If you wanted a heads and cam package how much would you spend on it.

[TweetsS4Estate]

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So I'm not going to disclose or ask anything. I am not advertising I am asking a simple question. If you could buy a heads and cam package that made good power what would you look to spend on such a thing? We're talking about 2.7 heads ported and a custom set of cams... I'm thinking it will yield at least 50-100chp depending on your turbo setup.. Discuss, question, comment! I'm also looking into the cost to port stock Intake Mani's and seeing what numbers I can eek out of them... This is Not advertising Also AZ I emailed you to inquire the cost of Advertising and you haven't emailed me back.

[champion]

you would probably want to go with the 2.4 heads

[TweetsS4Estate]

no no no. I'm talking about producing affordable heads and cams packages. None of this buying other heads for TONS of money BS.

[TweetsS4Estate]

What would you pay for a proven set of 2.7L heads, what would you pay for proven custom cams, what would you pay for the whole package.

[julex]

Did you mean to say "I'm thinking it will yield at least 50-100chp MORE depending on your turbo setup"?

It is a hard question since there are just perfect used parts alternatives to 2.7 head, namely 2.8 ATQ/AHA heads/cams which work very nicely with larger turbos. A good set can be had for cheap (300-400) so unless your price would be close to that or the stuff you're talking about soooo much better than 2.8s, I don't see many people going for it.

[Tormented]

I agree with julex. 2.8 heads and rs4 cam FTW

[TweetsS4Estate]

Did you mean to say "I'm thinking it will yield at least 50-100chp MORE depending on your turbo setup"?

It is a hard question since there are just perfect used parts alternatives to 2.7 head, namely 2.8 ATQ/AHA heads/cams which work very nicely with larger turbos. A good set can be had for cheap (300-400) so unless your price would be close to that or the stuff you're talking about soooo much better than 2.8s, I don't see many people going for it.

That's what I saw yielding to mean, I apologize if it was confusing. yes 2.8 cams/heads work OK, not nicely they are a bandaid to what the car could actually make. I have access to a dyno and I can show CHP and AWHP number gains. I'm asking what people would pay to see if it is worth working on.

[TweetsS4Estate]

If so, here is a better question, what are people willing to pay for a set of built ready to go 2.8 heads with a custom cam of their choice or an OEM cam? and still the original question stands, a set of ported 2.7L/2.8L heads (cooling jackets are larger in 2.7 than 2.8) and custom cams.

[Das General]

I'd want a much more aggressive cam, that is all.

[Tormented]

I think what people would be willing to pay would be dependent on the numbers said product would produce also what you would start with whether it be 2.7 or 2.8 heads as your start point

[imola]

Who would be doing the work?

If the quality of work is anything remotely close to what your buddy Adam (or whoever else of you guys) did for me, I'd say 0 yuan. Unless it's coming from someone with 15-20 years of experience (not years old), I'll pass.

[Das General]

Who would be doing the work?

If the quality of work is anything remotely close to what your buddy Adam (or whoever else of you guys) did for me, I'd say 0 yuan. Unless it's coming from someone with 15-20 years of experience (not years old), I'll pass.

What is up with that?

[TweetsS4Estate]

Who would be doing the work?

If the quality of work is anything remotely close to what your buddy Adam (or whoever else of you guys) did for me, I'd say 0 yuan. Unless it's coming from someone with 15-20 years of experience (not years old), I'll pass.

Let me say this now. This project has nothing to do with Adam, or my previous sales last spring/summer. I was letting adam use my account for that time being to make money and pay me back for my RS6 hybrid turbos. The shop who would be doing this work for me has been together for 20 years, in which the technicians have been working on heads, cams for 30 years. This will be professionally done, not by my self I am meerely a medium through which they pass. I'm trying to further the community from just using OEM replacements and thinking that is all we'll get. Do not be mistaken to think that these would be anything less than perfect.

[Tormented]

I would be interested to see what kind of ideas your working with. Get something put together get some dyno sheets of before and after then a price could be talked about for everyone

[TweetsS4Estate]

I would be interested to see what kind of ideas your working with. Get something put together get some dyno sheets of before and after then a price could be talked about for everyone

I understand, I'm just in the beginning process right now and my cost of investment is climbing to a point where if it doesn't work I will be losing quite a bit. I just wanted to put a feeler out there and see what people were willing to pay for horsepower these days.

[Tormented]

how long are you expecting the process to take. id get some used heads from the oem parts guy here on AZ for testing. thats just my opinion. im sure you have it all figured out

[ThirdStrike]

You have a good idea but bottom line is you sell a product based on how much (profit you want to make) it costs to produce it... I personally wouldnt pay anymore than ~1k but my perceived value is different than others. I would have to be convinced that a cheap set of 2.8 heads arent worth it..

[TweetsS4Estate]

I should be ready to advertise flow bench numbers before thanksgiving stock V.S. Ported and then I can figure out the needed Cam profiles per the lbs/min turbo a customer is running.

[Capt. Obvious]

I think the real deciding factor of something like this will be proven gains.

If you can build a head that gives equal/comparable gains to a 2.8 head, then I'd say around $500 (plus core).

If you can take 2.7 heads and make 50+hp gains over 2.8 heads, we won't have a problem dishing out $1000+ for them.

[CC Lemon]

Depending on your costs of development, I would say you should get one unit ready that can be shown as an example with lots of pictures, a video, proven gains etc. Then you could do a better "getting interest" thread and (if given advertising permissions) you could even start a pre-order list and get an idea of guaranteed buyers. The amount people are willing to pay is definitely a factor, but another huge thing is how many people are willing to pay. If 3 people are willing to pay $250 more than what 15 people are willing to pay, you're probably better off picking the 15 people's price (assuming it's a reasonable profit).

For the purposes of this thread, you might want to provide 4 potential ranges so people have an idea of what you're seeing as a potential price point as well.

[TweetsS4Estate]

All great input I really appreciate it guys. This is something that I'm working on my own really so that I wasn't waiting on anyone.

I will know base pricing by the latest of thanksgiving on the heads for sure. The cams will come later. and maybe by that time AZ will email me back with how much it costs to advertise LOL.

[Tormented]

good luck with everything bro. Keep us all updated with progress.

[AutoUnion1]

Depending on your costs of development, I would say you should get one unit ready that can be shown as an example with lots of pictures, a video, proven gains etc. Then you could do a better "getting interest" thread and (if given advertising permissions) you could even start a pre-order list and get an idea of guaranteed buyers. The amount people are willing to pay is definitely a factor, but another huge thing is how many people are willing to pay. If 3 people are willing to pay $250 more than what 15 people are willing to pay, you're probably better off picking the 15 people's price (assuming it's a reasonable profit).

For the purposes of this thread, you might want to provide 4 potential ranges so people have an idea of what you're seeing as a potential price point as well.

^This Like the idea of ranges backed up by actual gains relative to price.

[Sales@RAI]

Unfortunately a good set of heads and cams would be $2k+ but the gains over 2.8 heads honestly wouldn't be enough for people tk pay. You can only fit so much air into a motor

[YnotS4]

1000-1500 for heads stock cams 2.8, 1800-2000 for customs cams

[RolledMySTi]

With the cost cost of 2.8 heads I don't see much gain in buying aftermarket.

[Trigger Happy]

$500

[TweetsS4Estate]

Thanks for all of the input guys. I think I will still go through with a set of 2.8 and 2.7 heads and see what I can do as far as keeping things cheap enough with enough gains for people to warrant such a purchase. at least I will have info on the gains 2.8 heads give at the crank and other info. keep the comments coming.

[revhards4]

the general labor cost to port v6 heads is roughly $700-$1000 depending on what you want done. But you can't have a head upgrade and a custom set of cams later down the road when a good head porter ports the heads for the cam spec profiles. I would recommend getting Someone like Brian Crower involved in making a set of custom cams and not some BS regrind from a factory cam first. The 2.8 intake is decently large for a factory cam but I would like to see what kind of gains a nice custom exhaust cam will produce.

[TweetsS4Estate]

I have already contacted a few companies to get quotes on custom cams. If cams can be ground to up the duration and that is all we need then I will probably follow through with that. The beauty is the guys I am working with can tell me what cam profile I need via the CFM or lbs/min of the turbo. Everything is being considered for ultimate performance and best cost.

[seeya]

I have already contacted a few companies to get quotes on custom cams. If cams can be ground to up the duration and that is all we need then I will probably follow through with that. The beauty is the guys I am working with can tell me what cam profile I need via the CFM or lbs/min of the turbo. Everything is being considered for ultimate performance and best cost.

One of my big concerns would be daily drivability, I had higher profile cams in my evo8, but on a stock head, the car drove great and had some great gains...are there any gains to be had by just dropping a set of cams in our stock heads instead of having to pull the heads off to have them ported?

[jamestown478]

I agree with julex. 2.8 heads and rs4 cam FTW

y when you can get more out of the 2.8 cams than the rs4

[TweetsS4Estate]

One of my big concerns would be daily drivability, I had higher profile cams in my evo8, but on a stock head, the car drove great and had some great gains...are there any gains to be had by just dropping a set of cams in our stock heads instead of having to pull the heads off to have them ported?

The great part with working on this is I get to work with both stock and ported heads. If we find that custom cams in stock heads do the job then so be it. We will need to address all possibilities.

[seeya]

The great part with working on this is I get to work with both stock and ported heads. If we find that custom cams in stock heads do the job then so be it. We will need to address all possibilities.

I agree, most people will want to see what the biggest gains will be, BUT, if you can have modest gains, say 30chp with drop in cams on stock heads with K04's, you would probably have a wide customer base... :)

[TweetsS4Estate]

I'm glad you brought that up I was actually going to do the first testing on K04d engine. I was going to see what I could do for the big turbo cars once I covered the more popular stage 3 guys.

[sfored]

I'd want a much more aggressive cam, that is all.

I think if you head good flowing heads ; cams don't matter as much nor help as much I have the more aggressive revolver CAMS in my setup and I am gonna try stockers to see how the dyno looks... if I dont give up much (or any) up top ... then why bother giving up a crap load down low... ? Keep in mind my heads are completely built ...

[TweetsS4Estate]

With some turbo applications that's true you don't need big aggressive Cams. I know that this is the case with big block engines that have good flowing heads. A lot of the offshore boat guys leave relatively smaller cams in and make just as much or more power while not sacrificing spool. Conversely sometimes larger exhaust cams help spool up turbos faster if just duration is increased. The shop I'm working with on a mitsubishi DOHC (4g63 I think) engine found that with More duration on the exhaust spooled the Turbos faster.

[sfored]

With some turbo applications that's true you don't need big aggressive Cams. I know that this is the case with big block engines that have good flowing heads. A lot of the offshore boat guys leave relatively smaller cams in and make just as much or more power while not sacrificing spool. Conversely sometimes larger exhaust cams help spool up turbos faster if just duration is increased. The shop I'm working with on a mitsubishi DOHC (4g63 I think) engine found that with More duration on the exhaust spooled the Turbos faster.

well.. a good friend of mine - built 4G63 (2.4L) and he is running one of the more aggressive cams available to them 292s and he has a fullly built head/GT35R and he spools that thing almost at idle..

my dyno graph is pretty nice (IMO) 5500-8500 power only fades like 18 hp to read line...but my down low is a bit irritating. I talked to my head guy and he said .. you are boosted... and dont need too aggresive cams at all. . since I have the stockers already .. I will play w/ that scenario and see... otherwise I was gonna try the 2.8s like everyone else (and they seem happy) ... asked Jason (DShot/ARD) how they ended up with the CAT cams 4050s (a mild cam from looking at the #s ) or if they looked at any other cams, but i still have not heard anything from him ... if all data is correct that car spools mighty nice..

[andream88]

do not buy CATcams camshafts!!
this is what they delivered to me after a two months and a half wait from the order.
Total cost was 1450,00€ for a set of 4 cams, with OEM RS4 profile.

[julex]

Cams fail.

I saw your a while ago on audisrs.com with these pictures. These cams are pure crap. I think any busted OEM cam would look nicer than this.