Well I had an interesting week......

[FourRingThing]

Long Story, Saturday I notice I have no oil showing on the MMI and I am half way to an oil change so I add a quart ( have never had to add oil). Monday I get to work and the guy that was behind me on the way in says "hey are you burning oil? I saw a big puff of blue smoke come out of your car" I say oh thats a known issue with model but I have not had a problem..... With this on my mind when heading home I check the MMI and I am already 1/3 of the way down. I immediately call the dealer and they can not get me in until Wednessday, OK. Tuesday I am taking the kid to school am sitting at a light and all of a sudden it feels like someone hit the car a few minutes later same thing WTF? light changes I go then the car starts to shake for a minute but kept going, needless to say I start to worry. I get a few more mile and the shaking starts again and CEL starts blinking EPC on solid, car can barely move luckily I was close to the school and limped into the parking lot call Audi Care and they tow me in. Dealer checks out the car says cylinder 2 is misfiring they swap 2 and 3 cylinder spark plugs and the fault goes to cylinder 3 so they replace the spark plug then decided to move onto oil consumtion part 1 mind you I have an 011 and they had already stated they have not seen any 011 and up with oil consumption issues. I am like OK they change PCV and front seal, and of course overwrite my tune So I get the car back the following day (wednessday) I go to a store, ghet back in starts and on my way, I get 5 mile down the highway and here we go again car starts shaking EPC CEL, disco lights on the dash, etc... I shut it off and restart it and my P3 guage says 0302 (cylinder 2 misfire) call AC again and of course they were confused you just called us, no shit! broke again did not even make it home. I get towed in again, thursday not a word, today at noon they tell me me car is ready and that they had put 30 miles on it to be sure. Turns out the injector was bad, so the cylinder would not fire, the gas blew by the rings and into the crankcase so my oil got thinned out and was blowing by the rings on all of the cylinders hence the blue smoke and oil consumption. I had a few unexplained hesitations in the past which I guess was the injector starting to fail. So hopefully I am good to go with no future consumption issues as I never used oil before. So what gets me know is they really did not need to do the oil consumption part 1, and they overwrote my tune and likely got me flagged TD1 by hooking it up to the computer. They even mentioned they had just received new software from Audi to find tunes for the purposes of TD1. These guys have been great and have covered evrything but I am afraid next time it will not be up to them. Although I can not see how the tune would have thing to do with the injector but.... This just sucks because its stuff like this that fuels the TD1 fire they performed unnecessary work under warranty on what is surely now a known tuned car. By the way the car really runs great now it must have been kind of going for a little while now and I really did not notice it as it happens so fast when on the gas.

[maga4]

Wow, that is crazy. When you talk about the "unexplained hesitations," were they minor but very noticeable, or would you describe them as severe? I've felt what I would describe as hiccups sometimes.

Seems there have been a handful of cylinder misfires lately; but it seems like most have been fixed with spark plugs. Wonder if yours was just a fluke or if there is something more with the injectors that we will start seeing...

[NPuter]

Just an FYI: take the MMI oil level reading with a grain of salt. Mine regularly fluctuates. You only need to add oil if the car tells you too.

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[jlaudio]

just hope that with the fuel and oil mixing and lack of lubrication you didnt gouge cylinder walls or anything like that

[craigr812]

Just an FYI: take the MMI oil level reading with a grain of salt. Mine regularly fluctuates. You only need to add oil if the car tells you too.

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Is this really the case? If so, where did you read/hear that you only add oil when the car tells you to? I used to never have this problem and the car would notify me right on schedule with the gauge reading. Recently though (including right now), it has been inching toward to the minimum, and has not told me to add oil like it would have in the past.

I have been adding oil when I see the gauge is low, and I too have been seeing quick drops. So, I would really like for you to be right, but I just want to know where you heard/saw this. Thanks.

[UmIsThisThingOn]

Just an FYI: take the MMI oil level reading with a grain of salt. Mine regularly fluctuates. You only need to add oil if the car tells you too.

Is this really the case? If so, where did you read/hear that you only add oil when the car tells you to? I used to never have this problem and the car would notify me right on schedule with the gauge reading. Recently though (including right now), it has been inching toward to the minimum, and has not told me to add oil like it would have in the past.

I have been adding oil when I see the gauge is low, and I too have been seeing quick drops. So, I would really like for you to be right, but I just want to know where you heard/saw this. Thanks.

I think what NPuter is saying is, get the dipstick and that way you can be certain of the amount of oil in the car. I check my oil a few times a week in the MMI, and if it appears to be less than half of the bar, I'll dbl check w/ the dipstick. Add as needed - I don't wait for the car to tell me to add oil. IMO, being half a qt low is too much.

[dracolnyte]

my dealer wanted me to pay for my injectors after they found out I was TD1

[GMetry]

Long Story, Saturday I notice I have no oil showing on the MMI and I am half way to an oil change so I add a quart ( have never had to add oil). Monday I get to work and the guy that was behind me on the way in says "hey are you burning oil? I saw a big puff of blue smoke come out of your car" I say oh thats a known issue with model but I have not had a problem..... With this on my mind when heading home I check the MMI and I am already 1/3 of the way down. I immediately call the dealer and they can not get me in until Wednessday, OK. Tuesday I am taking the kid to school am sitting at a light and all of a sudden it feels like someone hit the car a few minutes later same thing WTF? light changes I go then the car starts to shake for a minute but kept going, needless to say I start to worry. I get a few more mile and the shaking starts again and CEL starts blinking EPC on solid, car can barely move luckily I was close to the school and limped into the parking lot call Audi Care and they tow me in. Dealer checks out the car says cylinder 2 is misfiring they swap 2 and 3 cylinder spark plugs and the fault goes to cylinder 3 so they replace the spark plug then decided to move onto oil consumtion part 1 mind you I have an 011 and they had already stated they have not seen any 011 and up with oil consumption issues. I am like OK they change PCV and front seal, and of course overwrite my tune So I get the car back the following day (wednessday) I go to a store, ghet back in starts and on my way, I get 5 mile down the highway and here we go again car starts shaking EPC CEL, disco lights on the dash, etc... I shut it off and restart it and my P3 guage says 0302 (cylinder 2 misfire) call AC again and of course they were confused you just called us, no shit! broke again did not even make it home. I get towed in again, thursday not a word, today at noon they tell me me car is ready and that they had put 30 miles on it to be sure. Turns out the injector was bad, so the cylinder would not fire, the gas blew by the rings and into the crankcase so my oil got thinned out and was blowing by the rings on all of the cylinders hence the blue smoke and oil consumption. I had a few unexplained hesitations in the past which I guess was the injector starting to fail. So hopefully I am good to go with no future consumption issues as I never used oil before. So what gets me know is they really did not need to do the oil consumption part 1, and they overwrote my tune and likely got me flagged TD1 by hooking it up to the computer. They even mentioned they had just received new software from Audi to find tunes for the purposes of TD1. These guys have been great and have covered evrything but I am afraid next time it will not be up to them. Although I can not see how the tune would have thing to do with the injector but.... This just sucks because its stuff like this that fuels the TD1 fire they performed unnecessary work under warranty on what is surely now a known tuned car. By the way the car really runs great now it must have been kind of going for a little while now and I really did not notice it as it happens so fast when on the gas.

I had the same exact issue. Were you driving and felt as if your rear was lagging behind while "EPC" showed up for about a second and then disappeared in nearly the same instant? Go to tap the gas and notice that only your car is on but the engine seems to have shut itself off? My dealer stated to me that it was a Oil Pump failure which caused my engine to trip and turn off, even though my car was on. I would bring this up to Audi as it sounds a lot like the issue I had.

[QUA77RO]

just hope that with the fuel and oil mixing and lack of lubrication you didnt gouge cylinder walls or anything like that

^This... There has to be some scoring. Any number of other systems may have been affected. Oil pump, valves, cams, turbine bearings and seals, catalytic converter, etc.

I think what NPuter is saying is, get the dipstick and that way you can be certain of the amount of oil in the car. I check my oil a few times a week in the MMI, and if it appears to be less than half of the bar, I'll dbl check w/ the dipstick. Add as needed - I don't wait for the car to tell me to add oil. IMO, being half a qt low is too much.

I agree. Add oil if your MMI says you are low. A dipstick would have made it much easier to spot fuel in the oil sooner. A self-cleaning dipstick that smells like unleaded

I need to fix Audi's mistake and get a dipstick from ECS. I check my oil level every time I fill up the tank. I rarely see a change but occasionally MMI will indicate that it could use a splash so I top it up if it's still even slightly low when I get home. If it's level when I get home, I assume that the gas station was slighlty sloped and carry on.

[FourRingThing]

Wow, that is crazy. When you talk about the "unexplained hesitations," were they minor but very noticeable, or would you describe them as severe? I've felt what I would describe as hiccups sometimes.

Seems there have been a handful of cylinder misfires lately; but it seems like most have been fixed with spark plugs. Wonder if yours was just a fluke or if there is something more with the injectors that we will start seeing...

The hiccup description is very accurate

[FourRingThing]

my dealer wanted me to pay for my injectors after they found out I was TD1

Now that's just BS there

[FourRingThing]

^This... There has to be some scoring. Any number of other systems may have been affected. Oil pump, valves, cams, turbine bearings and seals, catalytic converter, etc.



I agree. Add oil if your MMI says you are low. A dipstick would have made it much easier to spot fuel in the oil sooner. A self-cleaning dipstick that smells like unleaded

I need to fix Audi's mistake and get a dipstick from ECS. I check my oil level every time I fill up the tank. I rarely see a change but occasionally MMI will indicate that it could use a splash so I top it up if it's still even slightly low when I get home. If it's level when I get home, I assume that the gas station was slighlty sloped and carry on.

I am ordering a dipstick today

[FourRingThing]

My car runs well now but it is smoking like a lot, I called the dealer and their Audi Master Mechanic is coming to the house this morning to deliver a loaner and take my car back wish me luck.........

It feels good to get the support but my car is Ill and that just sucks balls

[NPuter]

Is this really the case? If so, where did you read/hear that you only add oil when the car tells you to? I used to never have this problem and the car would notify me right on schedule with the gauge reading. Recently though (including right now), it has been inching toward to the minimum, and has not told me to add oil like it would have in the past.

I have been adding oil when I see the gauge is low, and I too have been seeing quick drops. So, I would really like for you to be right, but I just want to know where you heard/saw this. Thanks.

Ultra told me this. And he works for Audi... I've seen my oil meter go up and down regularly. I had one instance where I was driving in a parking garage and did not see a speed bump. I slammed into it and thought for sure that I had cracked/damaged my oil pan, so I monitored the MMI oil gauge. I freaked out when it went from about half full to nothing in two days, but I had no oil on my garage floor. I posed about it here, and was told to not look at the MMI oil gauge. The car will tell you when you need to add a quart. I went on for almost another thousand miles before the car told me to add oil. You don't have to check/decide on you own to add oil - believe me, the car will tell you when to add a quart; it has happend to me several times now.

[FourRingThing]

This morning I was curious if the car smoked when cold, I fired it up no smoke I drove it around the block and no smoke, hmmm. I went back home thought WTF? Figured I better drive some more went for some spirited driving and 10 minutes in nothing I am starting to think maybe it burned of an all is well, then after about a total of 15 minutes driving I get to a light and oh my here comes the smoke big time. Correct me ifmI am wrong but if it was the cylinders, rings, etc. it would smoke right from the get go right?

[TCHUN003]

How many miles do you have on the car? I have 25k and I'm thinking about going a temp range colder on my next plugs.

[FourRingThing]

How many miles do you have on the car? I have 25k and I'm thinking about going a temp range colder on my next plugs.

17,500

[iconoclast]

How many miles do you have on the car? I have 25k and I'm thinking about going a temp range colder on my next plugs.

why colder?

[farbaj]

I agree...I do the same here. Check MMI and then double check with the dipstick.

[TCHUN003]

why colder?

Ppl with tuned engines produce a lot of heat and I guess a heat range colder makes the car run a lot better...at least it really made a difference on my B6, plus the mpg's went from 21 to 26 after changing to NGK BKR7E copper plugs.

[FourRingThing]

Ppl with tuned engines produce a lot of heat and I guess a heat range colder makes the car run a lot better...at least it really made a difference on my B6, plus the mpg's went from 21 to 26 after changing to NGK BKR7E copper plugs.

Probably just a coincidence but I remember when I got my boat with a Yamaha 200 HPDI (High Pressure Direct Injection) they changed to this very plug due to issues with carbon buildup just saying same technology right? High pressure fuel directly into the cylinder, interesting as we have similar issues with this motor, everyone always added http://http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Ring-Additive-32oz-ACC-RNGFR-32-00/dp/B002GUCLH2 to keep carbon buildup at bay.

[iconoclast]

Ppl with tuned engines produce a lot of heat and I guess a heat range colder makes the car run a lot better...at least it really made a difference on my B6, plus the mpg's went from 21 to 26 after changing to NGK BKR7E copper plugs.

gotcha, i wasnt aware of this and i was always under the impression on DI engines a hotter plug would help mitigate build-up.

[maga4]

Ppl with tuned engines produce a lot of heat and I guess a heat range colder makes the car run a lot better...at least it really made a difference on my B6, plus the mpg's went from 21 to 26 after changing to NGK BKR7E copper plugs.

This is interesting; I have been wondering about this. Are these the same plugs we would use in our engines now, or were those specific to the 1.8? Thanks!

[TCHUN003]

Probably just a coincidence but I remember when I got my boat with a Yamaha 200 HPDI (High Pressure Direct Injection) they changed to this very plug due to issues with carbon buildup just saying same technology right? High pressure fuel directly into the cylinder, interesting as we have similar issues with this motor, everyone always added http://http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Ring-Additive-32oz-ACC-RNGFR-32-00/dp/B002GUCLH2 to keep carbon buildup at bay.

Interesting, I want to look into that! BTW I just bought this catch can on eBay to prevent any further carbon build up. Not bad for $35 shipped
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SQUARE-BLACK...00768201794%26

gotcha, i wasnt aware of this and i was always under the impression on DI engines a hotter plug would help mitigate build-up.

Ya, the engine makes heat, but it needs more heat than it produces to prevent the carbon build up. I'm not certain, but running a colder range plug won't affect the heat that the engine produces, it will still be hot. I might not know what I'm talking about though lol hopefully Dave or Greg from eurocode can chime in.

This is interesting; I have been wondering about this. Are these the same plugs we would use in our engines now, or were those specific to the 1.8? Thanks!

These plugs aren't specific to the 1.8T's and we can use them on our cars. I just don't know how much of a benefit there would be. I'll try NGK BKR7E's in a few hundred miles when I do an oil change and get back to you guys. I hear we might not need it for direct injection cars, but I'll try it anyways.

[FourRingThing]

Well time for an update, I am getting a new engine....... I took the car back after they found the bad injector as the car was running fine but it was smoking. It took them a few days to get that far as they were talking to AofA every step of the way. they took the engine totally apart and the #2 cyclinder which had the bad injector had a broken piston ring (the bottom sandwich looking one) there are 3 rings on these 2 normal on top for compression and one on the bottom to wipe the oil off of the cylinder wall. They believe that the injector was flooding that cylinder with fuel washing all the lubrication from the cylinder and causing it to get realy hot damaging the ring and the piston (a piece broke off the bottom of the piston. Amazingly the car ran great except for the smoke. The are changing the "long Block" (top and bottom of engine) the support has been excellent mods and all. the good news was that the internals of the engine looked incredible like new as a matter of fact I looked at all of the pistons, valves, cylinders etc.. with the exception of cylinder 2 of course, but even that was just the piston and 1 of 3 rings, everything else looked fabulous after ~ 18K miles. I wish I had taken pictures but it was kind of overwhelming to se the car in a few hunderd pieces. Audi is send the engine to Germany for analysis, I was told they would likely call me at a later date. I was told that they "discussed" my tune and that all parties believed it had nothing to do with this issue and that was all they had to say about that........

[NPuter]

Well time for an update, I am getting a new engine....... I took the car back after they found the bad injector as the car was running fine but it was smoking. It took them a few days to get that far as they were talking to AofA every step of the way. they took the engine totally apart and the #2 cyclinder which had the bad injector had a broken piston ring (the bottom sandwich looking one) there are 3 rings on these 2 normal on top for compression and one on the bottom to wipe the oil off of the cylinder wall. They believe that the injector was flooding that cylinder with fuel washing all the lubrication from the cylinder and causing it to get realy hot damaging the ring and the piston (a piece broke off the bottom of the piston. Amazingly the car ran great except for the smoke. The are changing the "long Block" (top and bottom of engine) the support has been excellent mods and all. the good news was that the internals of the engine looked incredible like new as a matter of fact I looked at all of the pistons, valves, cylinders etc.. with the exception of cylinder 2 of course, but even that was just the piston and 1 of 3 rings, everything else looked fabulous after ~ 18K miles. I wish I had taken pictures but it was kind of overwhelming to se the car in a few hunderd pieces. Audi is send the engine to Germany for analysis, I was told they would likely call me at a later date. I was told that they "discussed" my tune and that all parties believed it had nothing to do with this issue and that was all they had to say about that........

Wow you got lucky! I guess it's good that Audi isn't being unreasonable with this TD1 thing.

[iconoclast]

FRT: great news for you, glad it worked out so well and almost too easily... hopefully the new long block will be the updated version the latest ones received and you should be well on your way to some trouble-free miles. keep us up to date on the outcome.

[name.goes.here]

FourRingThing - good for you! Were you given any idea as to when your car would be back on the road?

[duffman1101]

Yikes, crazy story. Glad they're taking care of you. How long till fixed? Did you at least get a sweet loaner?

[TCHUN003]

I'm so glad they're taking care of this for you....I wonder what could've caused all this to happen. Keep us posted!

[FourRingThing]

FourRingThing - good for you! Were you given any idea as to when your car would be back on the road?

I could get it as early as tomorrow, the motor was supposed to arrive today.

[maga4]

Awesome! Sounds like the first major warranty issue with a TD1 and AoA and the dealer did the right thing...and now we all have precedence ha. Glad to hear all is working out.

[FourRingThing]

Yaaaa, I got my car back yesterday and all I can say is Wow!!! This baby runs great, I have no doubt this motor pulls harder than the original per the but dyno. Its actually feels close to where I was with the APR tune before things went south. I am going to break her in awhile before I get her reflashed. I can not say enough about how great the service department was throughout the process. the did an awesome detail job inside and out on my car before giving it back. I an now an Audi guy for life it is sooo nice to be taken care of.

[Beef Supreme]

Good to hear they took care of you.

[duffman1101]

congrats. any tips on how you got them to take car of your despite TD1?