Building a methanol injected "upgraded" RS6-R S4

[Zero Tolerance]

The original thread is here:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...d-Tial-770R-S4

And all that happened there was six months of waiting for the bottom half of the engine to be rebuilt. There was a lot of wasted time (like the shop taking 30 days to order the parts from 034 while my car sat there) - and this and that - but that's all in the past now.

BUILD INFORMATION:

The motor was rebuilt and blueprinted with the following parts purchased from 034 Motorsport:
ROD SET, IE V6 154 — 154MM X 21MM FORGED CONNECTING RODS, AUDI V6
ROD BEARING SET — AUDI V6 ROD BEARING SET, COATED
MAIN BEARING SET — COATED MAIN BEARING SET, GLYCO, AUDI V6
HEAD STUDS, 2.7T — HEAD STUD KIT, AUDI 2.7T RWE-1051
HEAD GASKET KIT — CYLINDER HEAD GASKET SET, 2.7T, Q2 REQUIRED – *** INCLUDES MLS HEAD GASKETS ***
PISTON SET, JE V6 — JE FORGED PISTON SET, 2.7T – 82.0MM BORE / – 86.4MM STROKE / – 9.0:1 COMPRESSION RATIO – TOOL-STEEL WRIST PINS
PISTON COATING — JE THERMAL BARRIER CROWN COATING, JE TUFF SKIRT COATING
2 x Motor Mount, Density Line, B5 (Street Density)
2 x Transmission Mount, Density Line, B5 (Street Density)

Stage 3 parts:
- 034 Motorsport Cold Air Intake X34F Fiberglass – MAF Housing: RS4 or 85mm
- 034 Motorsport MAF hose for B5 RS4
- 034 Motorsport Billet Aluminum Diverter Valves (Pair)
- 034 Motorsport MAF Housing, Billet Aluminum for 2.7T Hitachi or Bosch, 85mm ID – MAF Element: Bosch – MAF Housing Adapter: None
- 034 Motorsport Coil Conversion & ICM Delete Kit, 2.7T to 2.0T FSI Coils
- 034 Motorsport Carbon Fiber Y-Pipe B5-RS4 Replica
- JH Motorsport Lightweight Flywheel and Stage 3 Clutch Combo w B7 RS4 Pressure Plate
- JH Motorsport Solid Short Throw Shifter, B5 S4, Early Style – Shifter Height: Normal – OEM Base for Pre 2000
- JH Motorsport RS6-R Turbos
- JH Motorsport Two Piece Lightweight Slotted Rotors
- Techtonics Exhaust – Cat-Back – JHM Stainless Steel True Dual 2.5 inch System – Downpipe Connection: Dual 2.5″
- Evolution Racewerks Side Mount Intercooler Kit w/o shrouds
- Coolant Sensor (Updated Green)
- Bosch 044 Motorsport Drop In Fuel Pump
- APR Bi-Pipes
- Devil's Own Methanol Injection System with 50/50 water mix
- Bosch EB 630cc 14 fuel injectors
- NGK V-Power spark plugs
- AR Design 3” Downpipes
- AP Racing 6600 Front Big Brake Kit
- New Turbo Inlet Hoses
- New Head Studs and Gaskets
- New Primary Oxygen Sensors
- New Clutch Fan and Fan Blade
- All new Coolant Reservoir Hoses, Reservoir Tank and Cap
- New Dunlop Direzza ZII 225/45R-17

Note from Velocity Factor (original installer):
Key notes: Calibration of the ECU for large MAF housing without grids and the fact that the engine has a larger bore and different compression. The bore is .020 and the compression is 9.0 to 1

Other notes:
The intake manifold was glass beaded; new runners were opened up a little and ported.
Re-done Cylinder heads with new Valve Guides, Seals and Lifters.

Weight Savings:
- Besides the already mentioned lightweight flywheel:
- Corbeau A4 seats in black leather (26lbs each)
- O.Z. Ultraleggera wheels in bright silver (17.1lbs each)
- Real Carbon fiber hood (to be painted Santorin Blue)
- Lightweight battery relocated to the trunk
- Sunroof delete
- Carbon fiber driveshaft
- I believe my brakes and exhaust may be lighter than stock as well. Not entirely sure.

[tekazgtr1984]

Oh, I can't wait to see the finished product. That's a lotta mods!

Colour me jealous.

[Zero Tolerance]

I'm anxious myself. This is phase 1. Phase 2 will be rebuilding the transmission, the upper half of the engine and getting some upgraded pieces of that puzzle. I'll be looking for advice on all of that as well.

The exterior is getting some updates as well. The headlights and taillights in the following videos will be used:
http://youtu.be/A2ry8hLZjcc
http://youtu.be/cv9H0vAj9I4

They look classy to me but not everybody will like them. Oh and LED fog lights are waiting to be installed as well.

[S4 00 2.7]

Nice build you got there. I will follow this for sure.

[01xSilverS4]

^x2! You have a nice list of parts here. I was kind of curious on one thing though. How come the 2.5" dp's opposed to say a 3"?

[Zero Tolerance]

ARDesign suggested true dual 2.5" pipes over a 3" single exhaust so we just matched the diameter everywhere. I did some reading before I placed the order and it seems there are two different groups who believe one way is better than the other. If this way doesn't work out there's always the other way.

Oh and believe it or not, I didn't want an extremely loud exhaust... I don't want to attract more attention than I already will be.

[jibberjive]

ARDesign suggested

What email address/other communication avenue are you using to get a hold of Shawn at ARD? I'm having some trouble getting him to refund a security payment I made for him to send me a set of bipipes to replace a faulty set of bipipes that I bought from him earlier.

And don't send me a PM, my box is full and I don't have time to go through and clear it out. Just post it here, or email me at jibberjive at aol dot com.

[UkuRiSh]

Nice list Good Luck man .

[hcaudikeed]

From other threads, I gather money isn't really an issue. Curious as to why you went with the devil's own kit over, say, an aquamist kit. I went with a coolingmist stage 2 kit. Which bipipes and injectors did you go with?

[stevesS4]

I'm jelly bro looks like a really nice build, glad it's finally coming along.

[Zero Tolerance]

From other threads, I gather money isn't really an issue. Curious as to why you went with the devil's own kit over, say, an aquamist kit. I went with a coolingmist stage 2 kit. Which bipipes and injectors did you go with?

AR Design also suggested Devil's Own. I wanted the latest and greatest Aquamist but I think they were trying to save me money. I don't know. I think I have a pretty good setup with some sort of fail safe in place. Basically I went with whatever 034 and AR Design suggested.

[sektor M7]

AR Design= Shawn= ex Vast "tech" employee=blew Alex Z car up multiple times=lawsuit=settled= plus a box of parts and a shelll= Vast gone=Shawn=search Vast tech sales=endless alias accounts to hype a non proven product=banned a hundred times=blatantly ripped off/copied a certain canadian tuners header design who had the first GTcars running successfully and claimed it is his design=incompetant fool who does not understand the principles of a Otto engine.

Good luck or better run as fast as you can.

[Zero Tolerance]

Heh heh! This should be an interesting run... Let's see what happens. If the car sucks, I'll start over. :p

[tico]

Heh heh! This should be an interesting run... Let's see what happens. If the car sucks, I'll start over. :p

what do you currently drive? why did you sell the 770 turbos? it makes more sense to build up the motor for the 770s thant for anything else. The power will be limited by the turbo(RS6-R) itself.

[Zero Tolerance]

what do you currently drive? why did you sell the 770 turbos? it makes more sense to build up the motor for the 770s thant for anything else. The power will be limited by the turbo(RS6-R) itself.

I drive a full-size luxury sedan. I hate to say it but I fell for the whole "LAG NONSENSE" when it comes to big turbos. That and you have some really outspoken people out there constantly criticizing Tials. So, yeah I fell for it. For some stupid reason I completely disregarded the fact that I could simply DOWN SHIFT to be where the power is. You know - rocket science. I suppose all that hard work is too much for some people.

Then again, I was very impressed by the 10.8 run by JHM and maybe I WILL enjoy the earlier onset of power with the RS6-Rs. I'm willing to spend the money to see how things go. If I were to start all over again, I'd go with a built VR6 and a bigger set of turbos.

I'm hoping that with the larger compressor wheel, methanol injection and a strong tune from J-Fonz, the car will be fast. If it isn't fast enough for me I'll make changed.

[tico]

I drive a full-size luxury sedan. I hate to say it but I fell for the whole "LAG NONSENSE" when it comes to big turbos. That and you have some really outspoken people out there constantly criticizing Tials. So, yeah I fell for it. For some stupid reason I completely disregarded the fact that I could simply DOWN SHIFT to be where the power is. You know - rocket science. I suppose all that hard work is too much for some people.

Then again, I was very impressed by the 10.8 run by JHM and maybe I WILL enjoy the earlier onset of power with the RS6-Rs. I'm willing to spend the money to see how things go. If I were to start all over again, I'd go with a built VR6 and a bigger set of turbos.

I'm hoping that with the larger compressor wheel, methanol injection and a strong tune from J-Fonz, the car will be fast. If it isn't fast enough for me I'll make changed.

Why a B5 S4 to run 10s? Also, to run 10s it takes more than a bunch of aftermarket parts. You should buy yourself a GTR or a 911 and if you can shift a ZR1 is good option. Also, you sound like money is not an issue for you you can get a Twin Turbo or Supercharged R8. Maybe a visit to Italy to see if they let you get into the Italian club cars.

[Zero Tolerance]

Why a B5 S4 to run 10s? Also, to run 10s it takes more than a bunch of aftermarket parts. You should buy yourself a GTR or a 911 and if you can shift a ZR1 is good option. Also, you sound like money is not an issue for you you can get a Twin Turbo or Supercharged R8. Maybe a visit to Italy to see if they let you get into the Italian club cars.

I like sleepers. A 10 second B5 S4 will impress me more than an 9 second GTR or ZR1.

[Zero Tolerance]

Oh and just to note: I originally emailed "a vendor who doesn't want to be mentioned" asking how long it would take to ship their GT28RS kit. Some guy got back to me the same night and convinced me to go with RS6-Rs. At that time I was still going back and forth with what I really wanted and he made my decision very easy. I'm always watching what people have to say about their setups and will definitely keep all my options opened as to what I go with next if I'm not satisfied with the current build. I still want to give some attention to the upper half of the motor before determining whether or not I'm satisfied with the RS6-Rs.

[s4930]

What made you pick velocity factor?

[Zero Tolerance]

What made you pick velocity factor?

Proximity, proximity, proximity... I figured how difficult could it be to bolt on a bunch of parts. If I had the right tools and space, I'd have done it myself. I passed up a couple of good shops, including USP Motorsports, to give Velocity Factor a shot at this. Felipe, the owner, is a good guy. I am a very good judge of character. It's my God given talent. I feel comfortable having him work on my car. I only wish he was a little quicker when dealing with me. I kinda feel like an afterthought as my car does a WHOLE lot of sitting there being untouched.

[TLO03]

You are about to find out how hard it is to bolt up some parts. He maybe a good guy but that dosent mean he's a good stg3 guy. I mentioned to you before these things always take longer than you think, and it did. Now i will tell you just because a stg3 car is back together dosen't mean it will ready to rip.

[Zero Tolerance]

Yes, I can afford those cars. For now. Nobody knows what the future brings. I'd love for my S4 to be in the 10s at one point or another - but honestly - I'd be ecstatic with low 11s as well. I'm aiming high, I know...

I do have pictures of my fastest cars but they were all basically sleepers - so nothing astonishing like a Lamborghini or Ferrari.

[tico]

Yes, I can afford those cars. For now. Nobody knows what the future brings. I'd love for my S4 to be in the 10s at one point or another - but honestly - I'd be ecstatic with low 11s as well. I'm aiming high, I know...

I do have pictures of my fastest cars but they were all basically sleepers - so nothing astonishing like a Lamborghini or Ferrari.

Civics?

[Zero Tolerance]

Civics?

Mostly GMs and a BMW. All stuff you see so often you get tired of.

[Zero Tolerance]

Just received an email from Velocity Factor. They're selling me a wideband, polyurethane motor and transmission mounts. What's in store for this week? The installation of turbos, sidemounts, clutch and long block back into the car. Hopefully all goes well. If so, this will be the most productive week out of all 23 so far...

[tico]

Just received an email from Velocity Factor. They're selling me a wideband, polyurethane motor and transmission mounts. What's in store for this week? The installation of turbos, sidemounts, clutch and long block back into the car. Hopefully all goes well. If so, this will be the most productive week out of all 23 so far...

build ups w/out pics are boring. just saying. A man with all that "money" might have at least a chinesse Iphone

[Zero Tolerance]

If I were you I would of pulled the car long time ago from them, that is crazy BS time frame for this build!

Yeah. It's been awhile but now that they're getting started, let's see what they can do.

build ups w/out pics are boring. just saying. A man with all that "money" might have at least a chinesse Iphone

They're supposed to be sending me pictures as they go along. Hopefully they do. They're not exactly around the corner or I'd be there taking pictures myself.

I just ordered engine/transmission mounts from 034 and they're shipping overnight. So they'll really have every single thing they need to move forward by tomorrow morning.

[AWDLAUNCH]

If I were you I would of pulled the car long time ago from them, that is crazy BS time frame for this build!

[TLO03]

If I were you I would of pulled the car long time ago from them, that is crazy BS time frame for this build!

X10

[s4930]

im pumped to see your build.. do you live in boca? im in parkland..

[Zero Tolerance]

im pumped to see your build.. do you live in boca? im in parkland..

I live right in the area. We'll get a few of us to PBIR one day soon.

[BRSFour]

i like your style. i'll be building mine with RS6-Rs and all sorts of other goodies in May of next year. good luck with everything! i hope you're happy with the end result!

[Zero Tolerance]

i like your style. i'll be building mine with RS6-Rs and all sorts of other goodies in May of next year. good luck with everything! i hope you're happy with the end result!

Thanks. I'll keep this thread updated with everything concerning the build.

[s4930]

Hey I read your blog do you still have the carbon hood?

[Zero Tolerance]

Hey I read your blog do you still have the carbon hood?

Sorry, I don't...

[Jupiteraudi]

Zero,

On a positive note, by allowing Velocity to complete the build it eliminates other shops from casting blame on others.

Doing anything with your exhaust manifolds? Keeping the stockers? I didn't see anything on your mod list unless I missed it.

[s4930]

Zero,

On a positive note, by allowing Velocity to complete the build it eliminates other shops from casting blame on others.

Doing anything with your exhaust manifolds? Keeping the stockers? I didn't see anything on your mod list unless I missed it.

this is true! the worse thing you can do it take your car from shop to shop.. i wonder if 2.8 mani's could be adapted to rs6's

[Zero Tolerance]

Zero,

On a positive note, by allowing Velocity to complete the build it eliminates other shops from casting blame on others.

Doing anything with your exhaust manifolds? Keeping the stockers? I didn't see anything on your mod list unless I missed it.

I hear ya. I could always give another shop "phase 2" to work on if Velocity Factor doesn't speed things up. The intake manifolds were cleaned and glass beaded. They look cleaner than factory. :p The runners were opened up a little and ported but there was no reason to take them any further as the intake ports on my heads are factory size. By going any further on the manifolds the air would hit a rather larger lip on the intake ports as they'd be much smaller then the intake runner ports (they wouldnt match). When I'm ready, somebody from "a vendor who doesn't want to be mentioned" is going to do a full rework on the manifolds and throttle body to where they'll out perform RS4 equivalents.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

I'm confused... you bought JHM RS6-R's and then you had them modified once again with even bigger compressor wheels?

Find of playing with fire here don't you think?

[Zero Tolerance]

I'm confused... you bought JHM RS6-R's and then you had them modified once again with even bigger compressor wheels?

Find of playing with fire here don't you think?

No, I purchased RS6-Rs that were already in "a vendor who doesn't want to be mentioned"'s possession and they did the modifying with an even bigger compressor wheel. Playing with fire? Maybe. I don't care.