APR or AWE Resonated Exhaust?

**BigMike35** · 10-21-2010 07:56 AM

I'm going to pull the trigger on one of these exhausts for my 6-speed 10' S4. It sounds like APR is the popular choice among the forum for the craftsmanship and drone free guarantee.

Is there anyone who has heard both and care to provide feedback comparing both exhausts?

One of my main concerns is that the AWE exhaust will drone. Has any AWE or APR owners experienced drone in the cabin of the car?

**romanvn106** · 10-21-2010 08:02 AM

i have miltek and i love it. Its louder then APR or AWE

**Waxxon** · 10-21-2010 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by romanvn106

i have miltek and i love it. Its louder then APR or AWE

+1

**BigMike35** · 10-21-2010 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by romanvn106

i have miltek and i love it. Its louder then APR or AWE

Have you experienced any drone?

**finesta101** · 10-21-2010 09:05 AM

Miltek sounds great, just louder than apr. Really depends on the volume you are looking for.

**jjslegacy** · 10-21-2010 10:15 AM

I have the APR and am quite pleased - just depends on what you are looking for really

**JMN** · 10-21-2010 10:16 AM

There's more exhaust discussion here: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...xhaust-Reviews

**NickS** · 10-21-2010 01:21 PM

Exhausts are very personal. Like others have said.... it all depends on what you want. I have the APR exhaust and REALLY like that it's very subtle during normal driving but is louder when you're getting on it. I've had too many exhausts in my life that droned and/or resonated inside the car. I'm done with that.... the APR doesn't drone or resonate and has a great exhaust note.

**SeattleSteve** · 10-21-2010 01:39 PM

Love my Milltek non-res but it is much louder than APR or AWE. No drone though... Check link below.

http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=2792128

**ss4** · 10-21-2010 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by BigMike35

I'm going to pull the trigger on one of these exhausts for my 6-speed 10' S4. It sounds like APR is the popular choice among the forum for the craftsmanship and drone free guarantee.

Is there anyone who has heard both and care to provide feedback comparing both exhausts?

One of my main concerns is that the AWE exhaust will drone. Has any AWE or APR owners experienced drone in the cabin of the car?

I have the AWE full resonated exhaust and am very happy with the system. See my link and video below...

Not sure about APR as I have not heard one in person but I just saw this on Quattroworld about cracking problems with the APR exhaust
http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4b8/msgs/14289.phtml

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...eos?highlight=

**tryengel** · 10-21-2010 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by romanvn106

i have miltek and i love it. Its louder then APR or AWE

+2, and no unsightly clamps and bolts holding the tips in place. Mine is the resonated system with downpipes. It has a nice mellow sound at idle, not much different then stock at cruising speeds and a pleasant snarl when heavy foot-ing it.

**NickS** · 10-21-2010 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by tryengel

+2, and no unsightly clamps and bolts holding the tips in place. Mine is the resonated system with downpipes. It has a nice mellow sound at idle, not much different then stock at cruising speeds and a pleasant snarl when heavy foot-ing it.

To be fair.... if the person installing the exhaust knows what they're doing and cares enough to align and adjust the exhaust properly, you won't see the bolts. There are no clamps on the APR exhaust tips. I had mine adjusted and aligned today and they did a fantastic job. Looks perfect now.

Originally Posted by ss4

Not sure about APR as I have not heard one in person but I just saw this on Quattroworld about cracking problems with the APR exhaust.

I am the one that posted that and I will tell you that APR was quick to resolve my issue, got with my local APR shop and had a new exhaust overnighted yesterday. I had the new exhaust installed today. Yes it sucked but I can't say enough about how APR stepped up and quickly resolved my issues.

**adbender** · 10-21-2010 06:16 PM

Had an APR exhaust instead today...already addicted to the deadly howl.

Just excited to hear a sound other than stock which was quite uninspiring by comparison after 14 months of proud ownership otherwise.

No bothersome issues about fit and finish so far.

My rationale really came down to getting modest improvements in performance and a preference for exhaust sound.

Overall, has raised the level of engagement.

**ronnirons** · 10-21-2010 06:18 PM

Nick

Did APR give you a replacement? My local dealer said that they could not do anymore adjustment to hide the screws. Did you go through the dealer or directly through APR?

**NickS** · 10-21-2010 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by ronnirons

Nick

Did APR give you a replacement? My local dealer said that they could not do anymore adjustment to hide the screws. Did you go through the dealer or directly through APR?

Keith at APR took care of everything for me. The rest of your answer is two threads up from yours.

**ronnirons** · 10-21-2010 07:17 PM

Did APR replace it cause of the alignment issues or the issue with the welds (whistling noise)?

**NickS** · 10-21-2010 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by ronnirons

Did APR replace it cause of the alignment issues or the issue with the welds (whistling noise)?

Welds.

**rktskicar** · 10-21-2010 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by adbender

Had an APR exhaust instead today...already addicted to the deadly howl.

Just excited to hear a sound other than stock which was quite uninspiring by comparison after 14 months of proud ownership otherwise.

No bothersome issues about fit and finish so far.

My rationale really came down to getting modest improvements in performance and a preference for exhaust sound.

Overall, has raised the level of engagement.

excellent! same with me. exhaust tone more worthy of this car and improves driving experience.

Bruce

**kapikog** · 10-21-2010 09:53 PM

FWIW, the AWE system sounds the best (haven't heard any in person yet though). I can't believe that anyone could feel any performance differences between the different systems any way. So, I would assume that sound should be the differentiator for most.

**Tommy@Nemesis** · 10-22-2010 03:28 AM

The AWE is the best in terms of quality and sound control. I can also assure you that they spent more time than the competition dyno and sound testing their system to get it perfect.

**NickS** · 10-22-2010 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by MihokS5

The AWE is the best in terms of quality and sound control. I can also assure you that they spent more time than the competition dyno and sound testing their system to get it perfect.

Is that right? Please give us specific details. Were you personally involved with the development and testing of the system? I'm assuming you were since I do not see that you even have a B8S4...

**S-Fore** · 10-22-2010 05:03 AM

Are you questioning his claim and or credentials OR defending your APR exhaust? I'm merely asking out of curiosity. Based on his statement, AWE "apparently" did what he claimed and APR "apparently" rebranded and sells a Corsa System developed and built for them. I guess the question that would clear this up would be, did APR go and personally develop the system @ Corsa or in-house with their team/technology and just have them Fabricate it for them? From what I recall, AWE developed their own system and sub'd it out for production. Correctme if im wrong on all accounts.

Originally Posted by NickS

Is that right? Please give us specific details. Were you personally involved with the development and testing of the system? I'm assuming you were since I do not see that you even have a B8S4...

**Tommy@Nemesis** · 10-22-2010 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by NickS

Is that right? Please give us specific details. Were you personally involved with the development and testing of the system? I'm assuming you were since I do not see that you even have a B8S4...

Wow, someone is a little salty this morning
I've been at an Audi dealer for 10 years now installing every exhaust you can think of and speak from expericience. AWE is also less than an hour north of me and I spend a lot of time with them on their Audi projects. I know their development process very well and have no problem backing up my claims.

No I don't have an S4, but many of my customers do and we've installed systems from 3 major companies.

Nice attempt though at trying to call me out and be witty...

**NickS** · 10-22-2010 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by MihokS5

Wow, someone is a little salty this morning
I've been at an Audi dealer for 10 years now installing every exhaust you can think of and speak from expericience. AWE is also less than an hour north of me and I spend a lot of time with them on their Audi projects. I know their development process very well and have no problem backing up my claims.

No I don't have an S4, but many of my customers do and we've installed systems from 3 major companies.

Nice attempt though at trying to call me out and be witty...

Not at all. I'm just tired of reading posts by people who speak as if they themselves had something to do with the development of products. So I assume you've spent the same amount of time with all the other tuners/vendors that make exhausts to say "I can also assure you that they spent more time than the competition dyno and sound testing their system to get it perfect"? Because unless you have, that is just your opinion and not a fact.

That was really what my reply was about. Had nothing to do with any product or vendor in fact.

**NickS** · 10-22-2010 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by S-Fore

Are you questioning his claim and or credentials OR defending your APR exhaust? I'm merely asking out of curiosity. Based on his statement, AWE "apparently" did what he claimed and APR "apparently" rebranded and sells a Corsa System developed and built for them. I guess the question that would clear this up would be, did APR go and personally develop the system @ Corsa or in-house with their team/technology and just have them Fabricate it for them? From what I recall, AWE developed their own system and sub'd it out for production. Correctme if im wrong on all accounts.

No, see my reply to MihokS5 above. I have no issues with the APR being Corsa and in fact had I not gone with APR I would have purchased the AWE.

**Tommy@Nemesis** · 10-22-2010 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by NickS

Not at all. I'm just tired of reading posts by people who speak as if they themselves had something to do with the development of products. So I assume you've spent the same amount of time with all the other tuners/vendors that make exhausts to say "I can also assure you that they spent more time than the competition dyno and sound testing their system to get it perfect"? Because unless you have, that is just your opinion and not a fact.

That was really what my reply was about. Had nothing to do with any product or vendor in fact.

I can understand your frustration by people making claims, however I only felt the need to post on this thread because I DO know how much time goes into their systems. I've been to track days with them when they've done a lot of sound/backpressure testing and also spent over 4 months working on an R8 exhaust system with them that hasn't officially been released yet, but is a GAME CHANGER

**NickS** · 10-22-2010 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by MihokS5

I can understand your frustration by people making claims, however I only felt the need to post on this thread because I DO know how much time goes into their systems. I've been to track days with them when they've done a lot of sound/backpressure testing and also spent over 4 months working on an R8 exhaust system with them that hasn't officially been released yet, but is a GAME CHANGER

And I can appreciate that and it would indeed be a great opportunity to have such insight and trust in someone's product. However, you still have yet to answer my question about what you said... "I can also assure you that they spent more time than the competition dyno and sound testing their system to get it perfect".... so have you spent the same amount of time with each and every vendor/tuner who makes/sells an exhaust to make such a claim?

**zerinA4** · 10-22-2010 06:09 AM

"I can also assure you that they spent more time than the competition dyno and sound testing their system to get it perfect" is an absurd statement to make. Unless you were there for the development of the rest of the exhausts from start to finish, everything you claim is OPINION and nothing more. Don't state something as a fact if you have NO way of backing it up or supporting it.

It's one thing to support a brand you like, it's another to make flat out silly claims on something that you can't back up.

**primetime** · 10-22-2010 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by MihokS5

The AWE is the best in terms of quality and sound control. I can also assure you that they spent more time than the competition dyno and sound testing their system to get it perfect.

Really? So a company that develops exhausts for a limited line of cars spends more time than a company like Corsa? Oh and I don't have the APR or AWE, presonally I think the Miltek non-res sounds the best and has the best performance....

**NWS4Guy** · 10-22-2010 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by primetime

Really? So a company that develops exhausts for a limited line of cars spends more time than a company like Corsa? Oh and I don't have the APR or AWE, presonally I think the Miltek non-res sounds the best and has the best performance....

So you are just a hater?

LOL, had to inject some more silliness in this already silly post.

**primetime** · 10-22-2010 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by NWS4Guy

So you are just a hater?

LOL, had to inject some more silliness in this already silly post.

Oh yeah.... LOL The mule car for Corsa is on this board and I know him as he lives close by and I helped him with some vagcom mods for his S and his wifes Q..... Trying to get him to get a tune and come to the track with me :) Maybe he will chime in....

**bimmerhead12** · 10-22-2010 06:55 AM

While sound is subjective.. i have the AWE full resonated exhaust and IMHO AWE has perfected the sound. It's not too loud and not too soft.. just right. Very nice aggressive tone that also sounds very refined. I used to have the UUC exhaust on my bimmer (which is also made by Corsa with their RSC technology) and AWE's resonated exhaust sounds a thousand times better. It's probably not a good comparison since they are different cars (same 3.0 engine size) but I'm very happy with AWE's exhaust sounds.

**Tommy@Nemesis** · 10-22-2010 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by NickS

And I can appreciate that and it would indeed be a great opportunity to have such insight and trust in someone's product. However, you still have yet to answer my question about what you said... "I can also assure you that they spent more time than the competition dyno and sound testing their system to get it perfect".... so have you spent the same amount of time with each and every vendor/tuner who makes/sells an exhaust to make such a claim?

Well why do you think AWE has always been criticized for being late with their product releases???

I guess I should change my statement to:

" I've installed AWE, APR, MTM, Milltek, Capristo, STaSIS, Sportec, Fast Intentions, ect and have plenty of experience with Audi exhausts. Between AWE and APR, my OPINION from experience is that AWE makes a better product."

I take back my previous statement in my original post and it was not an attempt to stir the pot in any way.

The reason this thread was started was becuase the OP asked for opinions on the two...I didn't realize it would turn into a pissing match but then again this seems to be the way things are with the B8 S4 product market

**Tommy@Nemesis** · 10-22-2010 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by bimmerhead12

While sound is subjective.. i have the AWE full resonated exhaust and IMHO AWE has perfected the sound. It's not too loud and not too soft.. just right. Very nice aggressive tone that also sounds very refined. I used to have the UUC exhaust on my bimmer (which is also made by Corsa with their RSC technology) and AWE's resonated exhaust sounds a thousand times better. It's probably not a good comparison since they are different cars (same 3.0 engine size) but I'm very happy with AWE's exhaust sounds.

Thank you very much for your honest feedback. The point I was trying to make was exactly that.

**zerinA4** · 10-22-2010 07:19 AM

I think Business Communications 101 should be a required course before being allowed to post in this forum.

**NWS4Guy** · 10-22-2010 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by zerinA4

I think Business Communications 101 should be a required course before being allowed to post on any internet forum.

Fixed!

**Tommy@Nemesis** · 10-22-2010 07:22 AM

I wasn't trying to start sh*t, but it seems like you get attacked for having a different opinion on here

**StratJohn** · 10-22-2010 07:52 AM

Mihok I think people took offense when you suggested that ANY one company would spend more time than any OTHER company developing a product... without being say, a third party observer hired to quantify that as a fact.

On that note, no one has attacked you for an opinion- in fact I would think that most posters here agree that the best exhaust sound is completely opinion based.

**Tommy@Nemesis** · 10-22-2010 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by StratJohn

Mihok I think people took offense when you suggested that ANY one company would spend more time than any OTHER company developing a product... without being say, a third party observer hired to quantify that as a fact.

On that note, no one has attacked you for an opinion- in fact I would think that most posters here agree that the best exhaust sound is completely opinion based.

John,
It is a known fact that some companies spend more time than others developing their products. This is true no matter what car your are modding or what scene you are in. Some just want to be first to the market...
I was not trying to slam APR or any other company in any way, But I see that it came out that way so I apologize. I was just being enthusiastic I guess

Being a mod friend friendly dealer we install a lot of different products and see lots of different issues with sound, drone, fitment etc. I think that you really can't get a "bad" product nowadays with all of the parts available, but there are some areas where certain products are superior.

The reason I said "attacked" is because the bickering back and forth in this forum is excessive sometimes and at the end of the day we are all here for the same reason. We love to mod Audis and want to share our experiences

**StratJohn** · 10-22-2010 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by MihokS5

Some just want to be first to the market...

Some companies are in countries where the car is out well before we see it stateside.

I entirely agree with your last sentence. Everyone attacked because you have no quantitative proof that any company did more dyno work than another. I think we're just trying to keep our excessive bickering factual.

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