Sc s4 vs. Rs4

[S4STEVEO]

So i am in the middle of a major decision. Currently own a 2005.5 S4 blk on blk w/ carbon fiber interior and nav "fully loaded" with 40k miles. At the breaking point for more :) do i go for the PES stage 2 supercharger/exhaust/clutch? Or step up to a RS4? Thinking RS4 because.....lets face it "amazing"!!!!!! However in the end the S/C S4 would have alot more to offer but reliability? Does anyone out there have good advice for me?

[Monchichi8]

RS4..its the next logical step! newer car,plus they are sooo damn sexy!

[Blackstallion]

So i am in the middle of a major decision. Currently own a 2005.5 S4 blk on blk w/ carbon fiber interior and nav "fully loaded" with 40k miles. At the breaking point for more :) do i go for the PES stage 2 supercharger/exhaust/clutch? Or step up to a RS4? Thinking RS4 because.....lets face it "amazing"!!!!!! However in the end the S/C S4 would have alot more to offer but reliability? Does anyone out there have good advice for me?

you wont get much love going that route...

oh and theres a search button...JHM FTW

[ItzDarrellS4]

PES kit? seriously? wait for JHM S/C or go RS4

[gear_head81]

So i am in the middle of a major decision. Currently own a 2005.5 S4 blk on blk w/ carbon fiber interior and nav "fully loaded" with 40k miles. At the breaking point for more :) do i go for the PES stage 2 supercharger/exhaust/clutch? Or step up to a RS4? Thinking RS4 because.....lets face it "amazing"!!!!!! However in the end the S/C S4 would have alot more to offer but reliability? Does anyone out there have good advice for me?

with that statement it should be a No brainier "RS4"

[AofC_RR]

Skip on both. PES..., I'd hold out for JHM or APR on the supercharger. The RS4 has a whole different set of issues to contend with. DRC and carbon build up would be the two biggest.

[S4STEVEO]

sounds like JHM would be a logical choice for a S/C....have a feeling APR is going to charge at least 12k for there s/c. If im not mistaken i herd the RS4 S/C from APR was roughly 18-20k?

So i just spent some time reading other posts and it seems i have alot to learn before making this decision...Herd alot of issues with the FSI 4.2 in the RS4 "carbon build up".

[drew]

yeah do the PES kit. it's awesome

[WinterRunner]

Skip on both. PES..., I'd hold out for JHM or APR on the supercharger. The RS4 has a whole different set of issues to contend with. DRC and carbon build up would be the two biggest.

More like mantainance.... DRC is going strong on the Rev B's. Carbon is just the norm for FSI. Clean it every 20K for around 800 is just the way it goes, not a problem persay, more like a routine mantainance....

[DuncanC]

If you want nicer RS4. If you want faster a RS4 won't scratch that itch at all. For that they make the JHM S/C.

/thread

PS. Please slap yourself for considering a POS kit.

[BUD-S4]

To me all that an RS4 offers is the widebody and a bigger maintenance bill.

JHM supercharger, and some headers FTW.

[jfunkey]

To me all that an RS4 offers is the widebody and a bigger maintenance bill.

JHM supercharger, and some headers FTW.

exactly RS$ is nice but it comes at a price.

The JHM supercharger in beta form has already gone faster then ALL the other cars and kits out there. Even the stock JHM Supercharger car went faster then ALL other Supercharged cars. RS4's are nice but you have a good solid car just add to it. Not sure what you were thinking when you said PES you seriously do need to slap your self..but looks like your on the right track with JHM

[NY07RS4]

OR...........pick up an RS4, save your pennies for the Spring/Summer 2011 and purchase the JHM RS4 S/C. Then your criteria will be met...& then some.

[NYC_Legacy]

PES kit? seriously? wait for JHM S/C or go RS4

x2

[beemercer]

There won't be an APR MPI V8 supercharger, Keith has confirmed that repeatedly. They tried it, didn't work.


As far as the other choices, I'd get some boltons for your S4 for now. I've recently seen a B7 S4 with ~$3k retail in simple boltons you could do on your garage floor run dead even with a bone stock 15k mile RS4 during a 5-120mph roll. Add headers and a ported intake manifold and the S4 would've fucked up the RS4.

[Mr. Corey]

Last year I would never of said this but after having been in the B8 S4 with chip and exhaust I think i might go for that over a RS. Thing was fast!!

[mbgt72]

If you want nicer RS4. If you want faster a RS4 won't scratch that itch at all. For that they make the JHM S/C.

/thread

PS. Please slap yourself for considering a POS kit.

I like that look at it, well said. Also if you finish your car with JH bolt ons, you'll have more torque than a RS4 as well as a slight edge on it so the speed issue isn't much of a gain. If you hold on and go with the JHM S/C, you'll blow the doors off of an RS4. But at the end of the day it is an RS4 and they certainly are cool, but we all know their downside as well. . .

exactly RS$ is nice but it comes at a price.

The JHM supercharger in beta form has already gone faster then ALL the other cars and kits out there. Even the stock JHM Supercharger car went faster then ALL other Supercharged cars. RS4's are nice but you have a good solid car just add to it. Not sure what you were thinking when you said PES you seriously do need to slap your self..but looks like your on the right track with JHM

Yea PieceofExpensiveShit isn't going to help much on your car, UNLESS you are just looking for one mod that will come close to matching a JHM bolt on car. But come-on at that point why are you spending almost twice as much, still missing out on headers and still missing a real tune! I'm VERY excited to see what this JHM s/c has to offer, and even more excited to watch them (and customers) prove what it has!

[JimmyBones]

exactly RS$ is nice but it comes at a price.

The JHM supercharger in beta form has already gone faster then ALL the other cars and kits out there. Even the stock JHM Supercharger car went faster then ALL other Supercharged cars. RS4's are nice but you have a good solid car just add to it. Not sure what you were thinking when you said PES you seriously do need to slap your self..but looks like your on the right track with JHM

RS4s just cost more for everything in general and wear though parts faster too. Hell OEM front brake pads are $400+ and front rotors are $500+ each then tires are $500 each for Michelin PS2s. Of course you could change the brakes and tires to different stuff but the OEM parts are badass enough already that it is a waste - eight piston front brake calipers, seriously!

I have been waiting to for the official JHM supercharger release before I start modding my S and trust me you couldn't give me an RS4 after I have had to work on the ones that have come into the dealership.

[05 B6 S4]

The RS4 is a beauty but the S is a bargain has basiclly the same interior and will leave the Rs for dead with the JHM S/C. Even if you S/C the RS I can't imagine it being faster or marginally. Plus the S/C for the RS is crazy$$$$

[i_eat_staples]

there's something to be said about just buying a car and having it be such a complete package like the RS

when JHM comes out with a header and exhaust, throw that sucker on there and call it good :D

[beemercer]

I have been waiting to for the official JHM supercharger release before I start modding my S and trust me you couldn't give me an RS4 after I have had to work on the ones that have come into the dealership.

There are at least two kits out there undergoing long term testing, one on an auto and one on a 6MT. It may be a long while before the retail release, but the beta kits could be ready this winter. I'd say get a catback, maybe some mounts and small boltons for now... all the JHM parts will carry over to the c-s/c and take a mean kit (113mph trap iirc) to the next level (119mph trap barely trying).

[FarmerBob]

Hope this helps with your decision:

I think this is the video of the NA JHM shop car (JHM headers/tune/lw flywheel, etc.) vs. the VF s/c S4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n7xVwjWWD0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2XIrAxQbNc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPSJu8Sa-hI&feature=fvw (12.7 at 111 mph - NA B6 S4 JHM shop car)

I'd wait for the JHM s/c kit to come out, since his NA B6 is pretty fast already, the s/c will be even better.

[vwrcer]

It all depends on power you want the pes kit is complete and fun tq good hp not the most as jhm kit is out doing it in beta do all boltons first see how you like power then if you want low end grunt the eaton will give it and others are already modifying to put m112 on it.The JHM kit will be the most hp.

[vinny.dtw]

This thread is funny to me because I think its ironic that the S4 owners are now saying..." an S4 will decimate with just a few bolt ons bla bla bla. an RS4 is just wider fenders, more maint, etc etc..." When the A4 owners say the same thing about S4's...

Not trying to knit pick or bicker. Just an observation.

[crashalot]

The RS4 is factory built and the SC/S4 would be just some Dude built?

Just sayin.

[bluerocket]

Just some dude built? LOL fuck. Just some dude.......

[gear_head81]

The RS4 is factory built and the SC/S4 would be just some Dude built?

Just sayin.

Hey Jay I guess now your just some dude, instead of "The Dude".

[earthtodan]

Meanwhile, the guys at Audi who designed the 4.2 are just some dudes... although they do speak das German.

[Mr. Corey]

yeah do the PES kit. it's awesome

HAHAHA

[Justincredible]

This thread is funny to me because I think its ironic that the S4 owners are now saying..." an S4 will decimate with just a few bolt ons bla bla bla. an RS4 is just wider fenders, more maint, etc etc..." When the A4 owners say the same thing about S4's...

Not trying to knit pick or bicker. Just an observation.

This was true... Like 4 years ago.. Just FYI the B6 S4 makes more then 100hp more stock right? and modified the S4's are now faster the modifyed A4's if Im not mistaken

[SquiddyB6S4]

This was true... Like 4 years ago.. Just FYI the B6 S4 makes more then 100hp more stock right? and modified the S4's are now faster the modifyed A4's if Im not mistaken

Not to mention it's a totally different planet, even from just an engine performance standpoint (not to mention the superior brakes, suspension, interior by far, etc). Does a 300whp modified A4 make 90% of its peak torque at 2000rpm? Didn't think so. More power at higher engine speeds doesn't make you faster. More power at whatever engine speed you're at right now makes you faster. And then there's the venerable turbo lag . . . Turbo lag is what made me swear I'd never own another 4-banger car again, turbo or otherwise.

[RAudi Driver]

To me all that an RS4 offers is the widebody and a bigger maintenance bill.

JHM supercharger, and some headers FTW.

It's much more than that. It's the whole package and the exclusivity. S4s are becoming a dime a dozen and any joe blow can get into one for two bits these days.

[earthtodan]

It's much more than that. It's the whole package and the exclusivity. S4s are becoming a dime a dozen and any joe blow can get into one for two bits these days.

Exclusivity isn't a performance feature.

[lostkhan]

PES kit? seriously? wait for JHM S/C or go RS4

I want to see some pictures of your car. The drop looks really nice from the front, lets see it from the side

[charlatan]

40k miles on that S4 is nothing. Do the JHM route (intake mani, headers, tune, exhaust) and call it quits til the SC comes out retail.
RS4 is nice, but no reason to go into more payments when you can get the power far cheaper (and as others mentioned, the RS4 is expensive maintenance). I thought I was going to buy an RS6 before I got my S4. I read up on the sept. belt maintenance every 40k. Too expensive for me.

[Justincredible]

Not to mention it's a totally different planet, even from just an engine performance standpoint (not to mention the superior brakes, suspension, interior by far, etc). Does a 300whp modified A4 make 90% of its peak torque at 2000rpm? Didn't think so. More power at higher engine speeds doesn't make you faster. More power at whatever engine speed you're at right now makes you faster. And then there's the venerable turbo lag . . . Turbo lag is what made me swear I'd never own another 4-banger car again, turbo or otherwise.

Nice backup post. Great points.

Exclusivity isn't a performance feature.

How very true

[i_eat_staples]

Exclusivity isn't a performance feature.

neither is a 4,000 lb sport sedan lol

[earthtodan]

neither is a 4,000 lb sport sedan lol

Touché.

[RAudi Driver]

Exclusivity isn't a performance feature.

I never said it was. What's your point? Pound for pound, the RS4 is a better car and the OP should be looking to get into one if he can afford it. If all he wants is more speed, then he should look elsewhere.

[cotmfk]

With only 2500 RS4's brought to the US, they will become hard to find. If the OP wants one, now is not a bad time to bite the bullet. They have taken their huge initial depreciation hit (especially since the newer model is already out), and a lot of the initial owners are moving on to another car. After this and the next 1 or 2 years, it will start to get hard to find a nice condition, unmolested used RS4.

But really, in the OP's shoes... he can't lose either way! A S/C S4 would be awesome, as would an RS4!