Is 500+hp too much?

[quuiksilver]

I just got my 2001 Audi S4 and have scheduled some modifications. How's the drivability of a stage 3 in downtown conditions?

[Haenszel20v]

perfectly fine. And a stg3 won't be 500hp.

[AudiSportB5S4]

perfectly fine. And a stg3 won't be 500hp.

Crank? Sure. If you have a strong K04 setup @ 400ish WHP taking a 25% DTL, you're at +100 at the crank, so 500. Sure that number varies depending upon an OTS tune, one on meth, different gas etc. 93+meth tune on K04s running 24psi is right around 400WHP +/- some.

- OP, certainly not. Depending upon who you choose as a tuner, as long as it isn't some street garbage but from a reputable company it'll be smooth as butter until you punch it, when it should be still smooth but pretty damn fast for your average car.

[quuiksilver]

http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/shar...train&IL=rsk04

this gave me the 500+ hp impression

[Aggv]

The bigger the turbos the less drivable it becomes due to spool characteristics of large turbos. That being said, this thread and your thread title are stupid. And YES, if you have to ask if 500 is too much hp, then it is too much horsepower for you....

[quuiksilver]

The bigger the turbos the less drivable it becomes due to spool characteristics of large turbos. That being said, this thread and your thread title are stupid. And YES, if you have to ask if 500 is too much hp, then it is too much horsepower for you....

;)
I was asking for advice because I want to go all out, but I also need to be able to go through downtown without too much "jerkiness". Obviously I have not owned a car with that much power before, thus I asked the question before dropping $8,000+.

[MikeyB3]

thread title IS, not are...

Technically, he's right with 'ARE' because he's referring to two or more things.
Good Example: Justin Bieber IS stupid... Justin Bieber and shitty roads ARE stupid.

Bad example: Justin Bieber and shitty roads IS stupid.

[KNaudi]

you'll be fine. in the grand scheme of things, K04s are still pretty small turbos. I DD mine in 'downtown' conditions (DC/NoVA) and its basically no different than k03s. you'll be totally fine.

[JCN83]

thread title IS, not are...

and I was asking for advice because I want to go all out, but I also need to be able to go through downtown without too much "jerkiness". Obviously I have not owned a car with that much power before, thus I asked the question before dropping $8,000+.

Ditto. I couldn't believe how "stock" my VAST tune feels around town. But...push that pedal a bit harder and...hold on.

[quuiksilver]

Technically, he's right with 'ARE' because he's referring to two or more things.
Good Example: Justin Bieber IS stupid... Justin Bieber and shitty roads ARE stupid.

Bad example: Justin Bieber and shitty roads IS stupid.

haha, oops!
thanks :)

[quuiksilver]

Ditto. I couldn't believe how "stock" my VAST tune feels around town. But...push that pedal a bit harder and...hold on.

Thanks!

[sean1.8t]

The bigger the turbos the less drivable it becomes due to spool characteristics of large turbos. That being said, this thread and your thread title are stupid. And YES, if you have to ask if 500 is too much hp, then it is too much horsepower for you....

actually, i find drivability to be much much MUCH improved with my gt28rs over my k03 on my 1.8t. less torque spikes and it can actually move out of it's own way.

drivability is a relative term for every individual. just depends on what they want and what their driving style is

[BENI_BOY]

The bigger the turbos the less drivable it becomes due to spool characteristics of large turbos. That being said, this thread and your thread title are stupid. And YES, if you have to ask if 500 is too much hp, then it is too much horsepower for you....

dude k04s are small! OP k04s react the same as k03s..the thing is its the clutch (when you upgrade because of stg3) that makes driving in the city rough..i recommend a southbend stage 2 clutch feels "sorta" like stock

[quuiksilver]

dude k04s are small! OP k04s react the same as k03s..the thing is its the clutch (when you upgrade because of stg3) that makes driving in the city rough..i recommend a southbend stage 2 clutch feels "sorta" like stock

Good advice man, thank you

[AudiSportB5S4]

dude k04s are small! OP k04s react the same as k03s..the thing is its the clutch (when you upgrade because of stg3) that makes driving in the city rough..i recommend a southbend stage 2 clutch feels "sorta" like stock

Go drive a K03 car after driving a K04 car for longer than a year or two, you'll think the K03s have steroids down low. K03 cars feel peppier around town than even K04s still being a small frame turbo. Going from K03 **> K04 you don't notice as much as you do when you've been on K04s for a while and drive a K03 car. Ya feel me dawg?

[MikeyB3]

Go drive a K03 car after driving a K04 car for longer than a year or two, you'll think the K03s have steroids down low. K03 cars feel peppier around town than even K04s still being a small frame turbo. Going from K03 **> K04 you don't notice as much as you do when you've been on K04s for a while and drive a K03 car. Ya feel me dawg?

I'd still take a >K03 turbo any day. ... I still have mine, wanna trade

[AudiSportB5S4]

I'd still take a >K03 turbo any day. ... I still have mine, wanna trade

haha.. Well of course we all would, but I'm just saying, there certainly is a noticeable increase in around town lag even with the K04s.

Lol, sure straight trade.. Sounds about right!

[WMi_S4]

dude k04s are small! OP k04s react the same as k03s..the thing is its the clutch (when you upgrade because of stg3) that makes driving in the city rough..i recommend a southbend stage 2 clutch feels "sorta" like stock

I have to completely disagree with this. My roommate Reid has a VAST stg4 clutch on his silver sedan and I would DD that over my stock clutch any day, hands down. It is a night and day difference, my stock clutch feels like a limp dick after driving Reid's car. Then again, this is totally subjective so to each their own :)

[Mooseimage]

I'd go with a Stage 3 clutch at least to make sure it can handle the power of Stage 3 cars reliably.

[quuiksilver]

My roommate Reid has a VAST stg4 clutch on his silver sedan and I would DD that over my stock clutch any day, hands down. It is a night and day difference, my stock clutch feels like a limp dick after driving Reid's car.

lol

[julex]

IMOH driveability is the same regardless of turbo size in "downtown" conditions which in my mind means stop-and-go traffic and no space to go faster than 30 mph... You won't have a change to even spool k04s so you will be pegging with your NA power all day long.

Now, what does affect that A LOT is your clutch choice. If you go all out and buy Stage 10000 clutch with 1/2 ceramic puck in it holding 10,000ft/lb then you will end up with binary clutch which will only have two modes of operation: disengaged and fully engaged, nothing in between. And you better start training these left leg muscles now as you will need them!

Just make sure to pick a nice clutch, I can't recommend anything more than Vast Stage 3 hybrid ceramic-organic clutch with RS4 PP. This will hold all the stage 3 power you can throw at it while behaving like stock clutch as far as pedal feel goes.

[Aggv]

While there will be a lot more lag with the larger turbo, it's not as tho we have some shitty 4 banger with no guts until the turbos spool. I have K03's which rarely EVER see boost since i hardly ever need to rev above 3k rpm's. While lag sucks, it is in no way a "big" deal with a 2.7 V6 still being able to supply trq and some pep with out boost.

[BENI_BOY]

I have to completely disagree with this. My roommate Reid has a VAST stg4 clutch on his silver sedan and I would DD that over my stock clutch any day, hands down. It is a night and day difference, my stock clutch feels like a limp dick after driving Reid's car. Then again, this is totally subjective so to each their own :)

how about reid come in here and say that..jameskk3 has a stage 4 clutch and let me drive his car on the strip at h20 and i honestly would have denied him if he told me to drive his car again on the strip..we had to time leaving h20 perfectly to avoid traffic coming home because he said he cant drive the car in traffic because how sucky it was to go stop and go with that clutch..and moose my brother has a stg2 on his stg3 and trust me if it has lasted this long with his driving it has proven its self lol

[WMi_S4]

how about reid come in here and say that..jameskk3 has a stage 4 clutch and let me drive his car on the strip at h20 and i honestly would have denied him if he told me to drive his car again on the strip..we had to time leaving h20 perfectly to avoid traffic coming home because he said he cant drive the car in traffic because how sucky it was to go stop and go with that clutch..and moose my brother has a stg2 on his stg3 and trust me if it has lasted this long with his driving it has proven its self lol

What did you not like about the VAST stg4? Yes, the pedal feel is *much* firmer than stock and does require some extra effort to depress the pedal compared to stock, but the engagement and how the clutch grabs significantly outweighs the disadvantage you pointed out. Hell, I hate DDing my stock clutch in traffic...

jameskk3 sounds like a little wuss to me

[B5//S4]

Technically, he's right with 'ARE' because he's referring to two or more things.
Good Example: Justin Bieber IS stupid... Justin Bieber and shitty roads ARE stupid.

Bad example: Justin Bieber and shitty roads IS stupid.

No. Technically, you are wrong.
"That being said, this thread and your thread title are stupid."
Subject "thread title" conflicts with verb "are."
"this thread" is a subject on its own. "thread title" is another subject on its own.
Example: this thread (leave out "and your thread title") are stupid. = this thread are stupid. Boy! That sounds odd. Now lets fix it. This thread is stupid. Yes! Much better.
Let's move on to the next subject in the sentence, "thread title".
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Now lets look at MikeyB3's example. He is correct. But his example is completely different then the actual sentence he is trying to prove to be correct. Here is why.

"Technically, he is right with 'ARE' because he is referring to two or more things.(This is where you are wrong. By referring to two things, the "subject" must be plural. Two different subjects does not make something "plural". "Thread" and "thread title" are two singular subjects.)
Good Example: Justin Bieber IS stupid(this is correct because it is a singular subject)... Justin Bieber and shitty roads ARE stupid.(this is also correct. Because shitty roads is plural, referring to two or more things. This is why your example does not have anything to do with your argument.)

Bad example: Justin Bieber and shitty roads IS stupid."(this is a correct example.)

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Thank you for wasting my time.

quuiksilver, your are correct.

[quuiksilver]

No. Technically, you are wrong.
"That being said, this thread and your thread title are stupid."
Subject "thread title" conflicts with verb "are."
"this thread" is a subject on its own. "thread title" is another subject on its own.
Example: this thread (leave out "and your thread title") are stupid. = this thread are stupid. Boy! That sounds odd. Now lets fix it. This thread is stupid. Yes! Much better.
Let's move on to the next subject in the sentence, "thread title".
Example: this (leave out "thread and your") thread title are stupid. = this thread title are stupid. Wow! That also sounds odd. Now lets fix this one too. This thread title is stupid.
Now lets look at MikeyB3's example. He is correct. But his example is completely different then the actual sentence he is trying to prove to be correct. Here is why.

"Technically, he is right with 'ARE' because he is referring to two or more things.(This is where you are wrong. By referring to two things, the "subject" must be plural. Two different subjects does not make something "plural". "Thread" and "thread title" are two singular subjects.)
Good Example: Justin Bieber IS stupid(this is correct because it is a singular subject)... Justin Bieber and shitty roads ARE stupid.(this is also correct. Because shitty roads is plural, referring to two or more things. This is why your example does not have anything to do with your argument.)

Bad example: Justin Bieber and shitty roads IS stupid."(this is a correct example.)

In a sentence with two or more subjects, one of them must be plural in order to use "are". If the subjects are all singular, "is" must be used.

Thank you for wasting my time.

quuiksilver, your are correct.

;)

[NYCVR6]

There's no such thing as too much hp.

[WMi_S4]

No. Technically, you are wrong.
"That being said, this thread and your thread title are stupid."
Subject "thread title" conflicts with verb "are."
"this thread" is a subject on its own. "thread title" is another subject on its own.
Example: this thread (leave out "and your thread title") are stupid. = this thread are stupid. Boy! That sounds odd. Now lets fix it. This thread is stupid. Yes! Much better.
Let's move on to the next subject in the sentence, "thread title".
Example: this (leave out "thread and your") thread title are stupid. = this thread title are stupid. Wow! That also sounds odd. Now lets fix this one too. This thread title is stupid.
Now lets look at MikeyB3's example. He is correct. But his example is completely different then the actual sentence he is trying to prove to be correct. Here is why.

"Technically, he is right with 'ARE' because he is referring to two or more things.(This is where you are wrong. By referring to two things, the "subject" must be plural. Two different subjects does not make something "plural". "Thread" and "thread title" are two singular subjects.)
Good Example: Justin Bieber IS stupid(this is correct because it is a singular subject)... Justin Bieber and shitty roads ARE stupid.(this is also correct. Because shitty roads is plural, referring to two or more things. This is why your example does not have anything to do with your argument.)

Bad example: Justin Bieber and shitty roads IS stupid."(this is a correct example.)

In a sentence with two or more subjects, one of them must be plural in order to use "are". If the subjects are all singular, "is" must be used.

Thank you for wasting my time.

quuiksilver, your are correct.

Now that this is out of the way, can we move on?

[B5//S4]

I know right? Just one of those things that can irritate the hell out of you.
Back on topic. Stage 3 is fine for a DD. I have some friends that both DD on RS6's VAST tuned. Allot has to do with how you drive. And as stated before, clutch set up. But what do I know I drive a TIP. ;) (at least its Santorin!)

[americanthunder]

I'm running tial 605's with a spec 3+/stock flywheel. I'm probably some where close to or just south of 600 at the crank, and I daily drive my car. Its honestly pretty damn good, you wont have any problems with ko4's and a middle ground clutch. Its still a V6 not even taking turbo's into account.

If you really wanna go big though give EPL a call and talk to them.

[Mooseimage]

how about reid come in here and say that..jameskk3 has a stage 4 clutch and let me drive his car on the strip at h20 and i honestly would have denied him if he told me to drive his car again on the strip..we had to time leaving h20 perfectly to avoid traffic coming home because he said he cant drive the car in traffic because how sucky it was to go stop and go with that clutch..and moose my brother has a stg2 on his stg3 and trust me if it has lasted this long with his driving it has proven its self lol

That's pretty cool. I just figured that with the Stage 2 clutch spec/ratings (from what I remember 1.5 years ago), a Stage 3 clutch would provide a much safer buffer zone. Plus, I like to have as large a buffer as possible when it comes to almost anything.

[spa]

I daily my vast rs6 car with their stg 3 clutch, hell my mom could dd it, all is normal and feels pretty damn stock that is until you push the go pedal hard:)

[BENI_BOY]

What did you not like about the VAST stg4? Yes, the pedal feel is *much* firmer than stock and does require some extra effort to depress the pedal compared to stock, but the engagement and how the clutch grabs significantly outweighs the disadvantage you pointed out. Hell, I hate DDing my stock clutch in traffic...

jameskk3 sounds like a little wuss to me

thats the thing tho..they made the stock pedal soft so its easier to drive, makes sence. you said you completely disagree with me when in fact i answered the OPs question on if stage 3 is a good DD in the city. but its not the turbos that make the difference in driving its the clutch like i mentioned. OP made this thread on DDing a stage 3 car so that is what hes worried about so y would you recommend a stage 4 when a stage 2 handles stage 3 and feels 10x better then a stage 4...and to answer your question y i dont like the stage 4 is that you need to be perfect on how you engage it..like for example if im at a light and not paying attention and someone beeps at you to get going so rush it but if you dont make it perfect you'll jerk the shit out of the car or stall it and that sucks

[Sscott09]

There's no such thing as too much hp.

x2

[Jason@Addict]

Stage 3 power levels are very reasonable for a daily driver. Typically with AWE we see 300-320whp on our states 92 octane. At these levels you can still run a fairly friendly clutch for traffic use. Key is keeping up on basic maintenance and avoiding abuses like cold boosting, hard 1-2 shifts, and launching.

Good luck!

[Jurjen]

actually, i find drivability to be much much MUCH improved with my gt28rs over my k03 on my 1.8t. less torque spikes and it can actually move out of it's own way.

drivability is a relative term for every individual. just depends on what they want and what their driving style is

I agree. I have Gt2554's on my car, and I actually like daily driving it over the k03's.

Stage2+, the car was almost too snappy, too much low end torque. Now, the powerband has smoothed right out, builds gradually vs the on-off torque K03's provide.

I DO miss the right hand turn/full throttle in 2nd gear acceleration though. But as someone else stated, we still have a V6 :)

[sherbet]

hehehe. If only I had 500 chp. Some one with big turbos want to lend me some? But on a serious note, I know a guy who DD's his Wicked RS6 Car, with a Full drag clutch. Lol, the clutch is stoopid, but he still does it.

[VR6Bomber]

500 is when the fun starts.

[noob5]

*sigh*
I'm at 400 hp / 417 tq to the wheels and now I yearn for that holeeey shiiiite feeling I had going from stock to stg3. I guess my next thing is meth and perhaps a less restrictive exhaust, but not much more to do on ko4's after that.
I've been daily driving the Q now, so that I can look forward to driving the S on the weekends.
*sigh*
OP, 500 crank hp is not enough!!! Go with RS6's or bigger.

As far as stop-n'-go traffic, my setup has been smooth as butter...very drivable.

[gotawd11]

I'd have to agree with what everyone has been saying. I new to the B5 S4 community, but I've done steady upgrades to get to stage 3 and there has been no changes in feel or driveability. Just as long as the tune is good.