Turbo warm-up myth....(stock standpoint)

**TURBOKRAUT** · 03-01-2011 10:50 AM

So I have to know what everybody thinks..(FROM A STOCK STANDPOINT!!!!)<******--LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS

I often see people discuss the importance of warming up your car before driving and definitely before boosting.

For those of you who have ever had a GERMAN Driver's license you would know that GERMANY is extremely environmentally friendly and that it is Illegal to leave your car idling/Warming up for any period of time.

So here is my issue,

If Germans are driving 300k on one timing belt and going 15k miles in between services
And we(AMERICANS) are only getting maybe 100k with a timing belt and servicing every 5k miles then
Why would we focus on something as little as letting your car warm up?
When it is more likely our stop and go traffic and immature driving habits.(I.E.)--Boosting around town all day in between stop lights at 5k RPM and then wondering why your car leaks oil out of the valve cover after 3 months.(you know who you are)
REMEMBER--The car isn't always a piece of S%^& when it breaks down...it could be you and the fact you SUCK at driving.

JUST A THOUGHT.

**hercfe** · 03-01-2011 11:01 AM

lol. brilliant post. i fully agree with everything you've said, but beware, because the nuthuggers with flamethrowers are coming.

warming up a car is a myth that was debunked when mass market carbueration went away. the only reason to warm up a car now is to get the heater up to speed for comfort. synthetic fluids and better clearance tolerances from the factories have made warming up cars needless, and very earth-unfriendly. perhaps more americans should learn to not drive like jackasses. of course, one thing you did leave out is our poor PT system. In Germany, mush like the rest of europe, public transit is spot on. even tiny hamlets have access to good PT. in the states, you are hard pressed to find a city with a really good PT system, even the first class cities like LA and NY have shitty mass transit compared to Europe. And the Europeans use the shit out of their mass transit system, whereas in the states, we would rather search for a parking spot for 2.5 hours than have to ride the, dare i say it, bus...

**Capt. Obvious** · 03-01-2011 11:02 AM

Modern cars don't need to be "warmed up". You can start your car on a cold morning and immediately start driving it. In fact, the owners manual suggests this as better practice than letting it idle.

This doesn't mean "start your engine, back out of the driveway and launch your car" though. It mean start the car and drive it like a normal human being for a few minutes to let it come up to operating temperature before you start driving it hard.

**daghstdrummer** · 03-01-2011 11:02 AM

valid thought...

**NOTORIOUS VR** · 03-01-2011 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by TURBOKRAUT

So here is my issue,

If Germans are driving 300k on one timing belt and going 15k miles in between services
And we(AMERICANS) are only getting maybe 100k with a timing belt and servicing every 5k miles then
Why would we focus on something as little as letting your car warm up?
When it is more likely our stop and go traffic and immature driving habits.(I.E.)--Boosting around town all day in between stop lights at 5k RPM and then wondering why your car leaks oil out of the valve cover after 3 months.(you know who you are)
REMEMBER--The car isn't always a piece of S%^& when it brakes down...it could be you and the fact you SUCK at driving.

JUST A THOUGHT.

WTF are you going on about... and where the hell did you come from? First the pictures of spark plugs that have nothing wrong with them and now this.

300k on a timing belt?

Can I have some of what you're smoking please?

**USAF Long** · 03-01-2011 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Capt. Obvious

Modern cars don't need to be "warmed up". You can start your car on a cold morning and immediately start driving it. In fact, the owners manual suggests this as better practice than letting it idle.

This doesn't mean "start your engine, back out of the driveway and launch your car" though. It mean start the car and drive it like a normal human being for a few minutes to let it come up to operating temperature before you start driving it hard.

I drive slow as hell until my car comes up to temp but unless I'm waiting for the windows to defog I maybe only sit like 30-45 seconds when its cold.

**AudiSportB5S4** · 03-01-2011 11:06 AM

Haha what! Some threads...

**csosnowski** · 03-01-2011 11:07 AM

^^lol.

hes made several valid points though.

nice edit, btw.

**TURBOKRAUT** · 03-01-2011 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR

WTF are you going on about... and where the hell did you come from? First the pictures of spark plugs that have nothing wrong with them and now this.

300k on a timing belt?

Can I have some of what you're smoking please?

HAHAHAAA like I said ....it was just a thought

**AudiSportB5S4** · 03-01-2011 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by csosnowski

^^lol.

hes made several valid points though.

nice edit, btw.

Haha.. Honestly because someone would probably say, this guy sucks. Never buying a VAST part off him.

**csosnowski** · 03-01-2011 11:09 AM

LOL, way to represent :)

**AudiSportB5S4** · 03-01-2011 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by TURBOKRAUT

HAHAHAAA like I said ....it was just a thought

You know who else posts a thread every time he has a thought?

Emil whatever the rest of his name is in the chatterbox!

Don't be that guy!

**TURBOKRAUT** · 03-01-2011 11:12 AM

Point taken

**99ebpsi24** · 03-01-2011 11:14 AM

And the spark plug pics were on a thread that was dead for over a year if I remember correct.

Have common sense people. It's not hard to treat a car the correct way and have it treat you well in return. There have been countless threads about this in the past no reason to create another... I think a lot of this is because of the age and immaturity of the new wave of b5 s4 owners..

**musicpbass** · 03-01-2011 12:03 PM

nuthuggers.....lmao

**Dimcorner** · 03-01-2011 12:10 PM

I have never warmed up my car by letting it sit idle. I always just get in it and go. No boost for about 5 mins thou or until I see the oil get past the first notch.

**Aphex350** · 03-01-2011 12:12 PM

I like the theory behind this but if we could get come concrete evidence it would make for a great discussion. Is it true that it is illegal to let a car idle in Germany? That sounds pretty vague maybe it's only in some parts of Germany?

**NOTORIOUS VR** · 03-01-2011 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Aphex350

I like the theory behind this but if we could get come concrete evidence it would make for a great discussion. Is it true that it is illegal to let a car idle in Germany? That sounds pretty vague maybe it's only in some parts of Germany?

Yes you're not allowed to unnecessarily idle your car. Wayyyyy back when people would even turn off their cars at a simple Red light. Now people only do that when there is the sign posted because tho's lights usually take longer then regular ones. People almost always turn off their cars at railroad crossings as well.

But I must be honest, I don't remember anything about idling being on the test in Germany when I did my license there, but that was 10+ years ago.

That said, in Ontario it is illegal to let your car idle for more then 3min @ the curb side as well. I wouldn't be surprised if this is law in some US states as well.

**xccess** · 03-01-2011 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR

WTF are you going on about... and where the hell did you come from? First the pictures of spark plugs that have nothing wrong with them and now this.

300k on a timing belt?

Can I have some of what you're smoking please?

he could be right with timing belt, I change my at 107k+ miles, the belt and the pump still look really good. no crack.

as for car warm up, there are a section in the manual or of of the booklet came with the car say it don't need to warm up at all

**Aphex350** · 03-01-2011 12:46 PM

From what I understand wouldn't turning the car off so frequently be pretty harsh to the engine since the oil won't be consistently running at optimal temperature? But I guess stop-and-go with the engine on is probably just as severe...lol maybe I just my own question

**NOTORIOUS VR** · 03-01-2011 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by xccess

he could be right with timing belt, I change my at 107k+ miles, the belt and the pump still look really good. no crack.

as for car warm up, there are a section in the manual or of of the booklet came with the car say it don't need to warm up at all

Show me a VAG car with such a long TB interval...

Timing chain? Yes... Not belt.

As for your situation, don't you think if Audi specified a certain interval they did it for a reason? And if you're so inclined to think that way, why do you think Audi shortened the TB change interval for the RS4?

**Dimcorner** · 03-01-2011 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Aphex350

From what I understand wouldn't turning the car off so frequently be pretty harsh to the engine since the oil won't be consistently running at optimal temperature? But I guess stop-and-go with the engine on is probably just as severe...lol maybe I just my own question

I don't think the oil will instantly drop temperature that quickly considering the block is still pretty frigging hot.

**TipTucker01** · 03-01-2011 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by 99ebpsi24

And the spark plug pics were on a thread that was dead for over a year if I remember correct.

Have common sense people. It's not hard to treat a car the correct way and have it treat you well in return. There have been countless threads about this in the past no reason to create another... I think a lot of this is because of the age and immaturity of the new wave of b5 s4 owners..

I completely agree. You are the car. You respect the car, the car respects you. You abuse the car, the car abuses you (and we all know how B5's are NOT forgiving vehicles lol)

**Aphex350** · 03-01-2011 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Dimcorner

I don't think the oil will instantly drop temperature that quickly considering the block is still pretty frigging hot.

True

**<CHILIBISKITS4>** · 03-01-2011 01:06 PM

id like to see where it says "german" cars can go 300k in between belt changes...

**HaVoKTheJoker** · 03-01-2011 01:40 PM

wow, this is new news...i was under the impression that you had to warm up the car for a longer period of time...usually would turn on the car get dressed in the morning..10-15mins later car would be ready to go..

**TURBOKRAUT** · 03-01-2011 01:46 PM

In Bavaria it is illegal, GERMANY is Very environmental it is a national LAW to Recycle. if you can't recycle then you can't throw away thrash ( that's pretty much how it works)

I had a friend spin out off the side off the road and he was fined for breaking down a tree and fined for because they determined that the tree could have lived another 6 years at least.

Dont believe me??? look it up...

**zakario** · 03-01-2011 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by HaVoKTheJoker

wow, this is new news...i was under the impression that you had to warm up the car for a longer period of time...usually would turn on the car get dressed in the morning..10-15mins later car would be ready to go..

jeeezus really?

**BRSFour** · 03-01-2011 01:49 PM

if you want to drive like a normal human being and not worry about letting the oil temperatures rise so you can boost safely, then you shouldn't own a twin turbo S4...

**NishadJoshi** · 03-01-2011 02:04 PM

Terherherrrr.

**NOTORIOUS VR** · 03-01-2011 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by TURBOKRAUT

In Bavaria it is illegal, GERMANY is Very environmental it is a national LAW to Recycle. if you can't recycle then you can't throw away thrash ( that's pretty much how it works)

I had a friend spin out off the side off the road and he was fined for breaking down a tree and fined for because they determined that the tree could have lived another 6 years at least.

Dont believe me??? look it up...

This is true... they charge you for everything there... Including Ketchup @ McDonalds.

**wan2play** · 03-01-2011 03:38 PM

Honestly, since companies halted the use of carburetors, warming up your car for an extended amount of time (2+ minutes) will do more harm than good.

In Europe, people dont drive as crazy as they in America. One reason is the lack of driving space on their roads andthe lack of the amount of driveable roads. And, many Euro countries have strict laws which do not offer 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances like here in the states.

Generally speaking, people take care of thier cars a lot more so than people in America.

**fdation** · 03-01-2011 03:40 PM

300k on a belt?i dont agree with that one but warming up the engine i knew wasnt a big deal.Now warming up for the turbo im not sure about so i wait until it gets up to temp before boosting the shit to the limit.

**fdation** · 03-01-2011 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dimcorner

I have never warmed up my car by letting it sit idle. I always just get in it and go. No boost for about 5 mins thou or until I see the oil get past the first notch.

Thats what i do and i would think its the safe way to do it.No boost until it gets warm enough.

**CrtchRktRcr** · 03-01-2011 04:02 PM

REMEMBER--The car isn't always a piece of S%^& when it brakes down...it could be you and the fact you SUCK at driving.

"break"*

**DiscoPotato** · 03-01-2011 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR

WTF are you going on about... and where the hell did you come from? First the pictures of spark plugs that have nothing wrong with them and now this.

300k on a timing belt?

Can I have some of what you're smoking please?

This right motha effin heaaa.

Dude 300k on a timing belt?? Really?

**rockcandy** · 03-01-2011 06:24 PM

mmmmmmmmm... boosting at 5k in between stop lights sounds like my cars life story. My valve covers haven't been leaking for years. What gives? bwahaha

I've seen timing belts that have 0 cracks on the smooth side of them, with half their teeth shredded off. Don't fool yourself. It is just rubber.

**tosh2.7** · 03-01-2011 06:25 PM

I dont care i let my car warm up for 10mins every morning. Nothing like cold leather with no heated seats

**tosh2.7** · 03-01-2011 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by rockcandy

mmmmmmmmm... boosting at 5k in between stop lights sounds like my cars life story. My valve covers haven't been leaking for years. What gives? bwahaha

I've seen timing belts that have 0 cracks on the smooth side of them, with half their teeth shredded off. Don't fool yourself. It is just rubber.

SOOOO true. seen that bite some ppl before. Don't forget the tensioner is what fails about 80% of the time