frankenturbo vs elim -STATS

[spinall4]

Please state any experience and actual #'s you have had with either of the turbos. Also the difference in price, and what would be better for a dd/occasional track car. Also does anybody offer an ots tune for the franks yet?

[Turbwhistle]

I am interested in this question also.

[Seerlah]

No personal experience, but the Frankenturbo F4 will never be able to flow what the GTRS/GT71R can. And no OTS tune for the Frankenturbo, but Unitronics is working on it (so they say).

posted 8/31/2011

We do not have a specific software for these turbo yet on longitudinal engine. Work is in progress and it should be available shortly.

[Turbo Nerd]

Stock motor GT2871 Elim 18 psi... I walked a K04'd Uni Jetta pretty good, put bus lengths on a APR stage 1 S4, and walked a GIAC stage 2 S4, walked a MK6 GTI (APR stage 2+, carbino, HPFP, TBE, light weight wheels ect.). I can tell you numerous cars I beat but I never felt the full potential of this turbo since it was on a K04 tune (ran like piss in high rpm). I want to see what it will do with a built motor and high boost which is one of the reasons I don't want to ditch the setup just this second.

[biketsai]

Stock motor GT2871 Elim 18 psi... I walked a K04'd Uni Jetta pretty good, put bus lengths on a APR stage 1 S4, and walked a GIAC stage 2 S4, walked a MK6 GTI (APR stage 2+, carbino, HPFP, TBE, light weight wheels ect.). I can tell you numerous cars I beat but I never felt the full potential of this turbo since it was on a K04 tune (ran like piss in high rpm). I want to see what it will do with a built motor and high boost which is one of the reasons I don't want to ditch the setup just this second.

I wish my tune would run even close to that!

[CamrideA4]

I've got about $2400 into my FT setup (that's including the FMIC that I haven't installed yet) and my car was bone stock to start. I can't comment on the price of an elim since I've never had one. There is no off the shelf tune yet, but as mentioned Uni is working on one (I wouldn't hold your breath though, it seems to be taking them a while).

As far as performance I don't have any dyno's yet but I will get one once my FMIC is installed and Malone finishes tweaking my tune. Right now I don't have any problem beating my brother-in-law's 2011 GTI (stock) by a few car lengths to 60mph. I haven't raced anyone else though, but the car feels great. The FT will hit max spool (whatever you want that to be) by 3,000rpm. For a DD I think it's great (as that's what mine is). I'm very happy with the amount on money spent and the performance I've gotten, especially know it'll get much better once my IATs are under control with the FMIC.

[spinall4]

Stock motor GT2871 Elim 18 psi... I walked a K04'd Uni Jetta pretty good, put bus lengths on a APR stage 1 S4, and walked a GIAC stage 2 S4, walked a MK6 GTI (APR stage 2+, carbino, HPFP, TBE, light weight wheels ect.). I can tell you numerous cars I beat but I never felt the full potential of this turbo since it was on a K04 tune (ran like piss in high rpm). I want to see what it will do with a built motor and high boost which is one of the reasons I don't want to ditch the setup just this second.

Apr s4 not really impressive, but a stg2 giac s4 now we are talking a solid 110mph trapping car and you walked one? Thats impressive! I am now on my third b5 1.8t and also had a 01 s4 6spd and i ran a 13.8 @100 bone stock was def a fun car, but could not work on it myself and maintenance/labor/parts were just way to much money. I mean really $6000 for a turbo replacement job, $1500 for aftermarket downpipes wtf lol.

[spinall4]

Turbonerd any pics or vids of it in action?

[M-Hood]

Has anyone tried running a FT on a APR stage 3(GT28r) tune?

[dcampana]

My mods are below. At 25psi I ran a 12.74 at 109mph. That was a stock block and then I windowed the block in 3 spots. So now I am running another stock block (I know I know) butvat 19 psi. Its slower for sure but still pretty quick.

I bought used parts and have about 2200 in it.

[Turbwhistle]

Has anyone tried running a FT on a APR stage 3(GT28r) tune?

We should try this, you can use my car as a test car.

[vinny.dtw]

Stock motor GT2871 Elim 18 psi... I walked a K04'd Uni Jetta pretty good, put bus lengths on a APR stage 1 S4, and walked a GIAC stage 2 S4, walked a MK6 GTI (APR stage 2+, carbino, HPFP, TBE, light weight wheels ect.). I can tell you numerous cars I beat but I never felt the full potential of this turbo since it was on a K04 tune (ran like piss in high rpm). I want to see what it will do with a built motor and high boost which is one of the reasons I don't want to ditch the setup just this second.

I'm impressed.

The tune must be called wishful thinking? . I haven't seen you in a while.

[Don Supreme]

put bus lengths on a APR stage 1 S4,

Without even knowing any actuals about this situation, I can tell you that S4 was broken. He was probably in limp mode running 5 psi.

[spinall4]

Without even knowing any actuals about this situation, I can tell you that S4 was broken. He was probably in limp mode running 5 psi.

Meh apr tune is crap i have seen run slower times than i did stock lol.

[vinny.dtw]

Meh apr tune is crap i have seen run slower times than i did stock lol.

Thats most likely attributed to the nut behind the wheel.

[flynnr]

with all of the technology these days, its crazy that we cant get videos of all of these claims...

but a gt871r running 25psi should be aroudn 400chp

giac stage 2 s4 is what 330chp?

[spinall4]

with all of the technology these days, its crazy that we cant get videos of all of these claims...

but a gt871r running 25psi should be aroudn 400chp

giac stage 2 s4 is what 330chp?

Pretty much but the s4 also has around 400 ft/lbs and a 6spd with better gearing

[Don Supreme]

Meh apr tune is crap i have seen run slower times than i did stock lol.

Well I had a gt71 elim A4, and I also had an APR chip on my S4 back when it was stock turbo.. I raced a gt71 elim a4s, running more than 18 psi and other faster A4 setups.. and they lost.

As I have said before on the forum. I have ran many A4s in my S4. While running the ko3 s4, I lost to a 35r A4 (stroked 2.0) (running low boost to boot), and a big Borg warner turbo s364 or something like that....

Now keep that in mind, there is NO WAY he put bus lengths on a properly running chipped b5 s4, with a half decent driver.... especially @ only 18 psi. I am not doubting his story, so the logical conclusion is that the car he raced was broken.

[spinall4]

Now keep that in mind, there is NO WAY he put bus length on a properly running chipped b5 s4, with a half decent driver.... especially @ only 18 psi. I am not doubting his story, so the logical conclusion is that the car he raced was broken.

/truth

[2BehindJordan]

Thats most likely attributed to the nut behind the wheel.

LOL

[ZimbutheMonkey]

Has anyone tried running a FT on a APR stage 3(GT28r) tune?

I can't speak for the Frankenturbo directly, but my K04 hybrid (which was very close to a F4L) was run most of it's life on an Upsolute GT28 tune. So if you're hinting that you can probably get away with it (and I'm preeetty sure you are ) , I'll agree with you 100% on that.

Personally, I think people are making way too big a deal over not being able to find a 'proper tune'. Really people, Audis aren't that 'special'. As long as you're running a MAF and the turbo you're running doesn't flow way more air at a given PSI than the file thinks it should be seeing (like 21 PSI on a K03 vs 21 PSI on a 71r), then it should work. It may require some logging and fiddling to make it perfect, but you can dial it in eventually.

Anyway, just saying that not having an OTS tune for a F4L is not a really good reason to pass on buying one. Also, remember that most of the OTS tunes are just that, OTS. It's not tuned exactly to your hardware anyway. So in any case you'll probably end up having to do a little legwork of your own to get it optimal no matter what canned file you get.

[The Wheelman]

2000 A4 atw car with a stock aeb motor, 71r elim, revo stg3 custom file, 550cc, 3 bar, 3 inch exhaust, FMIC, 2.5 inch ic piping, MBC, 3 inch intake after stock maf, forge dv, no emissions or pcv crap.

run it on 20 psi mostly, have run it on 24psi with no timing pull or knock on 93 octane but i'm keeping the timing numbers very low. car pulls real hard on the highway. dont have any numbers on it yet but its fasssssttt on 24psi and a 5500 rpm launch will spin all 4. going with a 01.5 awm harness and ecu for the wideband o2 and better software options.

a little laggy on the street and with a 6 puck copper clutch it can be a bitch to drive around town but i dont care. frankenturbos or any kkk turbo is gonna be easier to DD from faster boost response. i dont hit full boost until 5k rpm or so iirc havent driven it in awhile been parked with no exhaust on it

[CamrideA4]

I can't speak for the Frankenturbo directly, but my K04 hybrid (which was very close to a F4L) was run most of it's life on an Upsolute GT28 tune. So if you're hinting that you can probably get away with it (and I'm preeetty sure you are ) , I'll agree with you 100% on that.

Personally, I think people are making way too big a deal over not being able to find a 'proper tune'. Really people, Audis aren't that 'special'. As long as you're running a MAF and the turbo you're running doesn't flow way more air at a given PSI than the file thinks it should be seeing (like 21 PSI on a K03 vs 21 PSI on a 71r), then it should work. It may require some logging and fiddling to make it perfect, but you can dial it in eventually.

Anyway, just saying that not having an OTS tune for a F4L is not a really good reason to pass on buying one. Also, remember that most of the OTS tunes are just that, OTS. It's not tuned exactly to your hardware anyway. So in any case you'll probably end up having to do a little legwork of your own to get it optimal no matter what canned file you get.

Yep. Most of the time spent tuning my car with Malone has been dealing with part throttle issues and other things like that. WOT it runs great. There has been some tweaking there and testing with different boost levels, but overall it just runs great at WOT. I'm running between 225-235g/s through the MAF right now and it feels good. I'll be even happier once I get this damn FMIC installed tomorrow.

[Info@EuroCode]

We have run the REVO GTRS 550 file on the CH box with a 3bar FPR and the Frankenturbo performed flawlessly. I cannot imagine it making more than 250WHP though.

[coolgraymemo]

We have run the REVO GTRS 550 file on the CH box with a 3bar FPR and the Frankenturbo performed flawlessly. I cannot imagine it making more than 250WHP though.

If I was to put a FT setup on my car, that would be enough power for me.

Any tunes for nDBW cars?

[Info@EuroCode]

No tunes for any non drive by wire cars on the B5 chassis. REVO does not formally suppport Frankenturbo if you go with a REVO file it will be a semi home brew setup.

[ZimbutheMonkey]

Yep. Most of the time spent tuning my car with Malone has been dealing with part throttle issues and other things like that. WOT it runs great. There has been some tweaking there and testing with different boost levels, but overall it just runs great at WOT. I'm running between 225-235g/s through the MAF right now and it feels good. I'll be even happier once I get this damn FMIC installed tomorrow.

Funny how that works eh? It's been the same with my Eurodyne setup. Not that there were any problems with the base file per-se. But the first order of business was to try and optimize the off boost/part throttle response since 99% of my driving occurs there. Hell, with traffic the way it is where I live, sometimes I can go an entire day without ever getting a chance to put my foot down.

Strangely enough, my most daunting task so far has been tuning at idle. I put a VR6 TB on and the damn car refuses to idle at a set point. It keeps surging from 1000-1500 RPM. Problem is, I'm starting to think that Chris Tapp didn't access any maps necessary to change the idle in the ME3.8/5.2 release of Maestro.

[Turbo Nerd]

Without even knowing any actuals about this situation, I can tell you that S4 was broken. He was probably in limp mode running 5 psi.

Might of been in stock mode I'm not sure but I wouldn't lie to impress anybody. Also maybe it wasn't bus lengths but probably 5-6 cars and pulling (car was running healthy that day). When I ran the stage 2 the driver said his drive shaft was messed up or something so he couldn't shift to fast (something along those lines I don't remember it was last year). Yeah I'm not trying to say my car was faster than theirs but I did in fact beat them. The stage 2 car always ran like ass put it turbos 2 or 3 times and it's smoking again lol.

I'm not one to cause any drama and say my car is better than someone else's or anything along those lines. The car was getting faster and faster before my #1 rod decided he wanted to go to the moon (idk wtf he was thinking). Whatever we will see what's it like with a built motor, race gas, real tune, and high boost.

[Turbo Nerd]

I'm impressed.

The tune must be called wishful thinking? . I haven't seen you in a while.

What do you mean I'm on this site every night lol.

[vinny.dtw]

What do you mean I'm on this site every night lol.

in person jerk.

[Turbo Nerd]

I'm not sure if I know you. If your thinking this is Louis it isn't.

[vinny.dtw]

I'm not sure if I know you. If your thinking this is Louis it isn't.

Yea, I thought it was...oops?

[Shhmaudi]

This is my most recent win
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...at-a-B6-V8-S4!

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrSpeige.../5/m9GYGmNdtxo
And a lil montage I put together after I got my new exhaust and Go Pro
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrSpeige.../3/Jkl8bx-Y4kM

[Turbo Nerd]

Yea, I thought it was...oops?

I bought it from him last year.

[flynnr]

[QUOTE=Shhmaudi;6967978]This is my most recent win
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...at-a-B6-V8-S4!

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrSpeige.../5/m9GYGmNdtxo
And a lil montage I put together after I got my new exhaust and Go Pro
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrSpeige.../3/Jkl8bx-Y4kM[/QUOTE

you running a little rich? soudns good though.

[Shhmaudi]

you running a little rich? soudns good though.

Yea I am running a lil rich. How could you tell? I know its a lil off topic but how do you correct that with a 440cc unitronics tune on a 98? Its killing me when I go to down shift and rev match it hesitates and bogs a bit..

[flynnr]

It just sounded like itto me.

and you can see it in your video that you have some smoke coming out of your exhaust

i recommend getting an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. i had that same tune and I ran a bit rich too and tweaking my FPR helped a lot.

[Shhmaudi]

It just sounded like itto me.

and you can see it in your video that you have some smoke coming out of your exhaust

i recommend getting an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. i had that same tune and I ran a bit rich too and tweaking my FPR helped a lot.

Did you mount the FPR on the fuel rail? I forget what year was your last a4? Did you have a A/F gauge?

thanks for the help

I gues you can pm me if you wanna stay on topic here

[vinny.dtw]

I bought it from him last year.

Wait a second...this is Lou's brother isn't it?! lol

[flynnr]

Did you mount the FPR on the fuel rail? I forget what year was your last a4? Did you have a A/F gauge?

thanks for the help

I gues you can pm me if you wanna stay on topic here

last a4 was a 97. and no i didnt have an a/f gauge to be honest. i kept it pretty near what it was supposed to be, but just tweaked it a little bit and it felt much better