The Almighty 2.7T Engine

[Manny]

Thought the title would attract a lot of people :)

Anyway, my concern is this.

How much can the 2.7t engine take? Ive seen people beating on these cars harder than any other car. I really don't think the engine was made to take all that beating. Its an Audi, not an Sti or Evolution. And I cant imagine how it holds off when people put stage 3 on their 100k motor. The engine is tired and weaker at that mileage and then it gets even more pounding? I kinda feel bad for those cars..

Who gets what I'm saying?

[KNaudi]

Who gets what I'm saying?

not me.

[jukesandz]

You're right. Let's all buy STi's and Evo's.

[M.S4]

this is a dumb thread.

[Cadiburns]

Who gets what I'm saying?

Not me either. The 2.7 block was designed for forced induction and they made a sturdy engine. EOT. This doesn't need to be discussed.

[Manny]

You're right. Let's all buy STi's and Evo's.

Im not saying that, I'm saying sti's and evo's were built for beating, not audi's.

[supremedk]

I recently did a leak down on a 130k mile stage 2+ car, 2% across the board, Enough said!!

[NOTORIOUS VR]

Who gets what I'm saying?

Totally dude! I totally get you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

[M.S4]

I've seen more 2.0T FSI engines blow up because of faulty cam followers and 3L timing belts breaking than 2.7t's from a "weak" engine that was made for forced induction.

Plenty of people daily their stage 3, including myself.

[TighTT]

Im not saying that, I'm saying sti's and evo's were built for beating, not audi's.

I think we all understand what you're saying....we just disagree.
You've fallen under the spell of the all-mighty advertising/marketing guru's......making you think that somehow STI's or EVO's are built more soundly than S4's.

Nope.

Alot of what you pay for in higher end cars (especially German cars IMO) is over-engineering. Just look at the 5 banger in found in the old RS2's.....one of the sickest motors of all time.

[Tormented]

What makes you feel like STI's or EVO's are anymore "sturdy" than the S4's? Because allot of people buy them for the stock power and put stupid money into said vehicle? That just means its a good place to start not that those platforms are anymore capable on stock motors than Audi's. Would you say the same about lets say Honda's or Nissan's or Toyota's or anything like that? Just because people make a bit of power with those platforms doesn't mean they are capable of the beating either.

[Dan[FN]6262]

lmfao

[nthusiastt]

The engine is tired and weaker at that mileage and then it gets even more pounding?

Not necessarily weaker. Leakdown/compression test can determine an engines overall health pretty well. Not only that but the engine was made to rev to x and was made to push boost. As long as you keep your egt's within range, you're not leaning out, and you've done your regular maintenance you're just fine.

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[WikiWiki]

I kick the shit out of my car- 194k - and it still hauls like a mofo

[Manny]

Not necessarily weaker. Leakdown/compression test can determine an engines overall health pretty well. Not only that but the engine was made to rev to x and was made to push boost. As long as you keep your egt's within range, you're not leaning out, and you've done your regular maintenance you're just fine.

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Thank you nthusiastt for being the only one with a normal answer..

[1sadavant]

Thought the title would attract a lot of people :)

Anyway, my concern is this.

How much can the 2.7t engine take? Ive seen people beating on these cars harder than any other car. I really don't think the engine was made to take all that beating. Its an Audi, not an Sti or Evolution. And I cant imagine how it holds off when people put stage 3 on their 100k motor. The engine is tired and weaker at that mileage and then it gets even more pounding? I kinda feel bad for those cars..

Who gets what I'm saying?

Obviously you are new here, so it would be advisable to do more searching and less posting of baseless arguments. There are plenty of people (present company included) with over 200,000 miles on Stage 3, factory blocks. Great compression numbers too!

You also don't seem to be very well versed in the inner workings of other performance models such as your reference to the "Almighty" WRX STi. The early models (MY builds of 2004-2005) are and were plagued by spun rod bearings, so I ask you, what exactly is the weak point of the APB?

Frankly at 100k miles the APB is just being broken in.

[Quattro_2.7tt]

150k and mine still runs like a champ. I know theres people with 250K running strong as can be!

[M.S4]

Thank you nthusiastt for being the only one with a normal answer..

While he has a "normal" answer you really didn't base your claims on anything.

[B5//S4]

Please do yourself and all of us a favor. Go to a Audi dealership. Ask to speak with the "Master Audi Technician". Tell him exactly what you posted here. Pay close attention, and when he is finished remember to pick your jaw up off the floor before you shake his hand and tell him thank you. Then come back here and apologize to all of us for even thinking about comparing a STi or EVO motor to the AUDI V6 2.7T BI-TURBO MOTOR!!!
GRRRRRRRR! I want the last 5 min. of my life back!! Why did you have to title this thread "almighty 2.7t engine"???? I was expecting something cool!! DAMN YOU!!!

[Manny]

While he has a "normal" answer you really didn't base your claims on anything.

Right, because it was my opinion.

[Manny]

Please do yourself and all of us a favor. Go to a Audi dealership. Ask to speak with the "Master Audi Technician". Tell him exactly what you posted here. Pay close attention, and when he is finished remember to pick your jaw up off the floor before you shake his hand and tell him thank you. Then come back here and apologize to all of us for even thinking about comparing a STi or EVO motor to the AUDI V6 2.7T BI-TURBO MOTOR!!!
GRRRRRRRR! I want the last 5 min. of my life back!! Why did you have to title this thread "almighty 2.7t engine"???? I was expecting something cool!! DAMN YOU!!!

hahahahaha

[M.S4]

hahahahaha

at least you have a "Euro-Spec" s4.

[Manny]

at least you have a "Euro-Spec" s4.

Yeah, i love it and would never give it away, thats why I'm trying to understand how much the motor can take, but everyone is being really disrespectful, you know..

[Tormented]

Yeah, i love it and would never give it away, thats why I'm trying to understand how much the motor can take, but everyone is being really disrespectful, you know..

What do you expect when you make a thread title that is mis leading? And not only to do that but you basically say that the B5 motor cannot handle the power that an STI or EVO can? and you expected a different response in a forum filled with Audi enthusiasts? Take some of the blame for yourself rather than blame all of us.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

Right, because it was my opinion.

You're opinion based on what exactly? How did you come to the conclusion to form your opinion? Sounds like you pulled it out of your ass to me.

I think it's hilarious that you think STI engines are stronger. New or old.

[Manny]

What do you expect when you make a thread title that is mis leading? And not only to do that but you basically say that the B5 motor cannot handle the power that an STI or EVO can? and you expected a different response in a forum filled with Audi enthusiasts? Take some of the blame for yourself rather than blame all of us.

You completely misunderstood me. Where do i say the B5 motor cannot handle the power that an STI or EVO can. Don't make stuff up, or confuse everyone else in here. Let me say it again, my opinion is that the b5 motor might break or leak oil faster than a sti/evo motor. But if everyone says its good and can last up to 200k miles thats good enough for me.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

my opinion is that the b5 motor might break or leak oil faster than a sti/evo motor. But if everyone says its good and can last up to 200k miles thats good enough for me.

Again, how did you form this "opinion" because it makes no sense. You can't just come on here and say, HEy GUYZ! AUDI MOTORZ ARE SHIT BECAUSE I THINK THEY LEAK OIL AND STUFFZZ MOAR THEN MY LAWNMORE DOES

[B5//S4]

Im not saying that, I'm saying sti's and evo's were built for beating, not audi's.

Was your face made for beating??

[M.S4]

Again, how did you form this "opinion" because it makes no sense. You can't just come on here and say, HEy GUYZ! AUDI MOTORZ ARE SHIT BECAUSE I THINK THEY LEAK OIL AND STUFFZZ MOAR THEN MY LAWNMORE DOES

This.

Just because you don't maintain your 'euro-spec' doesn't mean other people don't maintain their cars.

[Tormented]

Thought the title would attract a lot of people :)

Anyway, my concern is this.

How much can the 2.7t engine take? Ive seen people beating on these cars harder than any other car. I really don't think the engine was made to take all that beating. Its an Audi, not an Sti or Evolution. And I cant imagine how it holds off when people put stage 3 on their 100k motor. The engine is tired and weaker at that mileage and then it gets even more pounding? I kinda feel bad for those cars..

Who gets what I'm saying?

I am pretty sure this is where you said that it wasnt as strong as the STI or EVO. But then again maybe i am just pulling shit out of my ass like you are.

[Quattrocket]

Hey Manny, Don't take it personally. We just all have raging boners for our 2.7Ts (me included). If you do some research on not only the 2.7T but on the STI's and EVO's, You'll see why this motor is so incredible. How many motors with over 200k are being pushed to 500chp and not exploding? The 2.7T is about the only engine out there doing it. with the exception of the 1.8T (guess who makes that one?)
My motor has 210 000 kms and while Ive had issues with the flywheel and a few seals/gaskets, the engine runs like a goddamn champ! It has 175 psi across all cylinders and never dropped/burned a drop of oil. This car astounds me everytime I get in it. Especially when I get frustrated and look at new cars (evos and STIs) and realize just how much better my 10 year old car is.

[JCN83]

this has provided for quite the nice 11:20 / mid-morning work break. lol.

[1sadavant]

ibtl

[Manny]

This.

Just because you don't maintain your 'euro-spec' doesn't mean other people don't maintain their cars.

I do maintain it, but after i had chipped, couple weeks later i got a code: crankshaft positioning sensor. They checked it and didn't find anything, and now the only thing that's left is the timing belt, cuz everyone says it jumped a tooth. Now why would it jump a tooth, not from beating on the car? The timing belt was changed a year ago too.. so this really sucks..

[NOTORIOUS VR]

I do maintain it, but after i had chipped, couple weeks later i got a code: crankshaft positioning sensor. They checked it and didn't find anything, and now the only thing that's left is the timing belt, cuz everyone says it jumped a tooth. Now why would it jump a tooth, not from beating on the car? The timing belt was changed a year ago too.. so this really sucks..

They checked what? the Intermittent VR sensor that should have been replaced and not put back because they didn't find anything?

If you were off one tooth you would have misfire codes and CAM position codes, not CRANK position sensor codes.

[Tormented]

You will soon learn that these cars are like woman, they're money hungry. The car knows when you have money and it likes to take it from you for lack of love and affection. Love the car it will love you back.

[1sadavant]

ok, first of all if the car is still running, the sensor could be defective, very common if the gasket leaks oil onto the sensor. Remove the sensor and clean it first. This commonly throws a code. You could have just posted this before you opened this bag of worms. You need to find a new mechanic and you need to do more research...

[Manny]

They checked what? the Intermittent VR sensor that should have been replaced and not put back because they didn't find anything?

If you were off one tooth you would have misfire codes and CAM position codes, not CRANK position sensor codes.

My bad, it said cam/crank and they checked all the sensors and wires and the only thing left to do is to start taking everything apart to look for the jumped tooth..

You will soon learn that these cars are like woman, they're money hungry. The car knows when you have money and it likes to take it from you for lack of love and affection. Love the car it will love you back.

haha

ok, first of all if the car is still running, the sensor could be defective, very common if the gasket leaks oil onto the sensor. Remove the sensor and clean it first. This commonly throws a code. You could have just posted this before you opened this bag of worms. You need to find a new mechanic and you need to do more research...

Its running but its way slower, feels like limp mode. Powers close to stock now.. :(

[Quattrocket]

Check my sig out, it's Audis to a "T"

[Tormented]

It would have been much easier for you to post your problem instead of beating around the bush. Like previously stated, everyone was basically giving you a hard time.