:| INA - 1.8T to 2.0T Coil Pack Adapters (TECH & FAQ) - INTRO PRICING |:

[heywier427]

the 06h ones.

i guess ill try the e ones. hopefully ill get them for free from the dealer.

[Shayneduboulay]

Anytime

to which email?

[email protected]

Thanks

[Wizard-of-OD]

[email protected]

Thanks

email [email protected] now. Cant access outlook from here...

as for Coils , yes no bueno on the 06H's...
read a comment from a competitor supporting another vendor's unit explaining why coils are cracking with ours was due to us designing the adapter wrong. I do not like getting into pissing matches but if you ever used any CAD program and you divide a circle into 2 halves then you end up with a SYMMETRICAL PART.
Thanks.

[69clark]

email [email protected] now. Cant access outlook from here...

as for Coils , yes no bueno on the 06H's...
read a comment from a competitor supporting another vendor's unit explaining why coils are cracking with ours was due to us designing the adapter wrong. I do not like getting into pissing matches but if you ever used any CAD program and you divide a circle into 2 halves then you end up with a SYMMETRICAL PART.
Thanks.

I can understand what you are saying here about being a symmetrical part. However, without know what the other side said, are they saying that the part isn't symmetrical, or that the hole for the coilpack is not positioned correctly relative to the holes for the mounting screws (there was a picture of this a few pages back)? As these are two completely different things.

Don't take offense to my question, as I'm not on their side, I am just one of the guys that would prefer to run the 06h's if I could. And I am trying to figure out which coil packs I am going to use as I wait for my adapters to show up today. Seems to me if the problem is the location of the bolt holes relative to the coilpack hole then thats an easy fix for the end user, just open up the bolt holes to the next size.

[drjonez]

I can understand what you are saying here about being a symmetrical part. However, without know what the other side said, are they saying that the part isn't symmetrical, or that the hole for the coilpack is not positioned correctly relative to the holes for the mounting screws (there was a picture of this a few pages back)? As these are two completely different things.

Don't take offense to my question, as I'm not on their side, I am just one of the guys that would prefer to run the 06h's if I could. And I am trying to figure out which coil packs I am going to use as I wait for my adapters to show up today. Seems to me if the problem is the location of the bolt holes relative to the coilpack hole then thats an easy fix for the end user, just open up the bolt holes to the next size.

FWIW, the 034s have the same fitment problem that lead to cracking.

I did exactly what you described- opened up the mounting holes to allow the coils to settle as needed.

[69clark]

On another note, can you tell me why you don't recommend the 06h's? Is it just because the plastic part of the coilpack is cracking or are there other reasons to this? If there are other reasons besides the cracking can you let me/us know what they are? I have read this whole thread and I didn't see where you stated anything else. Thanks

[Wizard-of-OD]

FWIW, the 034s have the same fitment problem that lead to cracking.

I did exactly what you described- opened up the mounting holes to allow the coils to settle as needed.

034 coil pack adapters = INA coil pack adapters. Just mount the coils through the adapters first.

On another note, can you tell me why you don't recommend the 06h's? Is it just because the plastic part of the coilpack is cracking or are there other reasons to this? If there are other reasons besides the cracking can you let me/us know what they are? I have read this whole thread and I didn't see where you stated anything else. Thanks

The 07K's are cheaper , not plastic and do the same job. No reason to buy 06H's if you do not have to.

[onlyaudis]

On another note, can you tell me why you don't recommend the 06h's? Is it just because the plastic part of the coilpack is cracking or are there other reasons to this? If there are other reasons besides the cracking can you let me/us know what they are? I have read this whole thread and I didn't see where you stated anything else. Thanks

A few people registered misfires after the cracking occurred.

[Wizard-of-OD]

yup, more in stock ready to rock.

[diagnosticator]

I can understand what you are saying here about being a symmetrical part. However, without know what the other side said, are they saying that the part isn't symmetrical, or that the hole for the coilpack is not positioned correctly relative to the holes for the mounting screws (there was a picture of this a few pages back)? As these are two completely different things.

Don't take offense to my question, as I'm not on their side, I am just one of the guys that would prefer to run the 06h's if I could. And I am trying to figure out which coil packs I am going to use as I wait for my adapters to show up today. Seems to me if the problem is the location of the bolt holes relative to the coilpack hole then thats an easy fix for the end user, just open up the bolt holes to the next size.

I'm running the 06H coilpacks, without any issues, and no cracking. The reason I prefer the 06H version, is because it is made by Bosch, instead of a smaller company. You can't beat Bosch for top of the line electrics.

[bondar1989]

If I buy these adapters will they work with my 1.8t red tops i just bought or do I have to get the 2.0t coil packs for these adapters to be used correctly? I am not understanding what these adapters do?

[diagnosticator]

If I buy these adapters will they work with my 1.8t red tops i just bought or do I have to get the 2.0t coil packs for these adapters to be used correctly? I am not understanding what these adapters do?

The adapters are not used with the 1.8T coilpacks. They are made to use with the Mk 6 TFSI coilpacks because the Mk 6 coilpacks are longer than the 1.8T coilpacks.

[bondar1989]

The adapters are not used with the 1.8T coilpacks. They are made to use with the Mk 6 TFSI coilpacks because the Mk 6 coilpacks are longer than the 1.8T coilpacks.

Thank you that is what I was thinking. So would there be much of a difference if I were to get these coil packs with these adapters. Or would it not help that much. I was thinking these would help out alot if I were to build my engine to 2.0 and then getting these coil packs and adapters. Then I would see it helping since I just built my engine to 2 liter.

[diagnosticator]

Thank you that is what I was thinking. So would there be much of a difference if I were to get these coil packs with these adapters. Or would it not help that much. I was thinking these would help out alot if I were to build my engine to 2.0 and then getting these coil packs and adapters. Then I would see it helping since I just built my engine to 2 liter.

The reason for using the MK6 TFSI coilpacks, is to enable setting the plug gaps to .044" or more. (I'm running my plug gaps at .050".) The engine runs better with as wide of a plug gap as possible. This is true for any spark ignition engine. The MK 6 TFSI coilpacks are designed to be capable of generating the extra spark voltage required with wider than stock plug gaps. This is supported by the fact that the TFSI requires a lot more ignition spark energy than the manifold injection engines like our 1.8T.

[69clark]

I'm running the 06H coilpacks, without any issues, and no cracking. The reason I prefer the 06H version, is because it is made by Bosch, instead of a smaller company. You can't beat Bosch for top of the line electrics.

Amen to that! I am with you on this and that is why I asked for clarification as to what the issues were and a possible solution to the problem. Thats also why I wanted to find out if there ANY OTHER reasons that they reccomend not going with the 06H.

To me the price difference is so small that it really isn't a REAL reason, so I would assume that it is only because of the guys with cracks and misfires. And if my theory is correct, then there is a really easy fix to the problem (although it may only work with the v1.1 not the v1.2).

For some guys that aren't true "gearheads" I can understand that they just want to buy what someone tells them to and hope they don't have to worry about it again. For me, thats not good enough, I got to know why and how. Like you, am all about going with the 06h's and curious as to why they are cracking. If they are not cracking in the cars they can in (maybe they are, I don't know) then why ours? I think I am going to try my trick and see what works.

[drjonez]

...Like you, am all about going with the 06h's and curious as to why they are cracking. If they are not cracking in the cars they can in (maybe they are, I don't know) then why ours? I think I am going to try my trick and see what works.

They crack because of mis-alignment of the adaptors. It appears both the INA and 034 have a common problem in bending the coil slightly. The metal TSI coils can handle it, the plastic TFSI coils cannot.

[69clark]

They crack because of mis-alignment of the adaptors. It appears both the INA and 034 have a common problem in bending the coil slightly. The metal TSI coils can handle it, the plastic TFSI coils cannot.

Yeah, thats what I am figuring was the case. How are yours? Are you running 06h's? No cracks I assume?

The next thing I have to figure out is if the 06h's are actually the same as the others. I got the gist earlier in this thread that they were better than the others (but I will have to reread the thread tonight). If they are actually the same then I would prefer to go with the Bosch name. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself, why did Audi change to Bosch?

[drjonez]

Yeah, thats what I am figuring was the case. How are yours? Are you running 06h's? No cracks I assume?

Like diagnosticator, I am running the 06Hs for their hotter spark. I have THREE cracked ones after ~2k of driving. I zip tied the body to hold them together.

The next thing I have to figure out is if the 06h's are actually the same as the others. I got the gist earlier in this thread that they were better than the others (but I will have to reread the thread tonight). If they are actually the same then I would prefer to go with the Bosch name. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself, why did Audi change to Bosch?

As diagnosticator has indicated, they're not the same. The TFSI uses high voltage coils.

[69clark]

As diagnosticator has indicated, they're not the same. The TFSI uses high voltage coils.

Ahhh... I knew I read that somewhere in this thread (now I don't have to read the whole thread again, LOL), which was why I wanted to go with them originally. So yours cracked even after opening up the holes on the adapters? Now I can't wait to get my stuff and look into this issue with some actual parts, LOL.

[drjonez]

... So yours cracked even after opening up the holes on the adapters?...

Nope, I was an idiot and ran them as is even after identifying the fitment issues....which resulted in the cracking. I opened up the holes after the fact....BLAH!

[69clark]

Nope, I was an idiot and ran them as is even after identifying the fitment issues....which resulted in the cracking. I opened up the holes after the fact....BLAH!

Ahhh, that sucks.

[Wizard-of-OD]

They crack because of mis-alignment of the adaptors.

Unless the valve cover is "mis-aligned" I do not see how the adapters are at fault. We did open up the bore slightly but I have reiterated this a few times in this thread. The adapter is a mirror image inverted....it is a perfectly symmetrical part. We have some cars running 06H coils but as I stated above:

"The 07K's are cheaper , not plastic and do the same job. No reason to buy 06H's if you do not have to."

Why buy something for $X when you can have a cheaper product that does the same job , has no ill effects and looks the same externally? Yes I know its made by Bosch but the OEM coils in your engine are not.

[drjonez]

...Why buy something for $X when you can have a cheaper product that does the same job , has no ill effects and looks the same externally? Yes I know its made by Bosch but the OEM coils in your engine are not.

Because the 06H coils are higher voltage.

[Wizard-of-OD]

Because the 06H coils are higher voltage.

Is this confirmed? Ive been trying to get information out of Beru & Bosch with respect to the output of the coils and there are pretty tight lipped about what the coil specs are.

[drjonez]

I based it off of the emissions ratings of the two engines....

If I was at my previous job, I could measure each. Unfortunately, I don't have a 1000:1 probe anymore...

[69clark]

Unless the valve cover is "mis-aligned" I do not see how the adapters are at fault. We did open up the bore slightly but I have reiterated this a few times in this thread. The adapter is a mirror image inverted....it is a perfectly symmetrical part. We have some cars running 06H coils but as I stated above:

Not sure if you saw my original post about this (see below). Can you shed anylight on this? My point being the part probably IS symmetrical, but maybe thats not the issue. I will be able to confirm once I have my parts.


I can understand what you are saying here about being a symmetrical part. However, without know what the other side said, are they saying that the part isn't symmetrical, or that the hole for the coilpack is not positioned correctly relative to the holes for the mounting screws (there was a picture of this a few pages back)? As these are two completely different things.

[69clark]

Issam,
Do you have the specs for the bolts used for the v1.1 (pitch and length). For what ever reason my adapters didn't come with any.

[Wizard-of-OD]

I can understand what you are saying here about being a symmetrical part. However, without know what the other side said, are they saying that the part isn't symmetrical, or that the hole for the coilpack is not positioned correctly relative to the holes for the mounting screws (there was a picture of this a few pages back)? As these are two completely different things.

Understood which is why we opened the bore for the coil pack a couple thou but anything over that and you might as well not run an adapter period.

Issam,
Do you have the specs for the bolts used for the v1.1 (pitch and length). For what ever reason my adapters didn't come with any.

Should be an M6 x 25mm bolt.

[69clark]

Understood which is why we opened the bore for the coil pack a couple thou but anything over that and you might as well not run an adapter period.

Should be an M6 x 25mm bolt.

Thanks!

[diagnosticator]

I am skeptical the cause of the cracking 06H coils is due to the minor misalignment of the adapters. I think it is more likely the cause is due to compressive stress from the coil body expanding lengthwise as the engine heats up, and a stuck rubber seal in the adapter. With this in mind, I removed my CPs and lubed up the rubber seals using dielectric silicone grease to ensure the seals allow the CP to move lengthwise from temperature changes.

[akira112]

ygpm!

[shoemaker617]

Just curious, theirs an 8mm difference between the 07k and the 06a(which is the most up to date plug for the 1.8T). Anyone every tried modifying the plugs to fit??? Im gonna try it tonight for shits n giggles

[Wizard-of-OD]

I woudlnt modify a spark plug but thats me.

[CoreyRS]

yup, more in stock ready to rock.

Issam,

I contacted you via PM explaining that my girlfriend wanted to purchase some adapters for me for Christmas. She ordered them on December 10th. You posted the above on December 14th. On December 23rd, she sent you an email asking about their whereabouts. You told her that they were backordered.

Please understand my frustration and hers, I asked her to pay more by ordering from you to help support your business as another AZ advertiser when I could have gotten them from 034 (which you say are the same). She is leaving to come visit me across the country on the 29th, 19 days after she ordered them, 15 days after you stated that they were in stock. When will they arrive?

[69clark]

Should be an M6 x 25mm bolt.

Well, so far I am not liking the bolt selection I have found so far (cheap garbage). Can I just order a set of bolts from you for the v1.1 kit? If so, how much?

[n7plus1]

my 06h coils are still good. i used mobil 1 synthetic grease i had lying around to lube the rubber gasket on each coil.. similar to what diag did.

[Crispy222]

Well, so far I am not liking the bolt selection I have found so far (cheap garbage). Can I just order a set of bolts from you for the v1.1 kit? If so, how much?

I can send you some S/S ones when I get home to Syracuse after new years. I can get them from work. Much easier and faster than from Canada.

[Scientist]

Yeah, I lubed the coilpack seals with silicone spray, then installed the adapters on the coil packs, then inserted the coils with the adapters already located on the coilpack seals, into the plug wells until I felt the coil click onto the spark plug, then installed the screws, there is no down force on the coilpacks from the adapters, and the silicone spray lube helps the coilpack settle with the adapter without any downforce against the plug after installation. The coil pack must be able to float vertically as the coilpack heats up and expands length wise, and contract again as it cools down with the engine shut off after running. If the rubber seals are to dry in the adapters, then the heat up expansion will stress the coil pack in compression when hot, and as it cools, the stress from expansion lengthwise, decreases to nominal zero when cooled off. The thermal cycling if bound up in the seal will eventually crack the coilpack body. The same type of failure also seems evident from an unsupported coilpack as it vibrates sideways in the plug well, bending the coilpack body and causing the stress crack failures from that different failure mode.

After 12 grueling pages, finally a response that makes sense to me.

I'm also running stock boost and MAY flash it later on but that's about it. All I'm doing is make sure the turbo spools freely.

So now I feel I have the right combination.

Thanks from one Avant owner to another. And the rest of the crew, of course. ;)

[A4Maine-iac]

Yup. Worked for me as well. One thing that has been mentioned is how the coils dont go straight in. I took a pic of the 06H and the revision D's side by side. What i noticed is that half way down the D's there is a kind of a knuckle. Which alows a slight bend so they line up at the top. Hence the extra stress on the plastic and them cracking. I'll post pics when i get a moment. Just my findings.

[diagnosticator]

Silcone spray works good, however, dielectric silcone grease is even better, by providing a thick lubricating film between the rubber seal and the coilpack adapter.