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    B7 A4 Tiptronic - ATF Replacement

    Hi Guys,
    Finally did my Tiptronic transmission flush & Pan filter at 100 000 miles. Here below a little DIY.

    Disclaimer: you are using this DIY at your own risk. This is for information ONLY and does not replace any Manufacturer approved documentation/procedure

    Even if really expensive, I highly recommend to using ONLY the OEM fluid



    Parts

    G060162A2 ATF fluid 6 liters (confirm the type of ATF with your VIN number at the Dealer. Incorrect fluid will damage your tranny)
    09L321371 Pan Gasket
    09L325429 Pan Filter

    Difficulty: 4
    Time: 3.5 hours
    Tools:

    Flat head screwdriver
    Small level
    7 mm Allen head socket
    17 mm Allen head socket
    T-25 Torx head socket
    A good ratchet set with extensions
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    Fluid pump (Harbor Freight - $8)
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    The car has to be level and high enough to crawl under. Here was my solution



    This procedure has to be performed only on an engine totally cold.
    Remove the rear splash guard covering the transmission belly pan
    Take a small level and check belly pan for level. Take measurements sideways and front to back. If the pan is not leveled, make appropriate adjustments until perfectly level. This is a very important step.




    Locate the 8mm Allen drain plug and the 17 mm Allen fill plug on the belly pan
    Blue arrow = Drain plug
    Red arrow = fill plug



    Loosen 17mm Allen fill plug first. Take an extension, the plug is tough to break loose. We want to make sure we can refill the transmission before we drain it. Do not remove it
    The, remove the drain plug (blue arrow) and drain the oil.
    Using the T-25 Torx head and ratchet, loosen the 27 fasteners holding the belly pan. Remove all but 1 fastener. Gently loosen the remaining screw and the pan will start to tilt, allowing draining of the ATF.
    Remove the old gasket and discard.

    Lifetime fluid…yeah right!!



    The next step involves wiping down the inside of the belly pan and cleaning the magnets. Solvents are not necessary and you do not want the risk of any residue solvents breaking down the new fluid. You can pull of the magnet, just remember to reinstall them.
    Pretty messy inside and you can clearly see the deposit on the magnets





    Just pull on the old filter and clip in place the new one




    Reinstall the Belly Pan and New Gasket
    Install all the screws by hand to make sure the gasket is properly centered all around



    Once all bolts are in place Torque to 10 Nm (7 ft lb). In order to achieve uniform torque, choose 2 fasteners opposite of each other as start points. Torque the fasteners in an alternating fashion until all are fully secured.

    Here are the CRITICAL STEPS:

    Hook up the VagCom cable and go to: Select Control Module > 02 Auto Trans > 08 Meas. Blocks > Group 004. This will allow you to monitor the temperature of the ATF fluid.



    Do NOT start vehicle yet, just keep the key in the ON position.

    With the car still OFF, begin pumping fluid back into the transmission. You will need to insert the hose up through the fill hole and towards front of the vehicle. It should take about 2.5 – 3 liters before some overflows. Hand tight the fill plug.
    Start the car. While keeping your foot on the brake, cycle through all the gears, holding each gear for 15 seconds. Go from “P” through “D” and back up from “D” to “P”. It is not necessary to run through the gears via the TIP mode. With the car in “P” and motor still running, remove the fill plug again and start pumping again until overflow. Also, be mindful that the ATF fluid temp must be below 40 degrees Celsius. Cycle through the gears again and pump fluid in until overflow while the car is still running. Repeat this process as many times as you can before the fluid reaches 40 degrees. Once you are approaching 40 degrees Celsius, re-install the fill plug before shutting off the motor. If you fail to do this, the car will dump fluid. Allow the car and fluid to cool down.

    Once the car and ATF Fluid cools down (I waited until 32 degrees Celsius) start the car again and cycle the gears, same as before. Open the fill plug and continue pumping fluid into the transmission until over flow. Continue to cycle the gears and pump fluid until you reach 40 Degrees. Once you reach 40 degrees, pump until overflow, and reinstall the fill plug. Once the fill plug is re-installed, shut off the motor. Torque the fill plug to 80Nm (59 ft lbs).
    If you did the process correctly, you should have gotten 5-5.5 liters into the transmission, minus the spillage. If you did not get at least six (6) quarts in, or if issues arose on the test drive, jack the car up again and allow to cool for several hours or overnight. Start the car, cycle the gears, remove the fill plug and keep pumping fluid until you get overflow at 40 degrees Celsius. Remember to re-insert the fill plug before shutting down the motor

    Then, I test drove the car and what a difference: No more kicking, not even slight, on any mode!

    Let me know if any question
    Phil
    Last edited by kristokes; 04-23-2011 at 09:25 PM. Reason: Approved for B7A4 Tech sub-forum

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    Wow, and I actually started a topic about this a few weeks back. Asked a shop about it and it came out to be over 500 bucks.

    So questions: You pretty much pump the fluid in while the car is on, if it gets too close to 40 degrees, you remove the filler hose, close the plug and kill the engine to let it cool, once it cools, repeat until you get to about the 5 liters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coderedpl View Post
    Wow, and I actually started a topic about this a few weeks back. Asked a shop about it and it came out to be over 500 bucks.

    So questions: You pretty much pump the fluid in while the car is on, if it gets too close to 40 degrees, you remove the filler hose, close the plug and kill the engine to let it cool, once it cools, repeat until you get to about the 5 liters?
    Exactly, if done correctly, you will refill with at list 5 liters minimum and 6 liters maximum.
    My exact amout 5 1/4 liters

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    Question---when you originally drained the fluid--did 5 1/4 liters come out?

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    Will save me 500 bucks. Where did you buy the parts?
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    Everything from the dealer

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    Cost on parts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coderedpl View Post
    Cost on parts?
    $350

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    Nice DIY....after seeing the quality(or lack ther of) of the old trans fluid, Do you still think 100k is the time to change it? or earlier?

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    From what I've read the tip fluid never needs changing, I know it's not even on the maintenance schedule I have. I could be wrong though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by event View Post
    From what I've read the tip fluid never needs changing, I know it's not even on the maintenance schedule I have. I could be wrong though.
    You are right but this is total bullsh**** from Audi. A Tip tranny needs to be flushed, just look at the fluid!
    For sure, Audi will prefer sell you a new tranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by event View Post
    From what I've read the tip fluid never needs changing, I know it's not even on the maintenance schedule I have. I could be wrong though.
    my service manual says 35k and 70k. Replace ATF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grada89 View Post
    my service manual says 35k and 70k. Replace ATF
    Tiptronic is lifetime....yeah right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fly300kts View Post
    Tiptronic is lifetime....yeah right!

    Phil
    lol i will take pictures.

    Its also on here. http://www.bentleypublishers.com/ima...ance.sched.pdf

    https://wiki.bentleypublishers.com/d...Cabriolet,+RS4

    easier to see on the link above ^^^
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    I'll change mine at 100k
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    this for audi a4 2.0 tfsi tiptronic ?

    G 060162A2 ATF fluid How much? 5 or 9 liters (full change)

    09l321371 oem gasket

    and plz give me OEM № Pan filter ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DioTrix View Post
    this for audi a4 2.0 tfsi tiptronic ?

    G 060162A2 ATF fluid How much? 5 or 9 liters (full change)

    09l321371 oem gasket

    and plz give me OEM № Pan filter ?
    Correct Audi A4 2.0 Quattro Tiptronic
    Get 6 liters of the ATF fluid and you can always return 1 if you did not use it.
    I left the invoice at the shop, I will post the pan filter Part Number tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by DioTrix View Post
    this for audi a4 2.0 tfsi tiptronic ?

    G 060162A2 ATF fluid How much? 5 or 9 liters (full change)

    09l321371 oem gasket

    and plz give me OEM № Pan filter ?
    Pan filter PN: 09L325429

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    Awesome DIY... Great job Phil!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fly300kts View Post

    Then, I test drove the car and what a difference: No more kicking, not even slight, on any mode!

    Let me know if any question
    Phil
    Great write up! Can you elaborate on the "kicking"? I might have the same problem, maybe changing ATF will fix it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by D0lphinGrey View Post
    Great write up! Can you elaborate on the "kicking"? I might have the same problem, maybe changing ATF will fix it?
    Let me try to define "kicking" the best I can:

    In "D" mode: first drive in the morning, the car was shifting pretty hard (up or down gear), even sometimes she was like slipping, RPM increasing by 200 between gear. When engine hot, arriving at a stop light for example, always kicking (not a smooth transition) from 3rd to 2nd and 2nd to 1st.
    In "S"mode, shifting pretty hard on 2nd and up.

    On a separate post, I was complaining about RPM fluctuation when the car was cold in the morning. I found a loose vaccum hose but sometimes, I was still having RPM fluctuations. This morning, in 6th gear, 1800 rpm, the needle was rock steady.

    Hope this will help
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    nice writeup Phil. with the kicking I mentioned earlier i might just fill some more fluid and properly cycle through each gear
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    bravo. i wonder what the dealership charges for this service if its 350 just for the parts!?! this will be on my to-do list shortly. for those of us that dont know, what is the comparison of the old fluid to the new fluid? im guessing its not supposed to be that dark??
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedS-line View Post
    bravo. i wonder what the dealership charges for this service if its 350 just for the parts!?! this will be on my to-do list shortly. for those of us that dont know, what is the comparison of the old fluid to the new fluid? im guessing its not supposed to be that dark??
    Got a quote from dealer: 3.5 Hrs x $135 = $472.5 + Taxes + Parts
    The new oil looks similar to the motor oil when new except the smell: this crap stinks bad !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fly300kts View Post
    Got a quote from dealer: 3.5 Hrs x $135 = $472.5 + Taxes + Parts
    The new oil looks similar to the motor oil when new except the smell: this crap stinks bad !!!

    Phil
    I beleive G060162A2 ATF that you said you used in OP is green not gold. I was very confused on this.

    I bought ZF gold which should be right for my car (06) even thou audi said G060162A2 (green) per my vin as the green would require the software update (I assume the reason they told me green is because that is what they would change it to in the shop with a flush and software update).

    I have no way to check which software I have but assume it has never been changed. Stuff that come out was black but could tell it used to be gold.

    Also my gasket needs to be 13 bolt, not 27 like yours. Hopefully I can get the right one this week. Looks like 09L321371A is part number I need.

    Filter is correct.

    My drain was 4mm allen.

    My fill is 17mm but did not have 17mm allen as who does. Made one with a bolt that is 17mm on head but nuts on other end would not hold. Maybe a lock washer would have helped... Anyways will soak pan fill bolt in PB blaster now that it is off. Smushed the threads on the 'tool' I made so may work as also added locktight so nuts would hold...

    Edit
    Ended up getting 17mm from HF and used impact gun to remove as pan was off so it would have been hard to hold it and wrench on bolt. Came right off:
    http://www.harborfreight.com/9-piece...set-67880.html

    Correct gasket coming today so can finish the job. Not sure I will be able to get trans temp via Torque Pro as some posts say B7 you can and another says not on B7.
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    Another excellent DYI by our friendly neighbourhood pilot!
    Good job, Phil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by airborneriflema View Post
    Another excellent DYI by our friendly neighbourhood pilot!
    Good job, Phil.
    Your welcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by airborneriflema View Post
    Another excellent DYI by our friendly neighbourhood pilot!
    Good job, Phil.
    Your welcome

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    Now would the procedure still be the same if you have a automatic CVT trans also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarunpatel View Post
    Now would the procedure still be the same if you have a automatic CVT trans also?
    I am not sure since I was not able to read/test the CVT model

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarunpatel View Post
    Now would the procedure still be the same if you have a automatic CVT trans also?
    This is not the same as CVT trans. ATF fluid, gasket, filter, fill and drain locations, and tools are different. The procedure is the similar though. I looked at Bently, and other forums, it seems that CVT requires a different tool to fill the fluid. It's using VAS 5162 vs VAS 6262.

    Phil, what tool did you use to refill the ATF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmadlang View Post
    Phil, what tool did you use to refill the ATF?

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    Hey Mark,

    No VAS tool required. This pump is perfect, Harbor Freight = $7



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    Another great DIY! One thing I did not see mentioned though, do you need a full version of VAG-COM from Ross Tech? or does the Ebay cable work?
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    Out of curiosity, why is it so important and crucial to have the car level?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coderedpl View Post
    Out of curiosity, why is it so important and crucial to have the car level?
    As you will see on the schematic here below, the top of the filling tube it's what makes the correct level. Since the tranny is pretty long, in case the car ls not level, the amount of oil will be incorrect, either too little or too much. The black arrow is showing the filling tube.



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    phill, why must we live so far from each other?

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    I may contact you when i reach 100k. :p

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    Again, this is for CVT, DSG or Manual and NOT Tiptronic !

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    Quote Originally Posted by fly300kts View Post
    Again, this is for CVT, DSG or Manual and NOT Tiptronic !

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    LOL at Phils frustration..now someone is going to see the not tiptronic part and ask what transmission you have LOL hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by fly300kts View Post
    Again, this is for CVT, DSG or Manual and NOT Tiptronic !

    phil
    Makes more sense now....but totally agree there's no way ATF is lifetime no matter what transmission it is.

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