*** INA : Official Audi B5 S4 2.7 TT - 2.0T Coil Pack Upgrade Thread ***

[Wizard-of-OD]

Gentlemen,
We are testing a kit currently that allows you to convert from your external ICM + 3-PIN Coil Pack to a much more updated 4-PIN 2.0T FSI Coil Pack which will allow you to run a wider gap in your plug.
For those who just lurk the B5 S4 forum, here is our thread on the B6 A4 1.8T Forum outlining the upgrade.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-INTRO-PRICING

We have modified the FAQ to reflect that of the 2.7TT motor.

FAQ:

1. Why would I convert my 2.7TT to use 2.0T coils?
   
   Allthough when we dissected the 2.0T Coil , internally it was the same as a 1.8T unit but running the 2.0T Coils allow you to run a hotter spark.
   We have a few local customers that we did the 1.8T to 2.0T conversion for and they are extremely happy with the results.
   
2. What is the largest gap I can run with these coil packs?
   
   0.04" is what we used. Others have gone as wide as 0.044"
   
3. Why is the adapter plate needed??
   The OEM 2.0T Coils are approx 14mm taller than the 1.8T units. In order to have a seal that allows some form of security with the valve cover, the coil pack requires an adapter plate.
   
4. What are the PART #'s ?
   RED MKV FSI Coil Packs - 06E 905 115
   BLACK MKV FSI Coil Packs - 07K 905 715 F
   BLACK MKV TSI Coil Packs - 06F 905 115 F
   BLACK MKVI TSI Coil Packs - 06H 905 115

A full product description will be written up with install instructions once we are ready to release the kit but we figured we would drum some interest here first.


AZ PRICE : $549 USD SHIPPED IN LOWER 48 PRICE INCLUDES :

• (6) INA Engineering Inc. - CAD Drawn / CNC Machined V1.3 Adapter plates - Anodized Black or Clear
• (12) M6 x 25 mm Stainless Steel socket cap screws
• (6) 06E 905 115 RED Igintion Coils
• (1) 034 Motorsport 2.7TT Adapter harness
• (1) SET of install instructions.

1. lucky - BLACK
2. 20vturbo - CLEAR
3. topquarkpc - BLACK
4. worxwagon - CLEAR
5. JR@Redline - CLEAR
6. andys4 - CLEAR
7. lidoautogroup - CLEAR
8. teckjoel1320 - CLEAR
9. DUBAUTOWERKS - CLEAR
10. Dilano - BLACK


Please do not hesitate to email us : [email protected] or call 5102754775.
Thanks Guys!

[Guss]

Sounds interesting but for $600 I can do other things more important to me... The stock coilpacks work just fine and deliver my horsepower just fine...

[Wizard-of-OD]

Sounds interesting but for $600 I can do other things more important to me... The stock coilpacks work just fine and deliver my horsepower just fine...

What gap are you running?
For $600 we are sure a few users in here will find this very much worth it.

[S4James]

I think the big driving factor here is going to be the quality of the adaption harness, and the ease of installation.

[infinkc]

I am doing this mod this weekend(will have my writeup)

[Danza]

pictures of harness?

ship date?

[SQuatty]

Will you be selling the kits without coils (if we wanted to source our own)?

[DiscoPotato]

Hmm sounds interesting.

[2380S4]

Hmm sounds interesting.

Agreed!

Will have to stay on top of this and see where it goes.

[csosnowski]

im interested in the harness adapters. no cutting into the stock harness?

[Papa_Dios]

I am doing this mod this weekend(will have my writeup), and honestly its only about 300-350 in parts.

I'm with this guy. Looking forward to your writeup buddy.

[The_Auto_Tech]

S4's use bolt-down coils, and these are push-down style. What's the solution for that? Do you just use the adapter block and just push the coils down? Other problem here is that they're not gonna clear the stock engine covers anymore, so you won't be able to use those.

[lidoautogroup]

I will definitely be interested in the wiring if you are willing to sell it separately.

[S4 00 2.7]

Sub'd for more info.

[GURUMAN]

Stock pieces are proven over 1000 hp ! ?

[Turbo Nerd]

Stock coils may be good for .028 gap but you can run a larger gap and a hotter spark to have a more complete burn, more hp, and most important you run more efficient. This is a great mod (a lot cheaper for me though, $70 in adapters and $15 a coil), I run a .040 gap on my BKR7E's and have put thousands of miles on them with no issues what so ever.

$600 is a bit much though IMO and I don't see this spreading with the 2.7 like it does in the 1.8 world due to the cost of these.

Subscribed.

[killerkali]

600 is a bit excessive. stock coils work fine, they either are good or bad and you can find used ones for like 30 bucks..

[NOTORIOUS VR]

LMAO! $600? What a rip off..

The coils cost around $22 each... how much do you think people should be paying for these cheesy adaptors + a harness $460+?

Also has the issue been fixed where the coil packs don't sit centered in the head and cause the CP to crack?

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post6911243

[sweets4style]

You can make them yourself. IE offers the adapters as well and you can buy the coils yourself and make your own harness. Its eaier on the 1.8ts cause you can just buy a premade harness from later 1.8t engines and just use these coils and adapters. You can make your own harness by buying 2 of these 1.8t harnesses and cutting them apart and joining or buying individual connectors and making your own wiring. YUp to you. You can also buy this if your too lazy to make it yourself or dont feel confident.

Any COP setup will be good as they respond quickly and dont have dwell issues so what they are proven to means nothing. Not to mention having a larger plug gap will always promote better burn. We turn them down to .28 because our coils misfire at those levels. Larger gap means better burn and all the associated benefits of that.

They only crack with one type of mkVI coil pack from what I read. Its an easy fix to drill the hole larger on INA's part or on your own. IE also offers these adapters.

Another option is to go with Okada projects coil packs which are very pricey but proven to work very well as well. People scoffed at paying that much for coilpacks a couple of years ago and now they may be willing to do because you get a harness with it also lol.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

They only crack with one type of mkVI coil pack from what I read. Its an easy fix to drill the hole larger on INA's part or on your own. IE also offers these adapters.

Umm.... you're missing the part where these adapters are sold with MKVI/2.0T coils and they're cracking because they're not centered.

You shouldn't have to modify anything if they did their homework. Especially not with this price tag.

[Wizard-of-OD]

Everyone sorry for the late response as we don't usually open on Saturday's but had to come in to do a few APR flashes and decided to check the threads progress.

A few of your questions will get answered:

• The MKVI 06H Coil comes with a rubber boot that is off centered . Remove this rubber boot and the coil sits fine . 613B6 is running 06H Coils that came off a crate TSI Motor we had here and has been running them since May. We do not recommend them due to them having a plastic housing.
• The INA Coil Pack adapter is designed in Solidworks and is PERFECTLY SYMMETRICAL. How could it cause the coil to be offset when it sits perfect in other applications using 06E/06F coils IN THE CENTER.
• The competitor's Coil Pack adapter will NOT work on the S4 valve cover. You need a square unit to cover the bore in the valve cover and provide a perfect seal for the coil pack. Increasing the diameter to suite one type of coil is pointless when other FSI coils have worked and will work fine. The point of the adapter is to provide a perfect seal against the coil pack. If you didnt want a perfect seal then dont run an adapter....
• $600 (this price has not even been finalized as yet) is the bare bones minimum.

Here is what our square V1.3's look like installed in an early AWD 1.8T engine. Notice how the valve cover used Beru 3-PIN Coil packs



Do I think you can find coils used? Sure!
Do I think you can build your own harness? Sure!
Do I care? Absolutely not...I certainly am not bothered by how much power you are making now with your stock bolt downs and I am not bothered by what you think of the price.

If I wanted to sell coil pack adapters to the S4 community I could have done so 4 months ago when the V1.3's came out....but we all know what releasing half assed products do to the community. I would know because I supplied (2) DIY products to the community and it was an uter failure IMHO.
We are in the business of providing complete solutions.

Your ~$600 solution gets you:

• (6) V1.3 Coil Pack adapters anodized in black or clear (patent pending)
• (12) SS M6 x 20 socket cap screws
• (6) FSI 07K/06E Coils
• (1) Professional made harness with all the OEM crimps and connectors
• (1) Installation manual

Guys,
the pricing isnt finalized but we sell the 1.8T harness + (4) Coils + (4) adapters for approx $400 Shipped. Why would a S4 V6 cost any less? OEM pins for the connectors are not exactly cheap. If you think you can do it for cheaper you can do the following:

1. Draw up your own flange (which had better be 1 piece because it can not mimic our design in anyway)
2. Have it machined (a low run of 20 pieces or less will set you back 25-30 each)
3. go to your local hardware store and buy yourself SS hardware
4. Get package material and package it yourself
5. drive to your local dealer and buy the coils @ $22 each OR pay for them from another vendor with the shipping charge
6. Score through ETKA , get the part #'s for the coil pack connectors + pins , order them ...
7. Order the material to build your own harness
8. sit down and figure out how it is done
9. put a package together, write and installation manual
10. contact Anthony@AZ for an advertising account
11. start selling your product to the masses for a profit.

OR
If you are not interested in the product then simply read the thread and move along.

Thank You,
INA

[CHAOSAUDI]

LMAO! $600? What a rip off..

The coils cost around $22 each... how much do you think people should be paying for these cheesy adaptors + a harness $460+?

Also has the issue been fixed where the coil packs don't sit centered in the head and cause the CP to crack?

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post6911243

And then you wonder why no one on the local boards likes you....
What issue?? Did you even read the thread or you just using this as another opportunity to shit on someone else? I was one of the first people to run these and still no problems and my coils are sitting centered!

Did you try buying coils from Georgetown VW? They are $29 each! And that's the cheapest locally!

[Wizard-of-OD]

To those that have asked via PM , yes we are working with 034 Motorsport and have been for some time on this upgrade.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

And then you wonder why no one on the local boards likes you....

LOL! Sorry I'm not here to be in a popularity contest... I could care less if someone likes me here or not.

What issue?? Did you even read the thread or you just using this as another opportunity to shit on someone else? I was one of the first people to run these and still no problems and my coils are sitting centered!

Good for you, want a cookie?

[97B518TQM]

"patent pending" on a square piece of aluminum with a hole in the middle??? LMAO

[EuroxS4]

What are the advantages of running these coils and adapters if there is any??

Changing the heat range on your plugs is done only as a last resort to correct a problem with fuelling or combustion chamber temperatures - either due to poor design, trying to push an engine beyond its design limits, or some other reason.

Changing spark plug heat range was common back when cars had carburetors and "accurate fuelling" was a joke. It was needed then, it's rarely needed now. Hotter spark plugs can hurt power - so can colder spark plugs. Even changing plug types and makers can affect power delivery or emissions - and a spark plug that gives one engine type a power boost may actually be a detriment to one from another maker.


In other words, don't bother unless your type of car is known to have fuelling issues that are resolved by running a different heat range plug. If you want more power, concentrate on intake and exhaust first. Spark plugs are the *last* place I'd go looking for more power.

Gentlemen,
We are testing a kit currently that allows you to convert from your external ICM + 3-PIN Coil Pack to a much more updated 4-PIN 2.0T FSI Coil Pack which will allow you to run a wider gap in your plug.
For those who just lurk the B5 S4 forum, here is our thread on the B6 A4 1.8T Forum outlining the upgrade.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-INTRO-PRICING

We have modified the FAQ to reflect that of the 2.7TT motor.

FAQ:

1. Why would I convert my 2.7TT to use 2.0T coils?
   
   Allthough when we dissected the 2.0T Coil , internally it was the same as a 1.8T unit but running the 2.0T Coils allow you to run a hotter spark.
   We have a few local customers that we did the 1.8T to 2.0T conversion for and they are extremely happy with the results.
   
2. What is the largest gap I can run with these coil packs?
   
   0.04" is what we used. Others have gone as wide as 0.044"
   
3. Why is the adapter plate needed??
   The OEM 2.0T Coils are approx 14mm taller than the 1.8T units. In order to have a seal that allows some form of security with the valve cover, the coil pack requires an adapter plate.
   
4. What are the PART #'s ?
   RED MKV FSI Coil Packs - 06E 905 115
   BLACK MKV FSI Coil Packs - 07K 905 715 F
   BLACK MKV TSI Coil Packs - 06F 905 115 F
   BLACK MKVI TSI Coil Packs - 06H 905 115

A full product description will be written up with install instructions once we are ready to release the kit but we figured we would drum some interest here first.

Ball park for an introductory around $600 USD for (6) COils + (6) Coil Packs (red or black) + (1) Adapter harness. If you are interested jump on the list:
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Any questions? Please do not hesitate to ask.

[csosnowski]

there is a huge advantage like the ability to run a larger gap and less expense when the regular units go out, plus the fact that they do not need to be unbloted when you want to read your plugs or change them out.

i dont think anyone is looking at this as a quick "power" upgrade, rather a piece of preventative maintenance and an overall upgrade to the platform.

making things more efficent is a way of making more power, yes, but it benefits other areas such as reliability (read:icm). i cant count how many threads that ended up being icm's.

[Turbo Nerd]

What are the advantages of running these coils and adapters if there is any??

Changing the heat range on your plugs is done only as a last resort to correct a problem with fuelling or combustion chamber temperatures - either due to poor design, trying to push an engine beyond its design limits, or some other reason.

Changing spark plug heat range was common back when cars had carburetors and "accurate fuelling" was a joke. It was needed then, it's rarely needed now. Hotter spark plugs can hurt power - so can colder spark plugs. Even changing plug types and makers can affect power delivery or emissions - and a spark plug that gives one engine type a power boost may actually be a detriment to one from another maker.


In other words, don't bother unless your type of car is known to have fuelling issues that are resolved by running a different heat range plug. If you want more power, concentrate on intake and exhaust first. Spark plugs are the *last* place I'd go looking for more power.

Wtf does changing the heat range on your plugs have to do with anything? I use NGK BKR7E's year round (some might step down to 6E for winter), obviously you don't know what your talking about and haven't read any valid information in this thread. The larger gap you run the hotter (stronger whatever terminology you want to use) spark you have, coils work harder to produce a hotter spark at a larger gap so these FSI/TFSI coils are stronger coils than ours.

Here's a test for you, go buy brand new bolt down coils for your S4 and run them at a .040 gap and lets see how long your coils last.... I bet you will have misfires right away. I'm not here to bash you but there's threads about these coils in the B5 and B6 A4 forum so please read before you start to make assumptions about something that you have no clue about.

[Wizard-of-OD]

"patent pending" on a square piece of aluminum with a hole in the middle??? LMAO

That is correct.
You have are from the bay area. You should know all about the term considering the shop you use for your repairs.

Changing the heat range on your plugs is done only as a last resort to correct a problem with fuelling or combustion chamber temperatures - either due to poor design, trying to push an engine beyond its design limits, or some other reason.

This upgrade is not so you can change the heat range of your plug. It is so that in you can increase your plug gap without sacrificing desired boost request and driveability.
Every 1.8T we have done here has gone from eratic idle + 23 psi (running 0.028") to smooth idle / better throttle response & 26 psi without "popping" coils.

Here's a test for you, go buy brand new bolt down coils for your S4 and run them at a .040 gap and lets see how long your coils last.... I bet you will have misfires right away.

Correct.
Thank You for your post. This basic concept seems to surpass certain members with hidden agenda's.

[Fourplay]

That is correct.
You have are from the bay area. You should know all about the term considering the shop you use for your repairs.

You are spending $10k+ for a patent on this? You must really anticipate high sales volumes on these.

[Wizard-of-OD]

You must really anticipate high sales volumes on these.

but of course!

Please keep on topic people. Post your questions relating to the topic at hand. I dont want to have this thread cleaned up over pettiness.

[Audi_S4]

What is included in the adapter harness ?

The adapters seem to cost 65$ for 4 at 034 so That makes around 100$ for the S4 + around 180$ for 6 new coilpacks , that's around 280$ total or am I missing something ?

[CHAOSAUDI]

What is included in the adapter harness ?

The adapters seem to cost 65$ for 4 at 034 so That makes around 100$ for the S4 + around 180$ for 6 new coilpacks , that's around 280$ total or am I missing something ?

Those adapters from 034 are for the standalone kit Issam sold years ago..
The coil pack adapters 034 is selling are from INA. The coil harness is from 034 and knowing them it will be able to plug into the stock s4 harness.

[8520]

You know what I hate? Innovation.

I hate when aftermarket tuning companies continue to support our platform even when others have abandoned it.

[S4 00 2.7]

there is a huge advantage like the ability to run a larger gap and less expense when the regular units go out, plus the fact that they do not need to be unbloted when you want to read your plugs or change them out.

i dont think anyone is looking at this as a quick "power" upgrade, rather a piece of preventative maintenance and an overall upgrade to the platform.

making things more efficent is a way of making more power, yes, but it benefits other areas such as reliability (read:icm). i cant count how many threads that ended up being icm's.

This is the post that sums it all up. In short, the benefits of this upgrade.

[S4James]

im looking forward to trying this out.

[GravityWorks]

You know what I hate? Innovation.

I hate when aftermarket tuning companies continue to support our platform even when others have abandoned it.

..

[Wizard-of-OD]

You know what I hate? Innovation.

I hate when aftermarket tuning companies continue to support our platform even when others have abandoned it.

...haha
Thank you for the support!

[AwdOwns]

Sounds interesting but for $600 I can do other things more important to me... The stock coilpacks work just fine and deliver my horsepower just fine...

This is true.

Will you be selling the kits without coils (if we wanted to source our own)?

Was this answered?

LMAO! $600? What a rip off..

The coils cost around $22 each... how much do you think people should be paying for these cheesy adaptors + a harness $460+?

Also wondering why so much.

[Wizard-of-OD]

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Once the kit is ready for marketing we will explore that option.