APR.. word is that your exhausts are cracking under heat & engine tune has errors...

[ZaneS4]

& is not yet perfected. I'm glad to read that you have re-flashed ECU's and replaced exhausts but what kind of warranty are you offering for consumers dropping over $2K on cat-back exhaust and $1.5K on your engine tune?


Reference:
http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4b8/msgs/14289.phtml
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ut!!?highlight

[Brendon1098]

The tune has issues? why because a few got out without boost maps being modified? simple error and they made it right. They are also looking into the exhaust issues and will take care of those folks as needed. Also, keep in mind APR doesn't make these exhaust's in house. If i'm wrong feel free to correct me Arin or Keith.

[NickS]

You're clearly trolling. Most of your posts regarding APR are nothing more than attempts at stirring the pot.

[NWS4Guy]

You're clearly trolling. Most of your posts regarding APR are nothing more than attempts at stirring the pot.

Good thread for me to post my update on - Car was on the lift today to get brakes done, the APR exhaust looks perfect, no cracks, no flaws, no sign of anything.

http://achtuning.com/photos/track-ready/

[ZaneS4]

You're clearly trolling. Most of your posts regarding APR are nothing more than attempts at stirring the pot.

I can assure you I am not trolling. If you can provide me of my so called APR bashing posts I would love to see them. APR is a reputable Audi tuner that has a positive track record but they are also the most expensive compared to the competition. I am simply asking the question: If I am going to pay a premium for their products, what kind of warranty are they going to offer me? Simply put, I don't want to install a defective APR exhaust (like yourself) and be SOL.

[A4 Centaur]

You should see pics of my APR exhaust tips. Absolute crap.

[NickS]

You should see pics of my APR exhaust tips. Absolute crap.

After my first install I was pissed with the results myself and posted about it.



However, after having the system properly installed by someone who knew what they were doing, taking the time to get the exhaust aligned and adjusting the rear cans.... the tips are perfect now. THIS is how the system should look when properly installed.


(obviously I have the black tips now)

The rear cans are higher up inside the car now which in turn pulls the tips up higher in the valance. Also there is room to adjsut the exhaust to move everything back by about 1/4" - 1/2". Combine those two... and you now have the tips sitting perfectly in the valance. No visible fasteners and they fill the valance cutout perfectly.

[Brooklyn]

The appropriate thing to do would have been to call APR with your warranty questions/concerns, instead of showing up on an internet discussion forum and pulling your stunt.

[L0U]

the exhaust was not welded fully, some dude made a mistake in the process and it wasn't caught. Just a welder with no stake in the process, working for $/hr.

A close inspection of the outgoing or incoming new product is all that is needed.

I don't see it as an apr problem really, but they will need to inspect a bit closer before sending it out.

[primetime]

& is not yet perfected. I'm glad to read that you have re-flashed ECU's and replaced exhausts but what kind of warranty are you offering for consumers dropping over $2K on cat-back exhaust and $1.5K on your engine tune?


Reference:
http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4b8/msgs/14289.phtml
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ut!!?highlight

Perhaps a more appropriate way to handle this would have been to PM Keith or Arin and ask them vs posting a general statement/question.... Since you did, I did have an issue with my tune, which APR promptly admitted to and disclosed what had happened. They then covered the costs to get it to them, reflashed it and covered the costs to next day it back to me..... Was I a little upset, sure initially but once I got the right tune I was more than happy and will continue to do business with them and help support them via positive feedback... Keep in mind I am the first and perhaps still only person running the 100 octane tune(APR can correct me if I am wrong).... So anytime you are a first adopter things can happen, IMO it is how they are dealt with that is important... I don't have their exhaust but that is not for quality/cost reasons it is because I prefer the Miltek non-res based on what I had heard on hear and my experience with their products on my B5.... Hope this helps.... Oh and not sure who else you can get a tune from? Stasis..... Most likely is APR product IMO

[Four Play]

I can assure you I am not trolling. If you can provide me of my so called APR bashing posts I would love to see them. APR is a reputable Audi tuner that has a positive track record but they are also the most expensive compared to the competition. I am simply asking the question: If I am going to pay a premium for their products, what kind of warranty are they going to offer me? Simply put, I don't want to install a defective APR exhaust (like yourself) and be SOL.

Here you go...

(800) 680-7921

Now go inhale bees, troll...

[Proogz]

This really was a informative thread. I really thank you for the whole 20 seconds of my life wasted scrolling down...


Man I learned a lot

[Arin@APR]

The exhaust has a lifetime warranty. If there are any defects, we'll warranty the defective parts.

The ECU upgrade has a lifetime warranty and a 30 day money back guarantee. If there are any issues with the software, we'll fix it.

Please prove our Engine Tune has *Errors*.

[riegeraudi]

The problem though would be the labour hrs charged to take the exhaust system down shipping costs and then labour to put it back on the car. Unless this is all charged back to APR then it would not be an issue otherwise Cdn customers would be out a lot of money just shipping alone. Yes it was a trolling kind of post but I do see a concern. I think this is not the first time APR had problems with the welds on their exhaust system. APR should have the weld problems fixed long time ago. Love the warranties but it is a premium product and should not have this kind of problems just like the plastic water pump issues this is also not acceptable IMO.

[NWS4Guy]

The problem though would be the labour hrs charged to take the exhaust system down shipping costs and then labour to put it back on the car. Unless this is all charged back to APR then it would not be an issue otherwise Cdn customers would be out a lot of money just shipping alone. Yes it was a trolling kind of post but I do see a concern. I think this is not the first time APR had problems with the welds on their exhaust system. APR should have the weld problems fixed long time ago. Love the warranties but it is a premium product and should not have this kind of problems just like the plastic water pump issues this is also not acceptable IMO.

I can't speak to the labor involved, but Nick said over on QW that APR overnighted the new pieces to him free. That is not cheap for something which weighs what an exhaust does.

[Arin@APR]

ZaneS4,

Please show me where our software has Errors.

-Arin@APR

[zcd2.7t]

Moderator(s): I hereby nominate this thread for DELETION, on the grounds that it SUCKS!

(Not to mention that it's also slanderous, inflammatory, inaccurate and a waste of bandwidth)

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

[vdubjetta02]

zaneS4.... GTFO. They have lifetime warrenties, you have a problem? call them directly and they will take care of you. You are a complete retard

[theKB]

zaneS4.... GTFO. They have lifetime warrenties, you have a problem? call them directly and they will take care of you. You are a complete retard

They stand behind their product... nuff said... unlike other companies that consider their product to be "premium" and they charge a "premium" for it when in reality they will not stand behind their product whatsoever... APR has a solid track record...

[AQuattro]

However, after having the system properly installed by someone who knew what they were doing, taking the time to get the exhaust aligned and adjusting the rear cans.... the tips are perfect now. THIS is how the system should look when properly installed.

(obviously I have the black tips now)
.

What was required to "properly" install your exhaust. Did the hangers have to be cut to raise the system or is it now held up by zip ties? I'm guessing what ever was done isn't something a DIY'er could easily do, right?

Is the black coating flaking off your tips?

They stand behind their product... nuff said... .

Umm...so you're saying they'll pay for my system to be removed and replaced?? I really doubt that.

[jjslegacy]

Umm...so you're saying they'll pay for my system to be removed and replaced?? I really doubt that.

what is actually wrong with it? You knew what the tips were like before you bought it I assume...

[BLACKS4-10]

You're clearly trolling. Most of your posts regarding APR are nothing more than attempts at stirring the pot.

Not sure about the tune since I don't have but I can see the aggravation with the exhaust though.

Mine came damaged from delivery and had to wait 2 months for a resonator from APR.The tips had three holes that had to tap threaded because of the welds blocking the threads preventing the bolts to go in.

Aligning the tips in the valance can be a pain but with a little patience,it can be DIY.

Like others have said,taking down,shipping it and then reinstalling the system can be a big pain in the ass and inconveniece especially if this is your only car.

APR's exhaust is excellent for the sound and modest power increase and if it is warrantied for life,it's worth the $$$.

[NickS]

I'm not saying what APR will or won't do for anyone with exhaust issues. That is for you and APR to work out. I'm telling you what they did for me.

Any my tech used "come alongs" when installing the exhaust too make sure that all the slip joints were snug and properly seated. And it was also a simple matter of him taking the time and caring what they final outcome was.

[primetime]

I'm not saying what APR will or won't do for anyone with exhaust issues. That is for you and APR to work out. I'm telling you what they did for me.

Any my tech used "come alongs" when installing the exhaust too make sure that all the slip joints were snug and properly seated. And it was also a simple matter of him taking the time and caring what they final outcome was.

Nick, Did you and Zerin run yesterday? How did you guys do?

[NickS]

Nick, Did you and Zerin run yesterday? How did you guys do?

We did.

http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4b8/msgs/14544.phtml

[primetime]

We did.

http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4b8/msgs/14544.phtml

WOW! I don't know what to say.... So you were able to beat your tuned DSG car with a non-tuned 6-speed..... Not doubting Keith or APR but that just isn't right especially if Zerins car turned a 13.0.... Not sure where the private track is but it shouldn't be more than 250 ft elevation if it is in the Houston area and even with 90 degree heat, 30ish BP and 60% humidity the DA is around 2500.... Going off your comment of 12.9 at 111, corrected that is a 12.75 at 112.... Do you have the exact times with 60, 1/8, etc. IMO your car should be 12.5 range at 113+.... I am sure the wind hurt also so I guess that could take away a tenth or so.... Did the DSG give you issues? Just trying to understand so I hope you don't take this the wrong way as I am not hating on your car or APR....

[zerinA4]

Ron, another factor is that the track had JUST been groomed with VHT and was tacky as hell. You could hardly walk the starting line without your shoes getting stuck to the track. That's great for RWD cars but not so good for AWD. I was able to achieve wheel spin on my 6MT by revving it to about 3200RPM, but that's just not possible in the S-Tronic.

WOW! I don't know what to say.... So you were able to beat your tuned DSG car with a non-tuned 6-speed..... Not doubting Keith or APR but that just isn't right especially if Zerins car turned a 13.0.... Not sure where the private track is but it shouldn't be more than 250 ft elevation if it is in the Houston area and even with 90 degree heat, 30ish BP and 60% humidity the DA is around 2500.... Going off your comment of 12.9 at 111, corrected that is a 12.75 at 112.... Do you have the exact times with 60, 1/8, etc. IMO your car should be 12.5 range at 113+.... I am sure the wind hurt also so I guess that could take away a tenth or so.... Did the DSG give you issues? Just trying to understand so I hope you don't take this the wrong way as I am not hating on your car or APR....

[primetime]

Ron, another factor is that the track had JUST been groomed with VHT and was tacky as hell. You could hardly walk the starting line without your shoes getting stuck to the track. That's great for RWD cars but not so good for AWD. I was able to achieve wheel spin on my 6MT by revving it to about 3200RPM, but that's just not possible in the S-Tronic.

Understood and obviously there are many variables to consider but quite honestly I am shocked by the results! I know and have always said 6-speed cars should be faster(unless we get LC) but a tuned car should be more than .1 better in the 1/4 mile when you are adding 85 HP and 65TQ from the tune.... Did his DSG have issues between gears? Any datalogging during runs? What boost was he seeing? Again, just trying to understand.... Confused I am!

[zerinA4]

Keith has some data logged on his laptop, I'll ask him this morning.

Understood and obviously there are many variables to consider but quite honestly I am shocked by the results! I know and have always said 6-speed cars should be faster(unless we get LC) but a tuned car should be more than .1 better in the 1/4 mile when you are adding 85 HP and 65TQ from the tune.... Did his DSG have issues between gears? Any datalogging during runs? What boost was he seeing? Again, just trying to understand.... Confused I am!

[primetime]

Keith has some data logged on his laptop, I'll ask him this morning.

Thanks.... I just read through the entire quatroworld thread(not a member there)... I thought I saw 111 trap but was mistaken he only trapped 107.6 and you trapped 106.5! WTF.... Again, that just doesn't make sense.... 85HP and 65TQ nets you more than 1mph regardless of conditions IMO..... No DSG issues when you drove the car, IE 7K shifts with no hesitation?

[TechnoCat]

The appropriate thing to do would have been to call APR with your warranty questions/concerns, instead of showing up on an internet discussion forum and pulling your stunt.

By the same metric, the appropriate thing for you to do would have been to PM him that.

One big gripe I have with the Acura world (besides me absolutely having hated my 2010 Acura TL SH-AWD 6MT Tech) was that it's filled with mindless fanboys who apparently do understand the inferiority of their steeds and therefore shout down any discussion of real or perceived short-comings.

Please don't let us sink to Acura fan-boy level. Let him ask questions that the consumers can chime in on. Otherwise, he can only get the vendor's answer, which will always be "No, we've had no reports of any problems." (And I don't consider APR standing behind it after-the-fact to be the same. If you have to get, e.g., the exhaust re-installed, that's a lot of time, effort and money that they presumably won't compensate. I'm not saying it happens, but if you squelch conversation, how would we ever know?)

[NickS]

Understood and obviously there are many variables to consider but quite honestly I am shocked by the results! I know and have always said 6-speed cars should be faster(unless we get LC) but a tuned car should be more than .1 better in the 1/4 mile when you are adding 85 HP and 65TQ from the tune.... Did his DSG have issues between gears? Any datalogging during runs? What boost was he seeing? Again, just trying to understand.... Confused I am!

I had zero issues with the DSG. It shifted perfectly at 7k (indicated) in every gear, every single time.

Zerins car has an exhaust and CAI. Brendon said he ran SLOWER with the stock air box so it looks like the CAI and exhaust is a good addition to stock programing.

[DUBSPORTN]

I was one of the 1st to get the software, is there anyway to tell if my boost map is incorrect?

[primetime]

I was one of the 1st to get the software, is there anyway to tell if my boost map is incorrect?

AWE makes a boost gauge or if you have vagcom use block G436 and convert to psi....

[DUBSPORTN]

AWE makes a boost gauge or if you have vagcom use block G436 and convert to psi....

what is the baseline vs the proper amount from the tune

[primetime]

what is the baseline vs the proper amount from the tune

Honestly, didn't get a baseline but from what I understand from reading on the forums and the feel from my car the internal bypass limited boost at around 5K RPM.... With tune you should see 12.5-13.0 psi up to redline.... I saw right around 13.0 the other night in 40 degree weather.....

[NickS]

Honestly, didn't get a baseline but from what I understand from reading on the forums and the feel from my car the internal bypass limited boost at around 5K RPM.... With tune you should see 12.5-13.0 psi up to redline.... I saw right around 13.0 the other night in 40 degree weather.....

Mine was 12.7 / 12.8 every run at 90F. So not bad considering how hot it was.

[Arin@APR]

I was one of the 1st to get the software, is there anyway to tell if my boost map is incorrect?

You're not affected. We have a record of every ECU we've burned. We notified the customers right away.