Turbo upgrade options

[Alex1188]

Nobody calls him out on it because nobody cares if its true or false.

Why do people list their mods in the signature? In my opinion its the same as putting stickers on your car.

Here's the thing, this is a community to share information, to help each other out and put out information that may help one another, not to sit and brag how fast you can go around a track. I dont care if he is lying or not, i care that he's telling people false information and misleading them.

And i put my mods in my signature for others, so that if they have questions about how to install something i have, or questions in general i can help. which i have done multiple times. But like i said...

If you see the pics in qua77ro's thread, he does have a GIAC sticker on his car.

Stickers dont mean crap and are tacky and shouldnt be on a car...just my opinion tho...

[Alex1188]

Back to the subject. Hopefully DM will come out with a tuning solution for the b8. Maestro is nice, but finding a local tuner is hard.

Can a tuner who does Honda, Toyota, etc.. Be able to tune our b8? Are there more variableS involved when tuning the b8? My integra was tuned with Hondata and its seemed pretty simple. Timing, AFR, etc.....

simple answer no....
our MED17 ecu has 1024bit encyption and require a hex can interface to even read the data. alot more to it then honda or integras, which is why there are not tuning solutions like other vehicle brands...

[deceptacon]

If you have maestro, what is involved with the tuning? Are there more variables then just PSI, timing, Afr, etc....

[QUA77RO]

I looked through your whole 10 page thread about racing around a track and see in there no proof of a custom tune, or as others have called it a "Mystery Tune"... and you sure like to keep it that way as well...~

~...if you had such a wonderful tune, then why would you not share that with the rest of this community and help advance tuning solutions or make a better tune for our car? because in reality all you have is an off the self tune, that you improperly logged boost on?

So keep talking to me like im some young punk and like your the so called god father you piece of shit. all i did was call you out and state my opinion based off the proof you provided...then again what proof, mr. mystery tune...

"looking through" something doesn't equate to reading but you already know that and everything else according to ...you...

There is more detail provided across the 3 linked threads than you were obviously ably to absorb in your mere perusal. Your continued questions illuminate the fact that you glossed over the answers to almost all of your questions except for the tune.

As long as you want to bluster and mouth off "like some young punk" then that's how I'll treat you. By being disrespectful, arrogant, and insubordinate, you have made your bed. Now lie in in it.

If you see the pics in qua77ro's thread, he does have a GIAC sticker on his car.

Well..had. ...and many more for that event.... Targa Trophy

I kept the "Michelin Man" on my rear bumper because it covers scrapes on the bumper cover that I didn't feel were worth repairing.

Bout a year ago, came from Fort Bragg, just got out the army...

Stickers dont mean crap and are tacky and shouldnt be on a car...just my opinion tho....

Thank you for your service. Tough times for grunts and POG's alike.

I'd generally agree with you about stickers on street cars. For certain events, there are mandatory sponsor stickers that are applied. I choose to augment the "event sponsor" decals occasionally with decals that are more relevant to my car personally.
Anyway, it's a personally choice and nothing to get your panties in a bunch about.

Not angry, just confused on why someone else hasn't called this guy out before, he has no proof to his statement on 27psi on a K03 other than he can drive fast around a track, and then act like he Ricky Bobby or the godfather. Once he can actually show physical proof on this and actually benefit this community instead of providing videos of driving around a track i would totally say wow just like everyone else, but this guy just saying crap like he's hot shit and that he has a mystery tune is sad....

No. You definitely got angry...as in lost control (of your keyboard)... Can't take getting your buttons pushed? Adjusting to civilian life can be a hard dose of reality. It's ok. It gets easier. Takes much thicker skin than it does in the service...

The reality is that I've been called out many times with regards to my Avant...before you owned a B8... but I just don't feel I have anything to prove so I don't really care whether you believe it or not. I go out and DO it while you sit here and type-on about the things that hold you back....Sad....

If I was a tuner, I'd need to back it up empirically and perhaps with an animated video for those less technically inclined. Or else I'd end up getting flamed like reps from APR and STaSIS and dig my company into an indefensible position by making claims without proof that turn out to be just that....unsubstantiated grandiose claims.

Here's the thing, this is a community to share information, to help each other out and put out information that may help one another, not to sit and brag how fast you can go around a track. I dont care if he is lying or not, i care that he's telling people false information and misleading them.

And i put my mods in my signature for others, so that if they have questions about how to install something i have, or questions in general i can help. which i have done multiple times. But like i said...

Your comments about the community show that not only are you new but don't have any clue as to how you and I are in complete agreement... as you continue to try and argue that you are right and I need to prove myself..to whom? you? the community? Maybe 25-30 years ago I'd have felt the need to "prove" myself... over it

I've defended the 'zine, and numerous other automotive forums from trolls and bench racers for years but you are obviously are unaware of that. SOK

I'd love for you to try and prove that I have given any "false information" here. Should be riotously comical to watch you blow a gasket trying since everything that you've stated relating to my car have been based on 2 things.... First, you make assumptions about what's under my hood. Second, you've drunk too much "K03" koolaid. Sober up.

I've put this forth before but it obviously bears repeating with people like Alex 11 88 clouding the water.

Usage of "K03" is an extremely loose term since it is used to describe the IHI when it was actually a Borg Warner designation. The IHI turbo that is loosely being referred to as "K03" is more advanced and efficient design than the original BW K03. Further, while a turbine and compressor housing have limits, there is much that can be done to increase flow with alternate impellers. All that can be done and you can still fly "under the radar". Read into that what you like.

Just like my build thread (which superficially appears to just be cosmetic ) much of what I post is for you the reader to glean the answer from "between the lines".

Don't be a victim of dogma or slave to statistics or you will never get off the bench. Ever hear of "paralysis due to analysis"?

Anyway, since you want to spout shit to me, personally, from now on, feel free to come drop it in my build thread or by PM. Stop thread crapping and acting like a douchebag!



Now if you're willing to get the sand outta your thong soldier, I'm sure we can carry on with the issue at hand which was "turbo options" for the 2.0TFSI.

Now I'm going to take the Spider for a cruise and laugh about this.

Cheers

[Alex1188]

Whats funny about that whole post is you still try to bring your self back up and put a crown on your head like your the king, but anyways i never intended for me pretty much asking for proof that you never provided to cause all of this, proof would be nice to see to help the forth coming of turbo upgrades(as this thread is for), instead of you hiding behind a brick wall on the tuning situation that you state you have, and obviously if your saying your running 27psi of boost on a k03 you have information that would be nice to share amoung a community in need of ANY tuning solutions, but yet you hold back, doesnt make sense to me...

And go ahead and try to equate to me or what i did in the military, you know nothing about me or what i have done or went through, and if you were a true military member/supporter you wouldnt resort to the terms POG or grunt seeing as loosely classified they are. But hey what ever im done arguing with someone that isnt worth my time, and would like to apologize to the rest of this community for what has been said here by me and ^this so called "godfather/superman" all that was intended was to see some proof of tuning that you will never see i guess...

[A4 Centaur]

So, I am thinking that Upsolute might be the best Tuner to get the numbers we would like. Here is what they did for the TT:

Audi TT 2.0 TFSI 272 S Original UPsolute
Power (hp) 272 hp 308 hp
Power (kW) 200 kW 226 kW
Torque (ft/lb) 258 ft/lb 299 ft/lb
Torque (NM) 350 NM 405 NM
Engine size 1984 1984

From the 'Zine Banner Page:


"The engine in the Audi TT quattro sport concept makes a powerful statement. The 2.0 TFSI has a power output of 309 kW (420 hp) at 6,700 rpm = a new benchmark in the two-liter category. Its specific output is 155 kW (210 hp) per liter of displacement = that's more than even 2001's victorious Le Mans R18 racing car, which was the first time Audi combined turbocharging with FSI direct gasoline injection. The four-cylinder engine has 450 Nm of torque (331.90 lb-ft) available in the engine speed range from 2,400 to 6,300 rpm. with over 300 Nm (221.27 lb-ft) already available at only 1,900 revs. The cylinder head is a systematic further development tailored to the higher loads and increased gas throughput. To accommodate the higher output, the EA888's familiar, highly compact thin-wall cylinder crankcase is here made of a high-strength cast alloy. The also newly developed exhaust-gas turbocharger features optimized mixed-flow technology and produces up to 1.8 bar of charge pressure."



The Tuners in Europe might be the ones to lean on a bit. Perhaps an idea of what kind of turbo VAG switched to for this concept might yield some results as well. I am still hopeful I don't have to buy a B9 to get the performance that the E888 engine has locked inside.

[cory_can]

There have always been various tuners that have advertised great numbers but the reality is there is a huge variance in how they come up with those number. Take it with a grain of salt unless you see real world results....and I don't mean a random dyno sheet.

[A4 Centaur]

Yea, that is correct. I do know that in the Tdi Forums Upsolute has a great reputation and solid background. Might see if I can find out anything on the German forums regarding B8 tuning.

[dame drizzo]

Okay sooo..

I haven't been on here in a while. For those of you that don't know my b8 was flooded in hurricane sandy and was a total loss. I have a 2013 a4 now that is testing f23l*turbo.

In regards to my previous car & those who say I didn't give out enough info or was being a dick I just don't get it? The #'s were posted for a very very long time in my signature and whenever anyone had any questions I always went above and beyond to help. To think its 2014 and b8 bt kits have been for sale and still people want another company to make it? Can I just ask why? It was built and tested for a while. Granted, never got the tune fully dialed in. Max boost was 22 psi on my efr setup. Decided to go frankenturbo route instead of efr again because I don't need as much power as before. Also I'm very excited to mod my car again and add some power due to the fact I lost my bt b8 in October 2012.

Let the process continue. There will be more info in regards to this build. Any questions just let me know and I'll do my best to answer them.

[TCHUN003]

Dame, can you go with a tune that uses the OEM CAT with your F23L? I want to do the same thing, but it's too much of a hassle to use a testpipe or HFC since I live in socal.

[dame drizzo]

You know I am not sure on that. Yeah living in Cali and trying to go bt would be an issue because of all the emissions. I'm utilizing a test pipe but as testing goes along I will see if I can get some info on it.

[A4 Centaur]

Dame keep up the good work!

[Alex1188]

Okay sooo..
I have a 2013 a4 now that is testing f23l*turbo.

What are you utilizing as far as tuning on this?

[dame drizzo]

Using a modified ots unitronic tune as we had another tuner who was going to custom tune but wasn't able to join the build because of time constraints. I'm not looking for any insane power, but going from a stage 3 b8 to basically what amounts to a stock b8 is pretty difficult. The goal here is to provide an affordable solution to upgrading the turbo on our cars. That's why I did the first bt kit a few years back, because other people wanted it as well. Hopefully this will help this discussion move along in the right direction and give more hope to other companies to keep developing our platform, as it seems they've all hit a brick wall or just don't want to do anymore r&d on a product that people only show minimal interest and then when it's finally available for sale nobody commits. Also doing a snow performance stage 3 water meth kit for this car as well. Still debating on whether or not to put on my huge fmic again as we are using the stock one for testing. Though I was offered to trade in my fmic for a brand new smaller one I turned it down because my fmic is literally 3" higher then what's available for sale (it was custom made for my car with over 20 revisions made to dial it in perfectly) more pics/vids/info to come. Follow me on Instagram @damedrizzo for more up to date info. Will try to set up a build thread if I find the time.

[QUA77RO]

Using a modified ots unitronic tune as we had another tuner who was going to custom tune but wasn't able to join the build because of time constraints. I'm not looking for any insane power, but going from a stage 3 b8 to basically what amounts to a stock b8 is pretty difficult. The goal here is to provide an affordable solution to upgrading the turbo on our cars. That's why I did the first bt kit a few years back, because other people wanted it as well. Hopefully this will help this discussion move along in the right direction and give more hope to other companies to keep developing our platform, as it seems they've all hit a brick wall or just don't want to do anymore r&d on a product that people only show minimal interest and then when it's finally available for sale nobody commits. Also doing a snow performance stage 3 water meth kit for this car as well. Still debating on whether or not to put on my huge fmic again as we are using the stock one for testing. Though I was offered to trade in my fmic for a brand new smaller one I turned it down because my fmic is literally 3" higher then what's available for sale (it was custom made for my car with over 20 revisions made to dial it in perfectly) more pics/vids/info to come. Follow me on Instagram @damedrizzo for more up to date info. Will try to set up a build thread if I find the time.

Welcome back!

Unitronic was a great starting point. Can't wait to see where you are able to take this.

I think there are two major issues for the "mainstream" U.S. tuners in that is there difficulty in seeing ROI on the required R&D to deliver a fully sorted kit as well as the fact that there is, in at least one instance, a direct conflict of interest with their current offering as it would undoubtedly undermine a good portion of those sales.

[cory_can]

^ Dame, weren't you 'cursing and swearing' about Unitronic support on your EFR tune?

[dame drizzo]

Yeah, cause it was non-existent. I basically had this option or custom tune by another company but the cost just wasn't worth it as I'm not trying to squeeze every bit of power on this setup. They have a k04 file for my ecu code. There isn't even a stage 1 file from any tuners still for the 2013 model year with the aluminum intake manifold. I'm hoping this was the right decision. There stage 2 file on my last b8 was simply perfect and with this current file it should've already been finished since it is showing up in the system so I'm fairly certain this can and will work. If not then back to the drawing board.

[cory_can]

Yeah, cause it was non-existent. I basically had this option or custom tune by another company but the cost just wasn't worth it as I'm not trying to squeeze every bit of power on this setup. They have a k04 file for my ecu code. There isn't even a stage 1 file from any tuners still for the 2013 model year with the aluminum intake manifold. I'm hoping this was the right decision. There stage 2 file on my last b8 was simply perfect and with this current file it should've already been finished since it is showing up in the system so I'm fairly certain this can and will work. If not then back to the drawing board.

When I had my CTS K04 installed I was looking at different options for a tune, one of which was Unitronics. When I contacted them I didn't get the 'warm and fuzzies' about the testing that had been done on B8 + K04 and I wasn't interested in being a beta tester/guinea pig. Perhaps they've done some additional testing/tweaking in the past 9-10 months. I'll be watching your progress.

[dame drizzo]

Well if the file is available then it means the final revision was made and it's officially ready for sale. What are you using now? Still have the cts k04 kit ? What tune ?

[cory_can]

Well if the file is available then it means the final revision was made and it's officially ready for sale. What are you using now? Still have the cts k04 kit ? What tune ?

It was officially ready for sale when I asked too......I just had no confidence that it was "actually" ready, had been optimized and polished. I'm fairly certain that they would have provided me with a very rough tune and my drivability complaints would have eventually helped them smooth it out for the next guy.

[dame drizzo]

Okay, but what made you think it was unfinished to begin with ? What are you currently running ?

[cory_can]

Okay, but what made you think it was unfinished to begin with ? What are you currently running ?

I don't remember the specifics of the conversation I had in order to properly quote what was said, but I got a good feel that was the case.

Here's another common sense approach to bet on how likely the tune has been refined .....do you know a single B8 A4 K04 user using Unitronics software? Perhaps that's not fair, but it makes sense to me.

[dame drizzo]

Very true but it could just be people who aren't active in the forums. Not everyone is on audizine, also they could be international customers because I know of a few people from the Middle East who purchased GTX kits and also k04 turbo upgrades.

[cory_can]

Yeah, i understand that. I browse several other forums and I just haven't seen references to many, international included.

I'm surprised you're not using Maestro.

[WAF]

Yah I hope someone gets a file for '13 with metal IM soon. Supposedly APR was in the process of getting one done, but still no news.

[dame drizzo]

I was going to do a simple stage 2 apr tune because they offered it for free(transfer from my first totaled b8 to this) I've asked since waterfest last year and then was told it's not out yet. Then later last year they told me December, then January, then February and still nothing so I decided to do this. I would do eurodyne but I'm in a time constraint. I want my car back asap as I am not planning on making payments for a car while it gets modded anymore. I learned from last time.

[dame drizzo]

Yah I hope someone gets a file for '13 with metal IM soon. Supposedly APR was in the process of getting one done, but still no news.

Apparently unitronic already has it for the 2013 with metal im

[WAF]

Ok thanks for the info I just haven't heard the greatest things about Unitronics though. Ill check it out.

[dame drizzo]

Whole setup is bolted on, water meth controller is being mounted right now. Ecu being flashed in a few and then some dyno runs to make sure everything is smooth. Fingers crossed that everything is completed so I can pick her up tomorrow.

[QUA77RO]

^^ can't wait to hear how it turns out

[Mod.Kill.Yut.]

So I found out via email correspondence franken turbo's hybrid F23L for the FSI/TFSI/TSI engines is going on a "presale" next Monday :-)


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[A4 Centaur]

About time! Any other details?

[Mod.Kill.Yut.]

Looking like a 1599 price tag with a $200 rebate for tuning and install feedback.


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[13allroad]

Where are you seeing this?

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[dscline]

Looking like a 1599 price tag with a $200 rebate for tuning and install feedback.

Hmmm, that's $300 more than their initial price estimate (or $100 more IF you can jump in and get it installed during the rebate period, whatever that ends up being).

[Mod.Kill.Yut.]

Where are you seeing this?

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[Mod.Kill.Yut.]

Hmmm, that's $300 more than their initial price estimate (or $100 more IF you can jump in and get it installed during the rebate period, whatever that ends up being).

I'm not sure what their original estimates were, but I also imagine that's without a tune so there's more money to add on to that


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[dscline]

I'm not sure what their original estimates were, but I also imagine that's without a tune so there's more money to add on to that

They were $1,299, as per the post I linked to. $1,599 plus 5-600 for a tune plus install $, lessens the appeal somewhat relative to getting an APR kit during one of their free install promos. I'm not saying the pricing is bad, but it's not as attractive as it initially was, especially considering this is a relatively unproven part.

[dame drizzo]

Unproven in the B8 sense but frankenturbo has been making kits for years for b5's and b6's. That price point is still cheaper than a k04 kit. Apr just posted their b8.5 stage 1 e85 tune and claim they got 80 whp and over 100 wtq on just simple stage 1 stock car. Though it was e85 I'm glad my car is setup for it. I wanted to get an e85 tune as well but didn't have the patience. I figure I finish this frankenturbo install and then in a few years buy a used b8.5, efr kit + e85 and build the engine and it should be something spectacular.

One thing to remember about the f23L is that it's slightly larger than a k04. Side by side it's hard to tell a significant difference until you look inside and see the turbine wheels. Still for under 2k for an entire kit seems like a crazy deal. You don't wanna know what it cost me to help develop the efr/gtx kit...

[context.eax]

Hi.
My car is a B8 (not B8.5) and I have the metal intake and the engine can run on E85. (I have the extra sensor in the fuel line)
A4 B8 2.0tfsi 180hp quattro E85 2012.
Does anyone know if I can run this e85 tune on my car?
They are talking about a fifth injector?? How can I know if I have 4 or 5 injectors? And if I have 4 can I add one? :)
Regards.