Turbo Nerds "Bout damn time" build thread

[Turbo Nerd]

So got the blocks side by side for comparison and maybe ran into a problem but hopefully not.

















This is where I hope I don't have a problem but on my new motor I don't threads for whatever mounts there (cyl 2 shouldn't be hard to miss). Other than that everything else looks good unless you can see something that I can't.





Here's both the block codes.

Old: 06A 10321 (AWM)
New: 06A 021C (AUM from research?)

And here's that b*tch that told me f*ck you I'm outta here.



Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks fellas.

Martin.

[Crispy222]

Mexico.. Ah Oh?!?!?

[Turbo Nerd]

Yea lol my car will be half Mexican .

Anyways I'm not worried about that missing mount for whatever goes there. Had to order a new oil pan ($91 brand new), front main seal flange (mine cracked), and 2 oil jets/squirters. Found the flange used on eBay (no way I'm spending $165 on a new one) and used oil squirters (again almost $40 each). $18 for the flange and I offered $13 a piece for the squirters (wanted $19.99).

Made a order with ECS. Oil cooler o-ring, thermostat o-ring, thermostat, pilot bearing, turbo oil return line gasket, upper turbo oil line gasket, oil pump chain tensioner, turbo to manifold gasket, oil pressure sender, green CTS, cabin air filter, Audi silicone, new exhaust mani stud and locking nuts, water pump bolts, 1.8 valve stem caps (LOL).

Ordered a new oil pump and pick up tube from MJM for $100 shipped.

Need to make an order for a o2 bung for the wideband, and that's it for now but I'm sure something else will come up that I will need to buy.... never fucking ends. It's ok when all said and done I will have a brand new built motor.

[Seerlah]

Damn, I have an oil pump with new chain I would have sold you for like $50 (you can cancel your order if you still can, and I'll ship you mine with new chain. you need to keep the tensioner you ordered). Then you could have picked up the pick up tube for like $20 at the stealership. Also, don't be surprised if this happens. MJM is going to send you the wrong pick up tube with the oil pump. Ask me how I know. Well it may fit on the AMU block, but not the AWM block they have it listed for on their website. They do funny sh*t like that sometimes. Like sending you a B6 A4 primary 02 sensor because it's the back up one when they are out of stock. I don't think they know the connectors are different, yet the sensors are the same (little dremeling fixes that issue).

So yeah, I have a brand new OEM oil pump, new chain, and pick up tube with o-ring from MJM. Decided not to replace oil pump, and the pick up tube was useless. Waste of $100. Ended up having to ask a freind for a ride to the dealership 20 some miles away for a pick up tube (car on jack stands dismantled), when I clearly ordered it to avoid that situation.

[Turbo Nerd]

lol if I would of known then for sure I would of bought it off you, it's to bad it was shipped today . What else do you have that you aren't using or don't need?

While I was about to order the oil pan my heart dropped and got the chills, I ran in the garage and brought both my oil pans in my basement to compare them and make sure it would fit. I'm weird like that even thought I scanned through the blocks for like 40 minutes to make sure everything is good (other than that threaded bolt hole). I need to clean my head probably tomorrow if I get off work at a decent time, and change a valve or two.

[Seerlah]

If it uses the same oil pan as the one from the AWM block, I'm just saying don't be surpirsed if the pick up tube is too long (compare it to the short snub one on our vehicle). The pan won't be able to bolt back on if it is too long. But the pump itself looks to be the correct one. Not saying that is going to happen with ou, but that's what happened to me. If that does happen, maybe you can get a full refund and then purchase mine. You will have a litle more downtime, but you will be saving a couple dollars.

Also, what are you using to lube your bearings?

[Turbo Nerd]

Will do sir thanks.

[Seerlah]

No problem

[Turbo Nerd]

[Turbo Nerd]

Oil is obviously for break in. I plan on doing 100 miles then a 3rd gear pull with boost (10-12 psi idk yet) to about 6200 and let the engine break, change the oil and drive for another 500 or so miles then switch to Rotella T6.

[Seerlah]

No, I meant for the bearings. The picture answered that question, but I remember people using some type of oil (can't recall, hence the question) instead of assembly lube.

[Turbo Nerd]

This is what it says on the bottle (not saying that I believe it but Lucas is some pretty good stuff).

-Use to pre lube bearings, cams, lifters, valve train.
-Prevents seizing, galling and scuffing.
-Compatible with all oils.
-Super slick and tacking.
-Easy to use (lol wow)

Edit:

Excellent Rust Inhibitor
Excellent for long term storage

[SeekB00st]

Is that the stuff that you use to get the air compressor going?

[Turbo Nerd]

Been busy the last few weeks with work and other things, was waiting on more parts also so got those in. I'll let the pictures do the talking I guess....

















I asked my little brother to give me a garbage bag so I can cover the motor and he brings me this lolll.




That's it until next weekend. Plan for next weekend is swap a few valves, install the head on the block, put on the timing belt/accessories, and put in the clutch. I don't think the motor will be in next week because I have lots of other things to do Saturday but Sunday I will be working on it.

[jaychen]

coming along very nicely mate.

Got to love building the engine in the kitchen lol.

You really are buying new everything.

Wanted to ask, as for torque and tolerances.. what book are you going off (haynes, internet pdf, other manual?) ?

There is a huge possibility that my engine builder will be shutting over christmas, in which case I will take matters in to my own hands. I want my car running before new years.

[Turbo Nerd]

Thanks.

Build is happening in my kitchen but the one in my basement lol.

Pretty much everything is new as far as the block is concerned.

I'm using the PDF on socals4 for clearances and such. ARP bolts/studs are torqued to there specs, flywheel bolts and crank bolt are going to be torqued to OEM, everything else is good n tight as the Germans say.

[Crispy222]

Shits lookin' good.

I used the Bentley manual for more of the small bolts when I put together my motor. Like you said, ARP specs on their studs, but also the DIY motor/engine build thread has a good source of specs also for torque and procedure.

[jaychen]

Whats progress like? Updates?

[nunya]

I don't think you understand. I'm posting about the issues that I've had with PTE turbos so that it is documented. I do this so that people can better make their own decision on what they want. I've wasted so much money in shipping and rebuilds that it would have been cheaper in the first place to have just gotten a different turbo than a PTE.

Everytime PTE rebuilt it, they told me that they had fixed the ring seal issues. Then the turbo would leak again. So obviously they had not properly addressed it. I spent many hours on the phone with Wes, the tech at PTE, talking about different ways to combat this issue. We decided that running a large restrictor might help. And all that did was delay the inevitable.

I post about mistakes I have made, and money I have wasted so that no one else has to deal with the bullshit that I have.

I know i am late posting this and havent read the entire thread..... but Dan come on. You run threw turbo's like hell and just fucked up a a new head cause you said fuck it lets crank it with the timing belt tension wrong. Dont steal a thread with you being on your comp high horse, this is silly.

--dillon

[nunya]

Whats progress like? Updates?

+1

[viceprp]

I know i am late posting this and havent read the entire thread..... but Dan come on. You run threw turbo's like hell and just fucked up a a new head cause you said fuck it lets crank it with the timing belt tension wrong. Dont steal a thread with you being on your comp high horse, this is silly.

--dillon

This is funny now that all new information has come out. Let's see.. AZ's biggest flops: RP K04, ecs tuning Maf sensor, PTE JB turbo, and atp/034/kinetic manifold

[Dan[FN]6262]

I know i am late posting this and havent read the entire thread..... but Dan come on. You run threw turbo's like hell and just fucked up a a new head cause you said fuck it lets crank it with the timing belt tension wrong. Dont steal a thread with you being on your comp high horse, this is silly.

--dillon

I'm hardly riding a "Comp high horse", and this head wasn't new, I built it from everything already had laying around. and if you had actually read my post in my build thread, it wasn't like I just don't give a shit. I know i didnt post a time frame in my thread, but i had went inside and got caught up doing electrical work for almost 3 hours and then went back out to the garage. and I've "ran threw" turbos like hell because they were shitty PTE turbos. PTE can't find a decent Chinese ring seal to save their fucking life. other than the time the CHRA housing just randomly cracked apart on my first 5857. yeah, tell ya what, they're building and manufacturing quailty is really up there

Click on the link in my sig and come to your own conclusion.

I don't know why you think you have any room to talk, you paid 034 to build your car, and you still managed to throw a rod while cruising down the highway.

[jaychen]

[Dan[FN]6262]

now I wanna watch Thriller.

[jaychen]

i actually did after posting that

[nunya]

I'm hardly riding a "Comp high horse", and this head wasn't new, I built it from everything already had laying around. and if you had actually read my post in my build thread, it wasn't like I just don't give a shit. I know i didnt post a time frame in my thread, but i had went inside and got caught up doing electrical work for almost 3 hours and then went back out to the garage. and I've "ran threw" turbos like hell because they were shitty PTE turbos. PTE can't find a decent Chinese ring seal to save their fucking life. other than the time the CHRA housing just randomly cracked apart on my first 5857. yeah, tell ya what, they're building and manufacturing quailty is really up there

Click on the link in my sig and come to your own conclusion.

I don't know why you think you have any room to talk, you paid 034 to build your car, and you still managed to throw a rod while cruising down the highway.

I am not thread jacking about my comp turbo, blah, blah (have you even got the car running with it BTW?).... Interesting read in your sig. I will be sure to take pics when (not if) mine fails. FWIW i have killed many Garrett's (i think i am up to 5, mostly Elim's) and can dig up articles much like this on their turbo's. There is more to me throwing that rod then i will post on forums.

you paid 034 to build your car

--dillon

[Turbo Nerd]

It's been slow motion since the last time I updated. Plan on getting some stuff done today and tomorrow hopefully..... today's goals are to install the new rack and axles, clean up the head a bit and swap a few valves and cams. Then come home and bring up the block which will be heavy as shit walking up the stairs. I also have to buy new freeze plugs and install them, I took them out when I dissembled the motor. I did a search and couldn't find out what size they are and who sells them. I'm sure the dealer can get them but those guys are idiots and every time I go there I pretty much do their job for them by using ETKA. If there's any local parts place that sells them I could remove my old freeze plugs and match them up I guess but I don't want to have any problems.

If I can get this stuff done today then I'm hoping the motor will be in the car tomorrow.

[jaychen]

Look forward to more pictures.

[Dan[FN]6262]

I am not thread jacking about my comp turbo, blah, blah (have you even got the car running with it BTW?).... Interesting read in your sig. I will be sure to take pics when (not if) mine fails. FWIW i have killed many Garrett's (i think i am up to 5, mostly Elim's) and can dig up articles much like this on their turbo's. There is more to me throwing that rod then i will post on forums.

I didn't have any intentions of "jacking" the thread, I just was telling the OP my experience and of other options. I actually had planned on buying a new DBB PTE from ringer racing until the PTE tech tried to fuck me around with my rebuild. It was their customer service that turned me off to them.

Yes, I ran the car for a few weeks, maybe even a month (LOL) with the Comp before the valve vs. piston battle royal happened. I didn't hunt down and "dig up" that article just to bash PTE turbos. Charlie (Audi Skate Snow) actually posted it in my build thread. While reading that, you have to keep in mind that the people doing the turbo tear down are Garrett vendors, and it is obvious which they prefer. Just like when they said about how Ceramic ball bearings are not a good bearing for turbo use. If that were true, why would Pratt and Whitney use them in their Turbine Jet engines? lol.

[Turbo Nerd]

Took the axles out and got new ones, and got the rack out and have to order a new one Monday. I could probably put new seals in this rack but I don't want to take the chance of having it leak again since it's such a bitch to get out it with the motor in the car, trying to replace everything I can while the motor is out. Got the head apart and changed the exhaust lifters, the intake ones looked flawless so I left those but the exhaust ones had those punch marks so I replaced them with the ones from my other head, also swapped the cams with the good ones. The cam chain tensioner was replaced with a new OE unit by the previous owner which I'm glad because they are expensive.

Need to shoot to the dealer Monday and pick up an axle bolt (one was stripped I'm glad I got it out), the oil dipstick tube (metal one that goes into the block), rear coolant flange (just for piece of mind) and have to find some oil galley plugs or whatever they are. That's about it till tomorrow, I don't want's in store for tomorrow maybe lightly tint my tail lights and respray my front bumper. I'll keep you guys posted, I should be updating this more and more sooner than before.

[Seerlah]

http://www.audizine.com/classifieds/...ng-rack&cat=49

[Turbo Nerd]

Yea there's no way I'm spending $700 on a rack. I got a shop account with these guys that I deal with all the time with steering racks and axles so I'm getting one for $180. Thanks for the find though.

[Seerlah]

lol

I always knew racks were expensive, and would not pay that much either. I would source my own out, but not sure if I would be able to get a quality one for $180. But on topic, nice to see things coming along. And have fun dragging that engine up the stairs.

[jaychen]

The block without the head on is very light..

Use your muscles mate lol

[Turbo Nerd]

Lol nice picture. I'm sure I won't have too big of problem bringing it upstairs as I will leave it on the engine stand and have someone else grab an end. I'm kind of mad even thought I had the block wrapped up with a garbage bag and had oil around the cylinder walls one of the walls started to slightly show minimal rust. I will probably run through it quick with a dingle berry hone to clean it up a bit. Man that shit ticks me off it's always something stupid holding me back from moving on to the next step. I think I ordered 5 different times from vendors, 2 trips to the dealer, and I'll have to order a few more bullshit things from the dealer and probably online. When the fuck does it end?

[Seerlah]

When the fuck does it end?

When you are flying up the street sitting happy in your grown man booster seat (pun) .

[nunya]

I didn't have any intentions of "jacking" the thread, I just was telling the OP my experience and of other options. I actually had planned on buying a new DBB PTE from ringer racing until the PTE tech tried to fuck me around with my rebuild. It was their customer service that turned me off to them.

Yes, I ran the car for a few weeks, maybe even a month (LOL) with the Comp before the valve vs. piston battle royal happened. I didn't hunt down and "dig up" that article just to bash PTE turbos. Charlie (Audi Skate Snow) actually posted it in my build thread. While reading that, you have to keep in mind that the people doing the turbo tear down are Garrett vendors, and it is obvious which they prefer. Just like when they said about how Ceramic ball bearings are not a good bearing for turbo use. If that were true, why would Pratt and Whitney use them in their Turbine Jet engines? lol.

I hear ya and am honestly interested in your experience with that turbo. I havent seen much about them or many on VAG cars. Having been through so many turbo's myself its hard to say if i trust any manufacturer at this point. I still think only time will tell with any of these folks. I think it may be a bit early to write off PTE just yet, but i could likely be wrong. Its happened many times before :-)

--dillon

[Turbo Nerd]

Haha yea I hope so.

Today I went to the shop to put the head together. I was getting frustrated with timing the cams because these damn supertech valve springs have a way higher spring rate than the stock ones and it was tough to turn the cams. I've replaced tensioners many times on these motors and it always gives me problems even with the tensioner tool from Audi, shit pisses me off. So I just left it alone and decided it was time to call it a day before I started throwing important things at the brick wall.

On to other news I'm picking up a AEB this week for $200 with bent valves. I'm not sure if I want to resistor the VVT out or put mine in, any pros or cons with either setup? Plan is to strip it down send it to the machine shop to get it hot tanked, decked and have them install new valve guides, then I will buy supertech inconel valves and swap my springs and retainers in there along with Integrated cams. Not sure if I want to port the heads and go +1mm oversized valves. I'll then put on the AEB when that is complete and I have a new manifold and turbo sitting on it waiting to go in. It should be a very big gain in power doing it this way.

I probably won't start building the head until I have the car running and broken in because I don't want to start dumping money somewhere else since it's really not needed right now. I didn't take any pictures since I didn't think it was anything serious just a plain jane head getting put together.

[Seerlah]

From the general consensus, it is better to have VVT. Since you are going to be rocking the IE cams, just swap over your AWM CCT.

[Turbo Nerd]

Sounds good to me.

I posted on Integrated facebook and asked when they were getting the AGU valve cover back in stock. He said he will try to find out from there supplier but I haven't heard anything back yet. Apparently you don't need the adapters to run the TSI/FSI coils with the AGU cover, this is what Integrated told me.