Building a methanol injected "upgraded" RS6-R S4

**NOTORIOUS VR** · 10-03-2012 09:09 AM

I'm confused... you bought JHM RS6-R's and then you had them modified once again with even bigger compressor wheels?

Find of playing with fire here don't you think?

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR

I'm confused... you bought JHM RS6-R's and then you had them modified once again with even bigger compressor wheels?

Find of playing with fire here don't you think?

No, I purchased RS6-Rs that were already in "a vendor who doesn't want to be mentioned"'s possession and they did the modifying with an even bigger compressor wheel. Playing with fire? Maybe. I don't care.

**NOTORIOUS VR** · 10-03-2012 09:36 AM

you don't care?

ok...

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR

you don't care?

ok...

What's the worst that can happen? Blown motor? This isn't my daily driver.

**Monty23** · 10-03-2012 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

What's the worst that can happen? Blown motor? This isn't my daily driver.

Would you like to donate to my STK fund? I'm serious.

**NOTORIOUS VR** · 10-03-2012 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

What's the worst that can happen? Blown motor? This isn't my daily driver.

that't not even remotely what I was trying to get at.

What I'm saying is the guys @ JHM put together a turbo that is clearly matched quite well in regards to their intended use.

Just blatantly slapping in a bigger compressor wheels isn't always such a good idea. There are generally many considerations when doing something like this.

So while you might think you may be getting a "better turbo" because it has a bigger compressor wheel, you might be getting a worse performing turbo. Unless ARD has data to prove otherwise VS. the RS6-R of course.

**tico** · 10-03-2012 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

No, I purchased RS6-Rs that were already in AR Design's possession and they did the modifying with an even bigger compressor wheel. Playing with fire? Maybe. I don't care.

Why would you then be concerned if your "RS6-R were geniune JHMs?

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

I guess I need to find out if my RS6-Rs are genuine JHMs as well. PM sent...

Your answers are starting to not make sense and sound more like lies. Post some pics of all those parts you said you already purchased.

edit: nterested in more info on the modified rs6-r turbos. How were you guys able to fit a larger compressor wheel if the housing was already machined by jhm?? is it billet?? send me the contact info I am interested

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR

that't not even remotely what I was trying to get at.

What I'm saying is the guys @ JHM put together a turbo that is clearly matched quite well in regards to their intended use.

Just blatantly slapping in a bigger compressor wheels isn't always such a good idea. There are generally many considerations when doing something like this.

So while you might think you may be getting a "better turbo" because it has a bigger compressor wheel, you might be getting a worse performing turbo. Unless ARD has data to prove otherwise VS. the RS6-R of course.

I didn't realize that's what you were getting at. You make perfect sense. The only way to know whether I have something better or worse is to get the car on a dyno after everything is installed. Part of me wishes I just went with my original plan of Tial 770s but what's done is done. I'm anxious to see how the car performs with what I've got.

Originally Posted by tico

Why would you then be concerned if your "RS6-R were geniune JHMs?

The turbos I got were in the hands of the vendor I purchased them from before they were available to the public. So... I'm curious as to which turbos I received. The first pack, second or third. It seems the later, the better.

Originally Posted by tico

Your answers are starting to not make sense and sound more like lies. Post some pics of all those parts you said you already purchased.

Can you elaborate on your concerns regarding my build? I imagine there's been a lot of people here in the past who've lied about their builds but I don't see the joy in doing so. You're not the first person to question my integrity. Unfortunately, I had everything shipped to Velocity Factor and getting them to take pictures of anything is like pulling teeth. I have no issue sending you their contact information to verify my build if you'd like. Maybe that would give them a little bump to take pictures. I don't know.

**tico** · 10-03-2012 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

I didn't realize that's what you were getting at. You make perfect sense. The only way to know whether I have something better or worse is to get the car on a dyno after everything is installed. Part of me wishes I just went with my original plan of Tial 770s but what's done is done. I'm anxious to see how the car performs with what I've got.

The turbos I got were in hand at ARD before they were available to the public. So... I'm curious as to which turbos I received. The first pack, second or third. It seems the later, the better.

Can you elaborate on your concerns regarding my build? I imagine there's been a lot of people here in the past who've lied about their builds but I don't see the joy in doing so. You're not the first person to question my integrity. Unfortunately, I had everything shipped to Velocity Factor and getting them to take pictures of anything is like pulling teeth. I have no issue sending you their contact information to verify my build if you'd like. Maybe that would give them a little bump to take pictures. I don't know.

show your bills for the 770r you said you purchased and sold and also for the parts you already purchased. You dont have show how much you paid. Or show us the tracking numbers of all those parts being shipped to Velocity Factor.

**Corbett** · 10-03-2012 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by tico

show your bills for the 770r you said you purchased and sold and also for the parts you already purchased. You dont have show how much you paid. Or show us the tracking numbers of all those parts being shipped to Velocity Factor.

Lol why the fck would he need to do that?

**tico** · 10-03-2012 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Corbett

Lol why the fck would he need to do that?

He does not have to.

I just called AR Design to ask about these turbos Zero Tolerance said he purchased from them. I was told that AR Design only sales the DP for our cars and that they do not recall ever selling RS6-Rs to anyone or recommending to anyone what this guy said here.

**Corbett** · 10-03-2012 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by tico

He does not have to.

I just called AR Design to ask about these turbos Zero Tolerance said he purchased from them. I was told that AR Design only sales that DP for our cars and that they do not recall ever selling RS6-Rs to anyone or recommending to anyone what this guy said here.

Ok I'm going to need to see a copy of your cell phone bill to prove this happened.

**tico** · 10-03-2012 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Corbett

Ok I'm going to need to see a copy of your cell phone bill to prove this happened.

give me your phone number and we can get in a conference call unless you want to wait for phone bill.

**Corbett** · 10-03-2012 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by tico

give me your phone number and we can get in a conference call unless you want to wait for phone bill.

Ill wait for the phone bill. Ill also need a recording of the call and the heart of your first child overnighted to me

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 11:01 AM

Call Velocity Factor and ask if there's a B5 S4 build being worked on with RS6-R turbos. :p I'm tempted to produce receipts for you but I'm not going to do that. The build is almost done and I will let it speak for itself when the time comes. There are a few people here on the east coast of south Florida who will see the car first hand.

It's sad that some people have to make up builds. :p I mean - MY build isn't even that spectacular! If I were going to fake one I'd use something like Loba750s not modified RS6s. :p

**Monty23** · 10-03-2012 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Corbett

Ill wait for the phone bill. Ill also need a recording of the call and the heart of your first child overnighted to me

Hahaha you guys crack me up... thanks for the laugh

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 11:07 AM

Anyway. I sent an email to Velocity Factor asking them for the serial number on the turbos so I'll have verification on that as soon as they respond. Again, just curious to know what "version" I received.

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 11:19 AM

Tico. You're wasting your time and making yourself look silly.

**tico** · 10-03-2012 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

Tico. You're wasting your time and making yourself look silly.

Oh! I can't waste my time? Your build is silly and I am having fun with it. Good luck with your "build"

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by tico

Oh! I can't waste my time? Your build is silly and I am having fun with it. Good luck with your "build"

Why don't you get back to work? :p Your boss is calling you...

Really. Go right ahead and keep piling it on, beautiful. It's just going to make you look el tardo when all is said and done. :p

**Jupiteraudi** · 10-03-2012 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by tico

Oh! I can't waste my time? Your build is silly and I am having fun with it. Good luck with your "build"

Tico, you've been throwing subtle jabs at the Op since your 1st post. It seems you have an issue with the financial aspect of the entire project. Italian car club, ability to afford GT-R's and Porsches, then a subtle civic comment? What's the deal? It's not your build! Does it bother you so much to question and request copies of receipts? Aren't we all owners or former owners of the same platform and share similar interest? The B5 platform is very accessible for everyone at this point but not for a proper stage 3 + build. Others try to piece together shit and cut corners when possible. I think we all know the result of such builds. I understand you want proof but you came out of the gates with an entirely different agenda.

Zero has been questioned by me regarding the complexity of the build and mainly shop selection. Yes, it has taken too long, so long to the extent he was ready to throw in the towel on the entire project. I was actually considering buying the car and the parts (I also live in South Florida) but he has decided to pursue the build and keep everything. I have my own B5 to babysit so the idea of two might drive me insane.

Zero, Notorious is a well respected member of this platform and I'm sure was only trying to voice concerns.

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Jupiteraudi

Tico, you've been throwing subtle jabs at the Op since your 1st post. It seems you have an issue with the financial aspect of the entire project. Italian car club, ability to afford GT-R's and Porsches, then a subtle civic comment? What's the deal? It's not your build! Does it bother you so much to question and request copies of receipts? Aren't we all owners or former owners of the same platform and share similar interest? The B5 platform is very accessible for everyone at this point but not for a proper stage 3 + build. Others try to piece together shit and cut corners when possible. I think we all know the result of such builds. I understand you want proof but you came out of the gates with an entirely different agenda.

Zero has been questioned by me regarding the complexity of the build and mainly shop selection. Yes, it has taken too long, so long to the extent he was ready to throw in the towel on the entire project. I was actually considering buying the car and the parts (I also live in South Florida) but he has decided to pursue the build and keep everything. I have my own B5 to babysit so the idea of two might drive me insane.

Zero, Notorious is a well respected member of this platform and I'm sure was only trying to voice concerns.

Thank you. :p And, yes - I do respect Notorious and his opinion. He's probably right. There's a few glaring holes in my project but it's too late now to turn back. I should have gone with a 3.0 and 770Rs but I will probably push what I have to the limit and see what comes of it. I think I'll be satisfied. At least for awhile.

It's surely annoying to most people that I have no pictures. Believe me - I'm more annoyed than anybody. Like I said earlier, it's like pulling teeth getting pictures from Velocity Factor. I really hope they've found time to actually work on my build this week. It's Wednesday. I should have a report from them on Friday. I really, really hope some stuff is done.

In four days it'll be six full months my car has been at Velocity Factor. I miss my little blue car. :p

**NOTORIOUS VR** · 10-03-2012 02:13 PM

I wasn't trying to make any jabs at your project, I was just curious as why someone would take a brand new set of already hybrid turbos and then change them. What I didn't know at the time was that you bought them from someone else (ARD) that had already modified them.

Either way, best of luck!

**tico** · 10-03-2012 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Jupiteraudi

Tico, you've been throwing subtle jabs at the Op since your 1st post. It seems you have an issue with the financial aspect of the entire project. Italian car club, ability to afford GT-R's and Porsches, then a subtle civic comment? What's the deal? It's not your build! Does it bother you so much to question and request copies of receipts? Aren't we all owners or former owners of the same platform and share similar interest? The B5 platform is very accessible for everyone at this point but not for a proper stage 3 + build. Others try to piece together shit and cut corners when possible. I think we all know the result of such builds. I understand you want proof but you came out of the gates with an entirely different agenda.

Zero has been questioned by me regarding the complexity of the build and mainly shop selection. Yes, it has taken too long, so long to the extent he was ready to throw in the towel on the entire project. I was actually considering buying the car and the parts (I also live in South Florida) but he has decided to pursue the build and keep everything. I have my own B5 to babysit so the idea of two might drive me insane.

Zero, Notorious is a well respected member of this platform and I'm sure was only trying to voice concerns.

This thread should go here B5 S4/RS4 Projects & Builds

I am good with his build. The thing is that when you read the OP comments they dont make sense. He has said money is not an issue for him, as you can read somewhere here he can afford a ZR1, but at the same time he seems to not have the resources to demand his shop to finish/work on his car. Read his previous Tial 770R build up it is a joke.

**s4930** · 10-03-2012 02:26 PM

is jfonz sending you a base file and tuning from logs? awd motorsports in coral springs has an awd dyno maybe that would work for you for live tuning

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR

I wasn't trying to make any jabs at your project, I was just curious as why someone would take a brand new set of already hybrid turbos and then change them. What I didn't know at the time was that you bought them from someone else (ARD) that had already modified them.

Either way, best of luck!

Thank you. Hopefully everything will fall into place.

Originally Posted by tico

This thread should go here B5 S4/RS4 Projects & Builds

I am good with his build. The thing is that when you read the OP comments they dont make sense. He has said money is not an issue for him, as you can read somewhere here he can afford a ZR1, but at the same time he seems to not have the resources to demand his shop to finish/work on his car. Read his previous Tial 770R build up it is a joke.

I don't have access to start threads in that area...

Otherwise. Maybe the problem is I've been learning as I go along. I came into this project knowing almost nothing and did most of my ordering early on - without enough research. Now I'm just hoping I received good advice from the right people. Like I said, there's not much I can do at this point. What resources can I use to demand the shop finish working on my car? I've already expressed to them that everything is taking too long but they do a good job of reassuring me that they're going to do a good job and simply don't want to rush. I know it's probably nonsense but the car is where it is and it's probably in my best interests to just leave it there. What else can I do? Bribe them to hurry up and finish? I've kind of nonchalantly already done that... It doesn't seem to have worked.

Maybe one of the problems here is that they've underestimated me. I drove there with an expensive car the first time, a different expensive car the second time, I've paid all their invoices within 5 minutes of them sending them to me - never bat an eye at what they're charging me - and I've even told them they cannot scare me with an estimate. Beyond that, I've asked them to hire additional employees that I would pay for. Maybe they think I'm being sarcastic and don't really have the means. I don't know. But there's not much more I can do without being really nasty. And like I've mentioned before, Felipe - the owner - is a good guy. I have a hard time being pissed at him for whatever is taking so long to get this project off the ground.

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by s4930

is jfonz sending you a base file and tuning from logs? awd motorsports in coral springs has an awd dyno maybe that would work for you for live tuning

I know it sounds funny but I just don't know. As far as I do know - Velocity Factor will be sending out my ECU for him to do an initial tune for a new engine break-in period. After that, the ECU will be sent out again for a full tune.

**s4930** · 10-03-2012 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

I know it sounds funny but I just don't know. As far as I do know - Velocity Factor will be sending out my ECU for him to do an initial tune for a new engine break-in period. After that, the ECU will be sent out again for a full tune.

hmm i would double check on that... anyways if you need help logging anything let me know!

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by s4930

hmm i would double check on that... anyways if you need help logging anything let me know!

Well I put J-Fonz and Velocity Factor in touch with one another so I hope they've got that situated for me. What doesn't sound right to you? And, yes - I will definitely need help with logging and all that stuff. I know I've got some stuff to buy in that regards - but I figure I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

**philthyphil** · 10-03-2012 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

I know it sounds funny but I just don't know. As far as I do know - Velocity Factor will be sending out my ECU for him to do an initial tune for a new engine break-in period. After that, the ECU will be sent out again for a full tune.

Why do you need a special tune for a break in? It seems like people here baby their engines for the first xxx miles, thats stupid. Get a real tune, do real driving and break in the engine properly. On my 750whp lexus we broke in the engine on the dyno. Within 20 miles it was already making 750whp or about 850 to the crank. If it's gonna break it'll break then.

This is how an engine should be broken in.
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

Clutches do require more restraint, but they still need to be romped on too.

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by philthyphil

Why do you need a special tune for a break in? It seems like people here baby their engines for the first xxx miles, thats stupid. Get a real tune, do real driving and break in the engine properly. On my 750whp lexus we broke in the engine on the dyno. Within 20 miles it was already making 750whp or about 850 to the crank. If it's gonna break it'll break then.

This is how an engine should be broken in.
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

Clutches do require more restraint, but they still need to be romped on too.

I'll read that article but I do also have a new clutch to break in. I'm just listening to what the builder is telling me - who seems to be very experienced in building race cars. Not Audi's - but other makes. I listen to what more knowledgeable people tell me and go from there. But like I said - I'll read the article and take it into consideration.

**s4930** · 10-03-2012 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

Well I put J-Fonz and Velocity Factor in touch with one another so I hope they've got that situated for me. What doesn't sound right to you? And, yes - I will definitely need help with logging and all that stuff. I know I've got some stuff to buy in that regards - but I figure I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

i have a vag com and all the software needed on my computer... and what doesnt sound right is having to ship the ecu twice?

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by s4930

i have a vag com and all the software needed on my computer... and what doesnt sound right is having to ship the ecu twice?

Cool.

Maybe I should ask J-Fonz what the process will be. I'm not sure if his tunes have "maps" for different scenarios.

**s4930** · 10-03-2012 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

Cool.

Maybe I should ask J-Fonz what the process will be. I'm not sure if his tunes have "maps" for different scenarios.

yea man i would get in touch with jfonz and see whats going on... i dont think our ecu's have stackable programs like the later models do through the cruise control. i dont mean to be a pain in the ass im just curious as to how velocity is handling this because of my experience with them and other stories that have popped up here and there. ill be more than happy to discuss issues that ive had several times with them privately dont really want to make them public... take a look at southern knights or south florida racing if its still around.

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by s4930

yea man i would get in touch with jfonz and see whats going on... i dont think our ecu's have stackable programs like the later models do through the cruise control. i dont mean to be a pain in the ass im just curious as to how velocity is handling this because of my experience with them and other stories that have popped up here and there. ill be more than happy to discuss issues that ive had several times with them privately dont really want to make them public... take a look at southern knights or south florida racing if its still around.

I've seen some interesting stories but nothing from Southern Knights and I believe SFR is down for good... If you have a chance, PM me some information. It's always good to be informed.

I just emailed J-Fonz for details on how the process works. He doesn't usually take long to get back to me...

Thank you

**tico** · 10-03-2012 03:32 PM

Zero, you might have to like

them on FB for them to post pics of your project or maybe they just don't like Audis. Their FB page show some Nissans
http://www.facebook.com/VelocityFactorFL

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 03:38 PM

There's a picture of my car on their Facebook page. It's the car on the left. That's it. It's been like that for a long, long time.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

This is their other Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/velocity.factor

And here's the one I usual watch:
https://www.facebook.com/VelocityFactorFL

**Zero Tolerance** · 10-03-2012 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by tico

Zero, you might have to like

them on FB for them to post pics of your project or maybe they just don't like Audis. Their FB page show some Nissans
http://www.facebook.com/VelocityFactorFL

Oh and I forgot to mention. Besides the engine rebuild, nothing has happened. They gave me some expectations for this week so maybe they started on the actual build this passed Monday. THAT would be great and that would mean they SHOULD have taken a few pictures by now. I can only hope.

**sektor M7** · 10-03-2012 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by tico

He does not have to.

I just called AR Design to ask about these turbos Zero Tolerance said he purchased from them. I was told that AR Design only sales the DP for our cars and that they do not recall ever selling RS6-Rs to anyone or recommending to anyone what this guy said here.

There are two "ARD"'s, one is in Colorado doing exhaust fab work and the other one is on the East Coast (Michigan?) and used to be in bed with Vast. Just search Vast/techsales .....a real gem of a "expert".

**tico** · 10-03-2012 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

Oh and I forgot to mention. Besides the engine rebuild, nothing has happened. They gave me some expectations for this week so maybe they started on the actual build this passed Monday. THAT would be great and that would mean they SHOULD have taken a few pictures by now. I can only hope.

good luck with those guys and you should had kept the 770