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    ** More pictures added ** DIY / Write up - StopTech ST-60 BBK

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    As some of you might have read from my other posts, when tracking my car I've ran into several instances where my stock brakes have faded and caused me some serious panic. Sky divers and bungee jumpers have nothing on the adrenaline rush you get going downhill into turn 2 at Laguna Seca/Mazda Raceway at over 120mph and stepping on your brake pedal to find nothing happening. No leg exercise can be beat the extreme 2 footed leg press applied on the brake pedal when your trying to slow down while staring straight at the concrete/tire wall behind turn 11 at Infineon. Even then, being the cheap bastard that I am, I figured I'd wait for my stock pads to wear out until I went for a BBK swap. I looked into several options and companies from Brembo, AP Racing, Alcon/Stasis, RS5, but in the end I ended up picking the StopTech ST-60. I run 18" Enkei RPF1 wheels for my track setup, and while they might be uglier than a war wound, they're extremely light weight. Also, as I previously mentioned I'm a cheap bastard and the 245/40/18" track tires I use are way cheaper than any 19" options. I went to the StopTech website and printed out the B8 template to make sure they cleared my RPF1's. I could have gone with the Brembo kit at this point but for what I needed from a brake kit, I wanted the biggest rotor/caliper as well as the highest number of pistons. I used the old adage of more is more. I called up ModBargains and Jason set me up with my ST-60 kit with silver calipers and slotted rotors. They had a great price on the kit and the customer service was excellent (not just saying that, Jason takes care of his customers). I'll also give thanks to AudiAnne who sold me 4 bottles of Motul RPF600 for only $30 (it's usually around $20 per bottle)!


    After installation. I went with silver to give it a clean and subtle look.


    Huge difference in the size of the rotors and the calipers. Bigger = better in this case.

    Hopefully this DIY helps. The instructions that StopTech provides in the box are very easy to follow and include all the tools you'll need as well as the torque specs.. I'll assume if your tackling this project yourself, you have some kind of decent mechanical background. If you don't, have a tech install this. Your life depends on your brakes functioning properly so now isn't the time to learn how to turn a wrench! That being said, the only special tools you might need besides your basic metric/standard sockets and wrenches is a 30-torx, torque wrench, brake cleaner, rubber mallet, and allen wrenches

    First, when you remove everything from the package, make sure you clean the rotor with soap and water, then finish it off with some brake cleaner. Once thats done your ready to get your car off the ground and onto some jack stands. Remove the front wheels and keep the rubber stoppers in the kit handy. Remove the brake line and immediately plug it off with the rubber stopper to prevent a huge mess. Keep all the washers in a safe place as you'll be reusing them.


    11mm and 14mm wrenches needed here. Make sure you have the rubber stops handy.

    Once your line is removed, your ready to start removing the caliper. On the drivers side, you'll have to disconnect the pad sensor. The caliper is held on by two 20mm bolts and they're torqued on tightly so it's going to take some effort to remove them. Make sure you keep the bolts in a safe spot because you'll need them to install the caliper bracket in the kit. With the caliper removed, you'll need the 30-torx to remove the rotor. After the torx bolt was removed, my rotors didn't come off without a fight and required some firms taps from a rubber mallet to remove them. Make sure you keep the torx bolt as you'll be reusing that also.


    View from behind the caliper. The 20mm bolts are torqued on to 140lbs so they require some effort to remove.


    30-torx needed to remove the rotor.

    With everything removed, you'll need to install the bracket from your kit where the stock calipers went reusing the 20mm caliper bolts. Make sure you torque those to 140lbs per factory specs. Once the calipers brackets are installed, your able to install the new rotors. Again, make sure you've washed then with soap and water, followed by brake cleaner. The rotors are shipped with a small film of grease coated on them to prevent them from rusting, so don't forget to wash them.


    Caliper bracket torqued to 140lbs.


    New rotor installed. Follow the directions to make sure that the correct rotor goes to right and left sides, this does matter!

    With the rotor installed, your ready to start on the new caliper. You'll need to remove the bridge section from the center of the caliper before installing. Make sure you don't lose the bolts or washers (not that I did and had to search around the garage forever trying to find a washer...). With the caliper in place, you'll need to torque the bolts down to 42lbs.


    5mm hex allen bolts removed from the bridge of the calipers. You'll be installing the pads through this area later.


    Caliper mounted up and bolted on.

    Once thats done, you'll need to install the new SS line included in the kit. The kit comes with copper washers and banjo bolts. Remove the rubber stopper from the back of the caliper. Make sure you have a copper washer on each side of the new brake line before securing the banjo bolt to the caliper. I should also point out that you want the new SS line positioned in line with the angle of the caliper. Make sure you hold onto it firmly when tightening the banjo bolt so the new SS line doesn't move out of place. The kit also comes with washers that go over the other end of the new SS lines. Place the washer over the other end and install them to brake line attached to the chassis. For the brake sensor, remove the pad from the drivers side caliper and cut the wire around 1.5" from the sensor. Splice the two ends together and secure the exposed wire with heat-shrink wrap or electrical tape. Your now able to slide in the new pads and bolt the bridge back onto the caliper.


    I apologize for the bad lighting, but this is how the new Stainless Steel line should look secured to the caliper.


    Slide the new pads in and then secure the caliper back to the bridge.

    With everything installed, you'll be able to bleed your system. The new calipers have bleeders on each side, and the bleeding order StopTech recommends is right outer bleeder, right inner bleeder, left outer bleeder, left inner bleeder. I was careless and bled my entire system dry unfortunately so I had to bleed my master cylinder and every caliper . Make sure you don't do that! I used Motul RPF600, but any DOT3 or DOT4 fluid will work. With everything installed, it's time to bed your pads. StopTech recommends hard braking from 60 - 5 mph, accelerating back up to 60 ASAP and repeating this process 10-12 times.

    Hopefully this helps any would be installers.

    The kit actually comes with solid instructions. I've had these on my car for a week now and the increased stopping power is impressive! The pedal feels close to the stock brakes, if just a tad bit firmer. I've installed other BBK's on previous project cars and had them practically put you through the windshield with the slightest touch of the pedal. I have no issues at all like that. With the ST-60 kit, the brakes come on smoothly and predictably without any diving or jerking. If you need to stop in a hurry, these brakes will certainly get the job done! I'd be interested in doing a 100mph-0 test just to see how they do, but the difference over the stock braking system is substantial. My previous car was a C63 AMG with a large 14.3" rotor and 6 piston setup and my ST-60's performance is on par if not better than that. After bedding the brakes, I haven't noticed any squealing but I suspect I'll get some eventually as it's common in most BBK systems, only time will tell. I have a track day set up for the 15th so I'll be able to give a better review once I get some track time on them.

    Once again, thanks to ModBargains for hooking me up with a great product!







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    Great writeup! Car's looking very nice. I like the removable bridge feature of those StopTech calipers. Convenient.

    What pads are you running?

    Have a great time Saturday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QUA77RO View Post
    Great writeup! Car's looking very nice. I like the removable bridge feature of those StopTech calipers. Convenient.

    What pads are you running?

    Have a great time Saturday.
    Thanks. They came with the StopTech Street Performance. They came with the kit so I'm using them, we'll see how they hold up. Have fun Saturday also. This is my first time at Reno - Fernley, I'm excited to check it out.
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    I think our days of brake deficiency are behind us.

    I would be surprised if these BBK's weren't a sure solution.
    "Adding power makes you faster on the straights. Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickZag View Post
    ... With everything installed, you'll be able to bleed your system. The new calipers have bleeders on each side, and the bleeding order StopTech recommends is right outer bleeder, right inner bleeder, left outer bleeder, left inner bleeder. I was careless and bled my entire system dry unfortunately so I had to bleed my master cylinder and every caliper . Make sure you don't do that! I used Motul RPF600, but any DOT3 or DOT4 fluid will work. With everything installed, it's time to bed your pads. StopTech recommends hard braking from 60 - 5 mph, accelerating back up to 60 ASAP and repeating this process 10-12 times.

    Hopefully this helps any would be installers.
    So looking at each caliper, you basically work from the inside to the outside?
    Since you were replacing the fluid, did you flush the ABS actuator as well?
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    Nice setup! Thanks for posting up this DIY.

    Did you happen to measure the weight of the new rotors before you installed them? I was just wondering how large of a weight difference was between the stock and new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickZag View Post
    Sky divers and bungee jumpers have nothing on the adrenaline rush you get going downhill into turn 2 at Laguna Seca/Mazda Raceway at over 120mph and stepping on your brake pedal to find nothing happening.
    Nice write up!

    I know that feeling coming down corner 4 at Mosport full tilt only to have a hard line break and have no pedal.

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    Nice writeup. Thanks for including the torque specs.
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    Now that is a in-depth write up!
    Thanks for the shout out Nick!
    Glad you stayed with the silver calipers, great choice, I would have went with the same.
    I would love to see some more photos of the brakes installed, and a review once you get on the track!

    Let me know if you need anything in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QUA77RO View Post
    I think our days of brake deficiency are behind us.

    I would be surprised if these BBK's weren't a sure solution.
    I sure hope so, otherwise it's back to the drawing board.

    Quote Originally Posted by UmIsThisThingOn View Post
    So looking at each caliper, you basically work from the inside to the outside?
    Since you were replacing the fluid, did you flush the ABS actuator as well?
    I actually drained the entire system dry by accident, which I don't recommend doing btw! If you bleed the system dry, you need to have your car serviced by a tech if you don't know how to bleed the master cylinder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Olde English View Post
    Nice setup! Thanks for posting up this DIY.

    Did you happen to measure the weight of the new rotors before you installed them? I was just wondering how large of a weight difference was between the stock and new.
    I did not. The calipers were lighter for sure. I'd say the rotors were a little bit lighter than the stock ones, but not by much.
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    hey Nick thanks for that , that's awesome I will probably be going with these if I can convince myself away from the Brembo's.
    What was your 2nd choice behind the STs and why did you pick these instead ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultra View Post
    hey Nick thanks for that , that's awesome I will probably be going with these if I can convince myself away from the Brembo's.
    What was your 2nd choice behind the STs and why did you pick these instead ?
    The only other brakes that would clear my 18" wheels were the 4 piston Brembo's and I wanted the largest system possible. I though about just biting the bullet and going with Alcon and selling my Enkei's for some 19" wheels, but I felt the best value for money was in fact the ST-60 kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickZag View Post
    The only other brakes that would clear my 18" wheels were the 4 piston Brembo's and I wanted the largest system possible. I though about just biting the bullet and going with Alcon and selling my Enkei's for some 19" wheels, but I felt the best value for money was in fact the ST-60 kit.
    oh ok so without your wheels being a factor you would have gone with Brembo's ? I don't think clearance is going to be an issue on my end at all
    so I am trying to find a way to not spend the extra $750 on Brembo vs StopTech. Tought choice but I do know the ST's will be cheaper to up-keep / replace
    but then again I may not even have my car that long anyways .. decisions decisions
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultra View Post
    oh ok so without your wheels being a factor you would have gone with Brembo's ? I don't think clearance is going to be an issue on my end at all
    so I am trying to find a way to not spend the extra $750 on Brembo vs StopTech. Tought choice but I do know the ST's will be cheaper to up-keep / replace
    but then again I may not even have my car that long anyways .. decisions decisions
    The Brembos would have cleared my 18's no prob, but I just didn't see s point to a 4 piston setup for what I need. For street use though I'm sure they would work great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickZag View Post
    The Brembos would have cleared my 18's no prob, but I just didn't see s point to a 4 piston setup for what I need. For street use though I'm sure they would work great.
    oh yeah look at that , I was thinking the Brembo kit was 6 pot also
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultra View Post
    oh yeah look at that , I was thinking the Brembo kit was 6 pot also
    They do make a 6 piston kit but its nearly twice the price I paid for my StopTech kit and that kit only fits 19" wheels, and even then you'll need spacers. Don't get me wrong, you can't ever go wrong with Brembo but for my budget and application the ST-60 just suited my needs a little better.
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    Great write-up for those who like to get their hands dirty! Thanks for sharing.

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    Silver looks great behind those wheels, very subtle! Thanks for sharing your DIY as well.
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    Excellent write up and product! What were the results on the track?

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    excellent write up - good luck on the track
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    Just got back from Reno/Fernley. The ST-60 was a HUGE upgrade over the stock brakes, no brake fading or spongy pedal at all and I was on them hard on several sections of the track. Great upgrade! I was able to brake MUCH later in the turns which improved lap times and passing opportunities. My only regret is not doing this sooner.
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    lol you got whopped by a Neon ? people that make that car don't even like that car . Get a refund for the brakes




    j/k cool pics again Nick
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultra View Post
    lol you got whopped by a Neon ? people that make that car don't even like that car . Get a refund for the brakes




    j/k cool pics again Nick
    Do you really think I didn't pass him? lol ;)
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    oh alright fine can't let me have my fun I see , enjoy your stopping
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultra View Post
    oh alright fine can't let me have my fun I see , enjoy your stopping
    Fun is one thing, but I take it personal when someone says I'm being owned by a neon! LOL j/k :)
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    I would definitely get a BBK if I could ever get out to the track. Good to see it's more than just for looks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickZag View Post
    Fun is one thing, but I take it personal when someone says I'm being owned by a neon! LOL j/k :)
    ok good I thought those brakes were so good they put a stop to your sense of humor for a second , lol enjoy
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    Hey Nick,
    Have been enjoying your posts/threads some while now - especially your sense of humor within them
    This DIY is one of the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Nelson View Post
    Hey Nick,
    Have been enjoying your posts/threads some while now - especially your sense of humor within them
    This DIY is one of the best.

    Would much like to see a thread of the best of your track pics
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    Thanks! I was bummed that nobody got a picture of my 100mph spin coming out of the last turn. I did a full 360's down the main straight and another 360 on the inside of the track . It probably looked like I was swatting at bees in the car trying to keep my steering wheel under control lol. I'm sure mmaroney has was way better track pictures than I do.
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    ^ yeah but not in an A4 lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickZag View Post
    Thanks! I was bummed that nobody got a picture of my 100mph spin coming out of the last turn. I did a full 360's down the main straight and another 360 on the inside of the track . It probably looked like I was swatting at bees in the car trying to keep my steering wheel under control lol. I'm sure mmaroney has was way better track pictures than I do.
    The unintended 'donuts' - whoop - pic-less

    How about if you and mmaroney collaborate on a track pics thread. There's another member here in upstate NY at Cornell U. IIRC who posted some GoPro videos earlier this year - invite him to the thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Nelson View Post
    The unintended 'donuts' - whoop - pic-less

    How about if you and mmaroney collaborate on a track pics thread. There's another member here in upstate NY at Cornell U. IIRC who posted some GoPro videos earlier this year - invite him to the thread?
    Cheers
    I'll be buying a GoPro next month. My kodak Sport and cheap mount isn't cutting it anymore :( I need a better camera for sure.
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    So overall, what was your impression with the BBK on track?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander1010 View Post
    So overall, what was your impression with the BBK on track?
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    Ah...I was mesmerized by the pictures. So that is the most important thing to me in my choice to upgrade. I went to the Stoptech Rotors+Pads+Lines setup recently and the one thing I didn't get is a firmer brake pedal. I stop better, later, harder for sure and overall am currently pleased. However, what I really want is to touch that pedal and get instant response and grip on the wheels without pushing 3/4 of the way down.

    How did that go for you, other than not mushy?

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    I would say the pedal feel is actually fairly close to the stock, maybe a little bit more firm. The real difference is how hard they grab when you put down firm pressure and they don't fade with heavy use.
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    For the OP, is this a 380mm kit or a 355mm kit?

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    Hey, great write up!

    I did the same kit on my B7 Avant, and will do the same on my B8 as well. I got my kit from Actuning. Not to thread jack but I found the Stoptech BB Kit to be so darn good! Very smooth easy to modulate and great powerful stopping if needed. I do think you should have gone with Black Calipers however, would have contrasted better with your car color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwest888 View Post
    For the OP, is this a 380mm kit or a 355mm kit?
    The ST-60 BBK on the A4 is 355mm. On the S4 it is either a 355mm or 380mm w/ only a $100 increase in price for the 380mm kit @ Achtuning.com.

    Quote Originally Posted by A4 Centaur View Post
    Hey, great write up!

    I did the same kit on my B7 Avant, and will do the same on my B8 as well. I got my kit from Actuning. Not to thread jack but I found the Stoptech BB Kit to be so darn good! Very smooth easy to modulate and great powerful stopping if needed. I do think you should have gone with Black Calipers however, would have contrasted better with your car color.
    I got mine from Achtuning as well. I went with Black since I'm going for more of an OEM+ kind of look.
    I'm not a 'look at me' kind of car builder/driver anymore.
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    Yea, you are correct but!

    This is a darn good look!



    Porsche does the same thing on Cayenne and other models with great success.
    2023 S4 Prestige Mythos Black. Brembo GT BBK, APR FMIC, 034 Stg 1
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