Audizines Official 60-130 Standing Mile List updated and improved.

[AudiSportB5S4]

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[skinnytirez]

Has anyone compared the difference between vag-com logs, and a gps based logger?

I am just finishing a GPS class at University, and there is more error in the GPS system than most people realize...without a known geological benchmark on the ground there is a good chance the GPS is off +/- 10%
Just curious...

I think this link elaborates on a few of the most common causes of GPS inaccuracy: http://www.kowoma.de/en/gps/errors.htm

[AudiSportB5S4]

^ Well look at that... I think we should just start counting old school style. One thousand one, one thousand two, etc.

[Jason@Addict]

5.1 100-200? what where the rpms at 200?

Kph

[skinnytirez]

^ Well look at that... I think we should just start counting old school style. One thousand one, one thousand two, etc.

lol- nothing more accurate than the good ol' butt dyno

+1 will someone with a V-box, and a vag-com go for a drive please... I curious to see how much of a difference there is

[S4-ORCE]

Stop. Don't even try because we did over the weekend in a car and bounced off that shit at just around 125. If your REV limiter is there you will not make it and only feel like shit afterwards!

Yea I wasn't planning onto anyway. I know my car well it won't do 130 in 4th.

[S4-ORCE]

I know for a fact that our ratio is over 1 for 4th, a hair over.. As you have stated there with 1.032. When we do dyno runs, you'll certainly get a higher number in 3rd because its on the low side of 1 but 4th which most people prefer for realistic data has always been stated as a bit over. What you posted is EXACTLY correct in that 7100 RPM is 124mph for us and thats where most rev limiters are.



Awesome.. So fast!

People who dyno in 4th gear need to realize okay it might be 1 to 1 BUT you're not going to get sufficient cooling with fans to simulate the car doing 120+MPH on the dyno. Food for thought..

3rd gear dyno unless you're making UBER power and you spin tires on the dyno in 3rd.

[gearhead1186]

I know for a fact that our ratio is over 1 for 4th, a hair over.. As you have stated there with 1.032. When we do dyno runs, you'll certainly get a higher number in 3rd because its on the low side of 1 but 4th which most people prefer for realistic data has always been stated as a bit over. What you posted is EXACTLY correct in that 7100 RPM is 124mph for us and thats where most rev limiters are.

Thats not entirely true. Getting enough fan to simulate that kind of speed on the dyno is very difficult. On a load dyno, there is barely any noticeable between 3rd and 4th gear numbers.

[S4-ORCE]

Thats not entirely true. Getting enough fan to simulate that kind of speed on the dyno is very difficult. On a load dyno, there is barely any noticeable between 3rd and 4th gear numbers.

Exactly what I said. This is very true alot of shops don't think about this small fact.

[gearhead1186]

Exactly what I said. This is very true alot of shops don't think about this small fact.

great minds think alike

[S4-ORCE]

great minds think alike

[Audi_S4]

On the VBOX my car did exactly 214 km/h / 133mph in 4th gear before I hit the limiter at around 7250rpm with stock DSY box
I'll try with OEM RS4 FDP box next week!

[zdriver]

My 4th gear was falling on it's face so hard. Stupid meth leak and insane CFs. I need to get a good 60-130 soon

What are you expecting for a 60-130 time with a clean run? I'm struggling with meth leaks in my VAST system and cant decide/find what fittings to stop the leaks


edit: sorry didnt realize that was on page 1 of 3... high 7's seems pretty solid to me

[Evilevo]

What are you expecting for a 60-130 time with a clean run? I'm struggling with meth leaks in my VAST system and cant decide/find what fittings to stop the leaks

No clue, I would hope for 6s on pump gas. But you never know.

Make sure you have a good straight cut on the end of the tube that goes into the fittings. Push it in and then pull out on the tube to lock it into place. :hmm that sounded dirty:

[zdriver]

Thanks for the tip, i'll throw a new piece of hose in there tonight an see what happens im sick of leakinn haha

:very dirty:

[TweetsS4Estate]

@ JPM : Told you so :-)

@ Tweets yes I have a VBOX!

Well send me your stuff then!! haha

[TweetsS4Estate]

Stop. Don't even try because we did over the weekend in a car and bounced off that shit at just around 125. If your REV limiter is there you will not make it and only feel like shit afterwards!

FATs times for those who are asking really don't mean anything unless we're talking exact same stretch of road (when you're talking small variations). Example. I'll do a 3.1-3.2 on my slight incline of a road. My interpretation of the slight incline could be something most people wouldn't do because they could see it as not flat enough. When you're talking tenths of a second either direction, 2-3 tenths, the cars are identically fast.

No mike, my car at 7250 barely, and I mean barely would clear 130.

[TweetsS4Estate]

Has anyone compared the difference between vag-com logs, and a gps based logger?

I am just finishing a GPS class at University, and there is more error in the GPS system than most people realize...without a known geological benchmark on the ground there is a good chance the GPS is off +/- 10%
Just curious...

I think this link elaborates on a few of the most common causes of GPS inaccuracy: http://www.kowoma.de/en/gps/errors.htm

I posted the difference. one of my 2 shift logs was 10.0 on ECUX and 9.8 on V-box

[TweetsS4Estate]

Also the log has been sent to be verified. I will post when I get it back.

[S4-ORCE]

More 60-130 Content...This Time on MS109 and Race Gas File...9.6!

[TweetsS4Estate]

AWESOME! I will put your numbers up there as un verified. He is taking forever to get back to me for some reason.. Send me the dbn when you get the time. Also can you post the full mod list.

[TweetsS4Estate]

OP updated! way to go S4-orce, Great numbers!

[TweetsS4Estate]

Just ran a 10.2 with my Stage 3 S4 3/4 TANK OF PUMP GAS

Update verified 10.24! less than 1% decline, he said it was practically nothing. Good stuff!

[S4-ORCE]

Mod list: K04's(21-22psi I run the same boost on 109 as well!) 60lb injectors ER IC's W/ Shrouds ASP Tune CM Stage 4 Clutch & LWFW No Spare/Tools Full Interior Enkei NT03 Wheels (18-19lbs each) Alcon BBK H&R Coilovers JHM Transmission W/ Shifter + Linkage RS4 Engine Mounts 034 Tranny Mounts ASP DTS Apikol Rear Diff Mount That's All I can remember lol there are probably more but nothing to affect how fast the car is.


I sent over the file for the 9.6 Tweet

[Espen W]

People who dyno in 4th gear need to realize okay it might be 1 to 1 BUT you're not going to get sufficient cooling with fans to simulate the car doing 120+MPH on the dyno. Food for thought..

3rd gear dyno unless you're making UBER power and you spin tires on the dyno in 3rd.

MRC always dynos in 5th gear (reaching crazy speeds in the process)

[Espen W]

I know for a fact that our ratio is over 1 for 4th, a hair over..

Official ratio for B5 S4 4th gear is 0.967:
http://ctny.audiworld.com/mark/s4/gears/gear_calc.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_S4

[S4-ORCE]

MRC always dynos in 5th gear (reaching crazy speeds in the process)

That's stupid

[TweetsS4Estate]

updated, S4-ORCE ran a 9.58 60-130!

[Espen W]

Not bad. By bumping the speed limiter so that he can stay in 4th, he will shave a second off the time. We can see from the graph that he is actually losing noticeable speed during the shift. It is at approx 124mph @ 7.75s and slows to 122mph at 8.1s, so the shift totally kills the time to 130.
100-200kmh appears to be approx 7.5s.
A 4th only 100-200 pull would most likely be closer to 7 seconds flat.

[TweetsS4Estate]

lets keep the info rolling guys!

[TweetsS4Estate]

I am doing 60-130s with my brothers TBSS tomorrow as well as my dads stock ish TBSS. Keep the info rolling.

[JPM-Engineering]

Stock k03

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...p/P1040785.jpg

1/4 mile v-box

12,66 at 111,2mph
80km to 140km from 65km en 3gear 4,1 seg
100km to 200km from 3gear at 65km 12,2 seg

temp 18 degrees Celsius.
Will send the info later I have to down load the file.

Regards

[Espen W]

JPM: what is the approx. elevation of your Pbox test site (and dyno site)?
With so much torque vs hp, a no shift 4th gear pull is most definitely faster 100-200kmh

[JPM-Engineering]

Dyno is at 600-15 mts over sea , where I usually test the car is at 675 mts , I did test in 4gear the measurments are about the same give or take a tens. the problem now its getting hotter with 5 degrees ( celsius)of a change the times vary 0.2-3 aprox I try to test with the same ambient temp, otherwise is not accurate.
Regards.

Here is a better pic of the Dyno.

CF 1.00 uncorrect temp 30 degrees celcius 40% humity 1014 ambient pressure.

SAE the number jump to 320whp a over 400lbs of torque is this matter at all.

[JPM-Engineering]

1/4 mile v-box

12,68 at 112,2mph
80km to 140km from 65km en 3gear 4,0 seg
100km to 200km from 4gear at 65km 12,0 seg

temp 17 degrees Celsius.

new modification

new m7 nozzles from m6. 100% meth.

coming ER smic and 2,5 Dp 100cel cats.

Regards.

[Espen W]

Let us see some numbers, folks.

[alexverve]

People who dyno in 4th gear need to realize okay it might be 1 to 1 BUT you're not going to get sufficient cooling with fans to simulate the car doing 120+MPH on the dyno. Food for thought..

3rd gear dyno unless you're making UBER power and you spin tires on the dyno in 3rd.

forced induction cars are not affected as much by luck of air flow on the dyno as NA cars are. and cooling - u r doing a single pull, not repeated. u need lots of cooling if u do repeated pulls. on a dyno, u floor it once in 4th gear, by the time temperatures rise to the level where it affects the performance, u r already done. plus, many guys run W/M, which again for a single run negates any "luck" of real air. look at graphs people post of intake temperatures. on the other hand, 3 vs 4th gear is a big difference. because ratio is ratio. simple physics. go ride a multi-gear bike and tell me u do not feel difference between 1st and 2nd gear...

[gearhead1186]

forced induction cars are not affected as much by luck of air flow on the dyno as NA cars are. and cooling - u r doing a single pull, not repeated. u need lots of cooling if u do repeated pulls. on a dyno, u floor it once in 4th gear, by the time temperatures rise to the level where it affects the performance, u r already done. plus, many guys run W/M, which again for a single run negates any "luck" of real air. look at graphs people post of intake temperatures. on the other hand, 3 vs 4th gear is a big difference. because ratio is ratio. simple physics. go ride a multi-gear bike and tell me u do not feel difference between 1st and 2nd gear...

your airflow comment is incorrect. at a recent dyno day lacking fan, all s4s dropped significantly in power after their first 4th gear pull while two LS cars punched out numbers that were within 5hp. even if you were correct, who does a single pull on the dyno? the logs people post are done on the street with sufficient cooling, not on a dyno w/o enough fan. too bad I dumped the logs I took on the dyno. You would see the obnoxious rise in IATs. 3rd gear pulls on a load dyno FTW!

[alexverve]

your airflow comment is incorrect. at a recent dyno day lacking fan, all s4s dropped significantly in power after their first 4th gear pull while two LS cars punched out numbers that were within 5hp. even if you were correct, who does a single pull on the dyno? the logs people post are done on the street with sufficient cooling, not on a dyno w/o enough fan. too bad I dumped the logs I took on the dyno. You would see the obnoxious rise in IATs. 3rd gear pulls on a load dyno FTW!

that is exactly what i said... first run it is not affected drastically. 3 vs 4th gear ratio affects every run....
your car right now is probably putting out on the street 20-30whp more then it will on 90 degrees summer day. that is a known fact.

[gearhead1186]

that is exactly what i said... first run it is not affected drastically. 3 vs 4th gear ratio affects every run....
your car right now is probably putting out on the street 20-30whp more then it will on 90 degrees summer day. that is a known fact.

i apologize if I misunderstood but this suggests the opposite is true.

forced induction cars are not affected as much by luck of air flow on the dyno as NA cars are.