditions I have been happy with my Dunlop Wintersport 3DS. On the other hand, they don't do incredible well in actual snow....at least not in the 255/35/19 size I am running. Possibly they would be better in a smaller tread width (higher load concentration for the tread) and in an 18" size (more sidewall for more flex before breaking free laterally).
    I'm only judging from my experience with my 2012 comparing summer tires in warm weather to "performance winter" tires in cold weather, both tires being the same size.
    I have that exact tire in 245/40/18 and it's been great in snow. Really deep snow, though, I drive the truck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose201 View Post
    I have that exact tire in 245/40/18 and it's been great in snow. Really deep snow, though, I drive the truck.
    Yeah I think the relative lack of flex in the 19" tire sidewall causes my car to get nose-heavy more than it should when turning on snow covered roads. Once it starts to let go my only real option is to give it some gas to try to bring the rear end around a bit. Very disconcerting, but I'm learning to just go much slower into a turn to give the tires a fighting chance.
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    I have some Mich PA4's in 245/45/18 and I don't think they're particularly great in the snow - i.e. I can get all 4 wheels to spin at 10 mph going straight with only a little powda on the ground. If was doing it all over, probably would have gone with 225/50/18 or whatever the proper sidewall is for 225.
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    switched from my oem 18' to oem 19' and the notchyness is deff back, Not sure if the wheel change had an affect on it or not


    had the software update done about 3 weeks ago, felt good for the first 3 weeks but starting to act up again, might just need to learn to deal with it and hope its not as bad in the warmner summer months lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by aka5 View Post
    switched from my oem 18' to oem 19' and the notchyness is deff back, Not sure if the wheel change had an affect on it or not


    had the software update done about 3 weeks ago, felt good for the first 3 weeks but starting to act up again, might just need to learn to deal with it and hope its not as bad in the warmner summer months lol
    Were you running spacers with the 18's? Change in tire? I think increasing the track width helps from what I've seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drob23 View Post
    Were you running spacers with the 18's? Change in tire? I think increasing the track width helps from what I've seen.
    was running 25mm in the rear and had some up front but took them off for awhile, you think i should run spacers on the 19's to help the issue?

    I was running conti pro contacts on the 18's and now running pilot sport A/S3 on the 19's

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    Quote Originally Posted by aka5 View Post
    was running 25mm in the rear and had some up front but took them off for awhile, you think i should run spacers on the 19's to help the issue?

    I was running conti pro contacts on the 18's and now running pilot sport A/S3 on the 19's
    I think it might help. Plus, don't you need ~10mm spacers to make the peelers look flush? Just the other day someone made a giant thread about wanting to trade in their B8.5 car cause of the steering. Turns out it was his tires - he said switching from blizzaks to summers fixed his problem. I asked him if the wheels were different but he never replied. My guess is that his winters were on a wheel with a super high offset.

    But I'll admit that this is just a guess and it might not fix the problem.
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    Going to take the car to the dealer again, maybe they will finally put in a new rack for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose201 View Post
    Before 48k8 - Poor on-center feel, pronounced notch when rotating wheel just past center in either direction. Notch especially prevalent on crowned roads, during lower temperatures and around 35-45 mph.

    First 48k8 Update (9/2013) - Better on-center feel, more resistance in Dynamic, center notchiness gone.

    Last few weeks - Pre-48k8 symptoms return although not as bad as they were before the 9/2013 update. Found that I could induce the symptoms by driving over uneven surfaces (such as crowned roads).

    Second 48k8 Update (1/2014) - Improvement in on-center feel. Tried to induce center notch and was not able to. Need more seat time to confirm. Resistance in Dynamic is not greater but feels just fine.
    I finally got around to calling the dealer about this. I asked if there was a steering update available for my VERY early 2013 B8.5. They said yes - "Power Steering Software Update". Do you think that will be the 48k8 update? I haven't had any steering issues (notchyness, etc) since I got the rack replaced last year but the on-center feel has never been particularly great on this car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by offthewall View Post
    I finally got around to calling the dealer about this. I asked if there was a steering update available for my VERY early 2013 B8.5. They said yes - "Power Steering Software Update". Do you think that will be the 48k8 update? I haven't had any steering issues (notchyness, etc) since I got the rack replaced last year but the on-center feel has never been particularly great on this car.
    Hard to say if it's 48k8 or the one they mentioned in the other thread that's been used in Europe. Maybe just call your Service Mgr and ask for the TSB code. Let us know if it's anything other than 48k8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose201 View Post
    Very cold temperatures here and I've done a bunch more driving. No center notch....even tried to induce the behavior and have not been able to. So far so good.
    Drove 120 miles yesterday in 12 degree temps over all sorts of road surfaces....no notch. Still good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose201 View Post
    Hard to say if it's 48k8 or the one they mentioned in the other thread that's been used in Europe. Maybe just call your Service Mgr and ask for the TSB code. Let us know if it's anything other than 48k8.
    I will report back next week with details and driving impressions.
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    well another round of 12 o'clock driving hump for me on the 2013 s5. since picking up in late 2012 this has become a regular thing every time the temperatures drop in the autumn and begin to warm up in the spring. as soon as temperatures start hovering around the freezing point this issue starts again. has anyone had any success?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirddecay View Post
    well another round of 12 o'clock driving hump for me on the 2013 s5. since picking up in late 2012 this has become a regular thing every time the temperatures drop in the autumn and begin to warm up in the spring. as soon as temperatures start hovering around the freezing point this issue starts again. has anyone had any success?
    Have you done the software update yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by peppeS4 View Post
    There is a TSB for 2013 S4's that I just had done at my 5K service. Something with the steering wheel module I believe. Not sure if this recall has anything to do with the problem you are describing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose201 View Post
    Have you done the software update yet?
    the dealership just got back to me about that. its odd that i was in for service about a two months ago and nothing was mentioned to me about this update despite having about a dozen trips to the dealership with this problem (dont recall but im pretty sure i had even asked on this trip about the issue). im reading that it should correct the hump at 12 problem but makes handling in all driving modes exactly the same, which sounds like an unfortunate but necessary tradeoff. i usually have it set to auto as i find comfort much to loose and dynamic heavy without feedback or reason. how are you all finding the new handling?

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    See my previous postings just above for my observations. I also just finished a 3,000 road trip and posted some comments about the steering in a separate thread: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-in-my-2013-S4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose201 View Post
    See my previous postings just above for my observations. I also just finished a 3,000 road trip and posted some comments about the steering in a separate thread: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-in-my-2013-S4

    Hi Moose201,
    can you provide a VagCom scan of your car? I am curious to see what is the software version after your second 48k8 update and compare it with the early 48k8 update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christos View Post
    Hi Moose201,
    can you provide a VagCom scan of your car? I am curious to see what is the software version after your second 48k8 update and compare it with the early 48k8 update.
    Hmmm, that may take me a day or two but I'll see what I can do. I'm a bit of a newb to VAG COM so this is probably a dumb question....where in the scan would the software version be indicated and what are you comparing it to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose201 View Post
    Hmmm, that may take me a day or two but I'll see what I can do. I'm a bit of a newb to VAG COM so this is probably a dumb question....where in the scan would the software version be indicated and what are you comparing it to?
    when you do an autoscan, just go to address 44. here are my scans:

    When car was new with the old rack, software version was D
    With the new rack installed, software version was E
    With my last 48k8 update in august 2013, software revision, it changed to F

    Old Rack:

    Address 44: Steering Assist (J500) Labels: None
    Part No SW: 8K0 909 144 D HW: 8K0 909 144 B
    Component: RCEPS H36 0505
    Revision: 00001000 Serial number: 0022530856
    Coding: 100000010001
    Shop #: WSC 06324 000 00000
    ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPSAU48X 005010
    ROD: EV_RCEPSAU48X.rod
    VCID: 32600A326534409

    New rack:

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist (J500) Labels: 8K0-909-144.clb
    Part No SW: 8K0 909 144 E HW: 8K0 909 144 B
    Component: RCEPS H37 0506
    Revision: 00001000 Serial number: 0011133344
    Coding: 100000010001
    Shop #: WSC 91445 999 100729
    ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPSAU48X 006012
    ROD: EV_RCEPSAU48X.rod
    VCID: 336E0F369A89C880ECE


    New rack with new software:

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist (J500) Labels: 8K0-909-144.clb
    Part No SW: 8K0 909 144 F HW: 8K0 909 144 B
    Component: RCEPS H37 0507
    Revision: 00001000 Serial number: 0011133344
    Coding: 100000010001
    Shop #: WSC 91445 999 10072
    ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPSAU48X 008014
    ROD: EV_RCEPSAU48X.rod
    VCID: 346C0C2A9F87CFB8F43

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