Turbo Nerds "Bout damn time" build thread

**Turbo Nerd** · 10-16-2011 09:25 PM

If I didn't love my car I would of dumped it in the worst part of Detroit and made an insurance claim

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**Turbwhistle** · 10-17-2011 04:31 AM

Nice!

**Dan[FN]6262** · 10-17-2011 04:47 AM

idk how you guys are spending $7k on a 2871 build lol.

I have around $8k in my car, the way it sits.

**Dan[FN]6262** · 10-17-2011 04:59 AM

you should look into a Comp turbo, instead of a PTE

**jaychen** · 10-17-2011 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Turbo Nerd

Why what's up with yours?

It's coming, slowly but surely.

The fact I don't actually know what caused all of this has me a bit worried. I was hoping after getting a new sensor it would at least fire but I guess I will just start pulling the motor now.

Yeh mine will be slow, im a student. Hoping to have it done by Christmas atleast..

**Turbo Nerd** · 10-17-2011 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Dan[FN]5857

idk how you guys are spending $7k on a 2871 build lol.

I have around $8k in my car, the way it sits.

I have $3600 into it the way it sits. What ever the previous owner spent that's on him I bought the car for $5700.

**Turbwhistle** · 10-17-2011 09:24 AM

I think $7000 for a gt28 build is reasonable. The kits sold are between 3500-5000, then supporting mods get the price up there. How do you like your 5857? I think when i figure out my build, i will go with that.

**Dan[FN]6262** · 10-17-2011 09:27 AM

I hucked the 5857 (and PTE turbos in general) in favor of a Comp CT4-6262. The Comp spools about 500 rpms slower than the 5857, and about 500rpms faster then the PTE6262 and makes more power than the PTE6262.

Comp turbos fucking win hard in my book. I don't think I'll ever get anything else.

**Turbwhistle** · 10-17-2011 09:30 AM

So its a no go on the 5857?

**Dan[FN]6262** · 10-17-2011 09:40 AM

Comp makes a 5857

I'd go with that. I bet that thing would spool faster than a 30R and make almost 35R power.

**flynnr** · 10-17-2011 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Dan[FN]5857

I hucked the 5857 (and PTE turbos in general) in favor of a Comp CT4-6262. The Comp spools about 500 rpms slower than the 5857, and about 500rpms faster then the PTE6262 and makes more power than the PTE6262.

Comp turbos fucking win hard in my book. I don't think I'll ever get anything else.

how many have you used personally? i bet before you bought the precision turbo's you thought they were the bees knees too - just sayin that people can have bad luck with any company - and you seem to be jumping onto the bandwagon of the turbo company you purchased without running it for a few months on your car with no issue. numbers on a website mean nothing if the car is sitting in the garage

also - how many people on the forums have these on their car? you should post up some build threads id like to look into them! (i'm looking for a bigger turbo for next summer, and want to get some real world experience / numbers from a4's before i buy something)

**Dan[FN]6262** · 10-17-2011 11:52 AM

I had 3 Precision turbos. Two 5857s and a 6262. I ran PTE turbos for more than a year. and they were so unreliable that I only put a little over 3k miles on my car between having them rebuilt and just not driving it because they burned oil. I had the first 5857 rebuilt twice, then when the second one started blowing oil and needed rebuilt, I just got the 6262. It started leaking oil, so I had it rebuilt and I sold it.

Comp is a very popular turbo company. They're hugely popular in really high horsepower camps, i.e, supra communities, V8 drag cars, race cars, ect.

If you had any idea how much better my car is to drive with this Comp 6262 vs my PTE 6262, you'd be hoping on my "bandwagon" also.

My PTE 6262 w/ .63 A/R turbine seen 27psi @ 5.3k rpms. I seen positive pressure at 3k rpms.

The Comp 6262 w/ .82 A/R turbine sees 27psi @ 4.8k rpms. I see positive pressure at 2.1k rpms.

with a turbo this large (700+hp), making it spool 500rpms faster, with a larger turbine housing, is a huge testament to Comp.

I am NOT a bandwagon jumper. This turbo is of the same build quality as my brothers EFR, and this comp even has less drag in the bearing system, vs his EFR.

Im not going to post anymore about this in the OPs thread, it doesn't need cluttered. I have a thread in the B6 section. if you have a question, feel free to post in there.

**Turbwhistle** · 10-17-2011 11:53 AM

I think i will stick to the precision, or maybe a gtx30r. I would like something people have used so i can get some help from more knowledgeable people.

**Dan[FN]6262** · 10-17-2011 11:56 AM

LMFAO whatever. It's your money. Not like I fucking what you do with it, or do to your car. I guess I didn't build or tune my car myself. I must not know anything. *sigh*

One can dream though.

ohhh!!! wait... that's right! I did build my car and tune it myself.

**Turbwhistle** · 10-17-2011 11:59 AM

Maybe that is why you went through so many turbos. Maybe......

**Dan[FN]6262** · 10-17-2011 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Turbwhistle

Maybe that is why you went through so many turbos. Maybe......

lmao you're not even worth the time.

**Turbwhistle** · 10-17-2011 12:07 PM

I am not trying to be a dick, its just that maybe you should leave the tuning to the pro's.

**Dan[FN]6262** · 10-17-2011 12:15 PM

lol tuning is now where near as hard as everyone makes it out to be. If you actually knew anything about how an EFI system works, you would know that too. I have read a couple books that deal with Bosch Motronic systems specifically, and also a few books about performance tuning. It's not all black magic. I don't know, maybe actually having above average reading comprehension skills helps. I only see 4% fuel correction at part throttle and WOT. That's better than the factory tune.

BTW, the tune has nothing to do with the turbos leaking. If you knew how any of that shit works, you wouldn't have even thought that. It's the shitty ring seals that PTE uses.

**Turbwhistle** · 10-17-2011 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Dan[FN]5857

lol tuning is now where near as hard as everyone makes it out to be. If you actually knew anything about how an EFI system works, you would know that too. I have read a couple books that deal with Bosch Motronic systems specifically, and also a few books about performance tuning. It's not all black magic. I don't know, maybe actually having above average reading comprehension skills helps. I only see 4% fuel correction at part throttle and WOT. That's better than the factory tune.

BTW, the tune has nothing to do with the turbos leaking. If you knew how any of that shit works, you wouldn't have even thought that. It's the shitty ring seals that PTE uses.

You never told us why the precision turbos were bad, so how do you expect me to know. Turbos can go bad because of tunes, and just because you read a few books does not make you an expert. There are plenty of people that like there precision turbos.

**1NaudiA4** · 10-17-2011 01:01 PM

Sorry but I've never heard of a turbo going bad because of a tune. Unless its a turbo meant for diesel's like holset where they are not meant to be subject to extreme EGT's. The only thing related to a tune that can really destroy a turbo is if you have anti-lag or launch control.

**Turbwhistle** · 10-17-2011 01:05 PM

Pretty sure to much boost can kill a turbo.

**Dan[FN]6262** · 10-17-2011 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Turbwhistle

You never told us why the precision turbos were bad so how do you expect me to know.

So you can't read or google? EVERY platform has horror stories of PTE turbos.

Originally Posted by Turbwhistle

Turbos can go bad because of tunes

lmao. The more you know

Originally Posted by Turbwhistle

and just because you read a few books does not make you an expert. There are plenty of people that like there precision turbos.

did I ever claim to be an expert??? no. I just have WAY more of a understanding of how the system works than you do. And that's very apparent. The people that like PTE turbos are allowed. I never said they shouldn't, I just stated what has happened to me, with 3 of their products.

What are you running again??? Probably nothing larger than a 2871, or even the stock turbo.

Originally Posted by 1NaudiA4

Sorry but I've never heard of a turbo going bad because of a tune. Unless its a turbo meant for diesel's like holset where they are not meant to be subject to extreme EGT's. The only thing related to a tune that can really destroy a turbo is if you have anti-lag or launch control.

EXACTLY. Another thing that could cause accelerated wear on the turbo is if you run the car extremely lean. But you would be more likely to melt a piston before something would happen to the turbo.

**Dan[FN]6262** · 10-17-2011 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Turbwhistle

Pretty sure to much boost can kill a turbo.

well I'm happy that you're "pretty sure" about that. FYI, PTE turbos are designed to run at very high boost pressures, i.e., 30psi+

So there goes that theory.

**1NaudiA4** · 10-17-2011 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Turbwhistle

Pretty sure to much boost can kill a turbo.

Yeah on a little K03/K04 which would be way out of its efficiency range, and none the less boost pressure doesn't have anything to do with the tune. When someone says tune their talking about fueling and timing not turning a little knob to turn up the boost.

My engine will blow up way before my turbo blows up from running too much boost.

You still have a lot to learn son...

Anyways, lets not clutter TurboNerds build thread with irrelevant info. Keep it related to his build.

**Dan[FN]6262** · 10-17-2011 01:15 PM

1NaudiA4, How do you like the IE V1 cams? I'm really interested in getting a set to replace what I have.

**1NaudiA4** · 10-17-2011 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dan[FN]5857

1NaudiA4, How do you like the IE V1 cams? I'm really interested in getting a set to replace what I have.

Buy mine!

I loved them, absolutely crazy top end power with not too much of a sacrifice down low. On top of that they have a wild lope at idle.

**1NaudiA4** · 10-17-2011 01:22 PM

TurboNerd, I'm going to vote that you scrap that stock dual mass flywheel. After they accumulate a lot of miles the membrane on the inside starts to wear out. Mine had twice the amount of play as was allowed by Benley. I think they're pretty hard to resurface properly as well because of the membrane thing.

**Seerlah** · 10-17-2011 01:25 PM

Turbowhistle, you're barking up the wrong tree. There is a lot you can learn from Dan, along with many other forum members. I've seen him help many people on this forum board, and he will more than likely help me out to when I run into issues (later).

**Turbwhistle** · 10-17-2011 01:31 PM

For one, i never said i new anything, i was asking questions then dan got made because i said i would rather have a precision or gtx over the pte. I came in here to look at turbo nerds build and ask questions...to learn. I simply said that maybe you should let the pro's do the tuning and that your not an expert. You may know a lot more about the this then me, but you act like you can set up a car as well as a pro, which i doubt. Also, when i was saying a tune can kill a turbo, i was thinking of k03's and k04's. When you say i need to read/ search google for what is wrong with the turbos, i don't see why i needed to why it takes to seconds for you to type it. Different problems can occur as with everything. You act like i am a mind reader. I have no experience with any of these turbo's like you do, i do know how how much boost they can handle. Yet, i never said i did, i simply said a tune can kill a turbo, which in the case of a k03/k04 which i am used to talking about, it can. Yea, i am a k03 car, i have had my car since april, and i think the fact that i know as much as i do is decent. I only hope one day i can be as knowledgeable as Dan. I hope that i can tune my own car, and blow a bunch of turbos. This is why i am in thread like this, to find out which turbo i should go with when i start buying my stuff. See, which set ups work best, how much$$$, power made, and how enjoyable the car is after. I personally would rather buy one turbo and call it a day, rather then waste a few thousand buying turbos.

Now, i think we should stop cluttering up this thread with shit. If you have anything else to discuss with me, pm me or say it in my build thread which is in my sig.

**Dan[FN]6262** · 10-17-2011 02:03 PM

I don't think you understand. I'm posting about the issues that I've had with PTE turbos so that it is documented. I do this so that people can better make their own decision on what they want. I've wasted so much money in shipping and rebuilds that it would have been cheaper in the first place to have just gotten a different turbo than a PTE.

Everytime PTE rebuilt it, they told me that they had fixed the ring seal issues. Then the turbo would leak again. So obviously they had not properly addressed it. I spent many hours on the phone with Wes, the tech at PTE, talking about different ways to combat this issue. We decided that running a large restrictor might help. And all that did was delay the inevitable.

I post about mistakes I have made, and money I have wasted so that no one else has to deal with the bullshit that I have.

**Turbwhistle** · 10-17-2011 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Turbwhistle

I think i will stick to the precision, or maybe a gtx30r. I would like something people have used so i can get some help from more knowledgeable people.

When i said this, i said it wrong. I meant to say more people that are knowledgeable about the turbo. I didn't mean it as if you were not knowledgeable, my fault, i said it wrong to start with. If i get a certain turbo, i would like a lot of people to ask there opinions about a problem i may run into. Say i got the comp turbo, and i ran into an issue. Lets say you were on vacation and you are the only person i know to ask about this turbo, i would be stuck. I would rather go with something that a lot of people have so when/if an issue comes up, i don't need to search for someone to ask the question to. Also, i thought i posted this like 4 hours ago, but i forgot to hit post. sorry.

**Seerlah** · 10-21-2011 12:29 PM

I forget, why is it you blew a rod(s)?

**jaychen** · 10-21-2011 04:55 PM

Updates?

**Turbo Nerd** · 10-21-2011 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Seerlah

I forget, why is it you blew a rod(s)?

My thoughts were running too lean from a dying S4 fuel pump. Previous owner bought a used B5 S4 fuel from VAST for some stupid reason idk. When I bought the car it was slow, misfiring and pushing 10 psi. I fixed boost leaks, changed some things, lemmi-winked it a bit and the car was running pretty good pushing like 18-19 psi. It still was misfiring up top in 3rd and most of 4th (yes I changed the obvious), even tried a 4 bar FPR and a 5 bar FPR and it still was running lean. I had a Walbro 255 the whole time but was too lazy to change it because it was in the single digits at the time in winter. So yeah lol.

Originally Posted by jaychen

Updates?

Not yet, I worked 63 hours this week so I can't really do too much during the weekdays. Tomorrow I plan on getting the motor assembled, I have to pick up my new oil pump, pilot bearing, and turbo to manifold gasket (I guess the parts guy at Audi missed it). Sunday I hope to have it in the car (crosses my fingers), only if I have time to remove my steering rack and get a new one. If I can get those things done this weekend I'll be very happy but I'm not trying to rush things as I don't want to overlook anything. I'm sure there's going to be something stupid I'm missing that will be forced to wait till next week but we shall see.

I'll have pictures up tomorrow of whatever I do.

**Turbo Nerd** · 10-22-2011 11:22 PM

Well...... ugh..

Time got cut short due to I had my oil squirters at the shop. So I'm like ok, I'll just dissemble my old motor and get them out of there. Removed the oil pan and there was so much fucking shit in there omg, my rod took out the oil pump, the squirter, both sides of the block, so much garbage on my pick up screen.... unbelievable. I didn't snap any pics since I did it outside and there wasn't that much lighting.

Still did some shit, installed my piston rings, installed the ARP main studs, plasti-gauged the main bearings (all within .02 -.04), checked axial clearance (within .07 - 0.23), checked ring to groove clearance, and blah blah blah. Just a bunch of measuring checking clearances.

So found myself spending $48 at Harbor Freight, $43 at Vatozone, $120 at ECS, $100 at MJMAutohaus, $7 at eBay, and I think that's it. I don't really want to name off what I bought but nothing really exciting, just odds and ends that add up quick. So plan is tomorrow head to the shop and get my oil squirters to finish at least getting the bottom end in.

Oh yea I need a AWM oil pan if anyone has one laying around, if not I'll get a brand new one from eBay for $74 shipped (pretty cheap).... I'd just rather give the money to somebody on here so I thought I'd ask before I ordered one.

Few pics I guess.

**jaychen** · 10-22-2011 11:23 PM

What brand torque wrench is that?

How do you like it? I need a new one

**Turbo Nerd** · 10-22-2011 11:30 PM

Matco ETWB100F and I love it..... my pride and joy, my baby till the end, my uhhh my bad...

**Turbo Nerd** · 10-22-2011 11:42 PM

Oh yea quick story (ok kind of long but funny) from Autozone.

Mainly went there to pick up a E12 socket but I got the lucas assembly lube and 5 qts of Autozone non detergent 30w oil. So I go to the cashier and I'm talking to my cousin about something (he's giving me a hand) and the guy goes "I think he knows what he's talking about since he went to UTI".... I had my VW UTI shirt on from school and he said that to my cousin. I said the funny thing is that we went there together 3 years ago and he's like yea I went to MMI or Wyotech I don't remember.

So then since he's so smart, he says "So what do you guys need these things for? For an air compressor?". I'm puzzled on how he thought of that but I said no I'm building my car. He asked what kind and what are you doing and what turbo blah blah..... He then says "Yea my mom has an A4 and it has so much turbo lag it's unreal". Then he says "Yea I raced a Audi TT and it was twin turbo (I'm assuming he thought it has twins since it's a TT lol), and I smoked it with my 350Z". As I was walking out "I said cool story bro, when my motor is broken in I'll come back and run your dump you call a car".

The whole time my cousin was crying of laughter.... Thought it was pretty funny myself too.

**jaychen** · 10-22-2011 11:48 PM

hmmm,

We have some stupid people in Australia but when kids talk about their 'moms' car and shit, all i imagine is a skinny little white boy that knows nothing about cars and is probably a jump shifter.. im sure you know the type.

**Turbo Nerd** · 10-22-2011 11:52 PM

Lol oh yea we have those too.

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