ANYBODY have a boost brothers fmic for sale or knows where i can get one???

[akalito]

sorry to post this here but if anybody has a boost brother intercooler for sale pmm me. yess yess i know the core this the core that. just looking for a good fitting fmic for my k03

[BASARAB]

I believe they stopped making them...

[Broncos10499]

I'm looking for one also! Ahh!

[akalito]

yeah i know they stopped making them but im pissed i wasnt able to grab that one on the classified. been looking for one for agess lmao

[akalito]

they should remake them again maybe just a couple i know they'll have a handful of us lined up to buy one

[Broncos10499]

Is there anything out there like the boostbros fmic? Around the same price and suitable for the KO3..?

[AudiA4Turbo22]

Shoot me a PM I have one for sale.

[EBG 18T]

i still don't understand the facination with the BB FMIC.

[jmw241]

^ It's cheep, looks it cheep too haha.

I don't understand why people cheep out on an audi.

[CoreyRS]

because something being expensive doesn't always mean it is better. BB FMIC works fine for a K03 and its cheap. Why buy a racetec for 3x the price and no noticeable difference in performance on a baby turbo? Because its expensive?

[613B6]

I run one, see the ET's in my sig, stock block, stock manifold, stock exhaust, pump gas @ 22 psi...cheap hellz ya : )

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^ It's cheep, looks it cheep too haha.

I don't understand why people cheep out on an audi.

Because a good Bar and Plate Front Mount core from Precision(600HP core) is like $450 and piping can't be more than $100 making the total to $550 and so they shouldn't sell for more than $800. However, companies like Racetec and ER and ASP, etc. use cores half that size and produce them for much much less than $550 are selling them for over $1,000 so it's literally a rip off. The ER comp has a lot going for it though, you get a good product, but $1,400 is waaaaay too much IMHO.

[manhertm]

Because a good Bar and Plate Front Mount core from Precision(600HP core) is like $450 and piping can't be more than $100 making the total to $550 and so they shouldn't sell for more than $800. However, companies like Racetec and ER and ASP, etc. use cores half that size and produce them for much much less than $550 are selling them for over $1,000 so it's literally a rip off. The ER comp has a lot going for it though, you get a good product, but $1,400 is waaaaay too much IMHO.

Well, it's called business, while I can't say what ER's manufacturering costs are, some people are willing to pay a premium for what they deem as less of a headache. I think anybody who does a little research can see that a good quality FMIC equal to ER Sport or Comp can be had for less than half that price. It's convienence Kirk. As for BB, it wasn't meant to be a high horsepower core and most people aren't pushing BT/BAT set-ups so it does just fine. I suspect upgrading to a bigger core would improve the numbers of the BB and make it suitable for a BT. Bar & plate is a bar and plate, I'd just measure the dimensions of the BB core and get a thicker core. Oh yeah, pm a price for the BB FMIC, I'll take it off your hands if the price is right.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^have someone interested, but I'll let you know.

[EBG 18T]

I run one, see the ET's in my sig, stock block, stock manifold, stock exhaust, pump gas @ 22 psi...cheap hellz ya : )

I am wondering what your IAT's look like during the summer. Do you happen have a log by chance?

because something being expensive doesn't always mean it is better. BB FMIC works fine for a K03 and its cheap. Why buy a racetec for 3x the price and no noticeable difference in performance on a baby turbo? Because its expensive?

There is more to a product than price. Effeciency and temp reduction is key. Once you start pushing an IC in the heat a high density setup will reduce temps much better than a low density system. When pushing a KO3 to it's limits on 1 or 1+ software creates alot of heat and quality intercooling is key. After efeciency easy of install and quality fit and finish are key.

Many of us are willing to spend extra for a top quality core and excellent fit and finish. It should fit out of the box and should work well.

[thebikedoctor33]

\piping can't be more than $100

good luck finding a legit shop to fab piping for you for less than 200, let alone $100. Most places I called when I was searching, 3 months ago, wanted closer to 300 to fab up custom piping will materials and couplings and all.

but i agree a grand for a fmic is pretty outrageous.

[613B6]

I am wondering what your IAT's look like during the summer. Do you happen have a log by chance?

Yes, tonnes of logs. I know exactly what they are but does it really matter? Trap speeds don't lie, could my car make more power with lower IATs? Possibly, but comparing my times and traps to others Im doing well on a mostly stock setup...

[manhertm]

Yes, tonnes of logs. I know exactly what they are but does it really matter? Trap speeds don't lie, could my car make more power with lower IATs? Possibly, but comparing my times and traps to others Im doing well on a mostly stock setup...

So post them, there's no argument, we only want more info for the benefit of the forum.

[manhertm]

Let's see those logs 613B6, I'm pretty interested now.

[jmw241]

^ I highly doubt a BB Fmic will keep IAT's down like a bar and plate ic will. Actually I know it wont.

[BAB1990]

^ I highly doubt a BB Fmic will keep IAT's down like a bar and plate ic will. Actually I know it wont.

Uhm... Boost Bro's is bar and plate...

Edit: I had/have one. I still use the cold side piping with my BAT.

[jmw241]

Well shit, in that case the only thing that would hinder it from keeping IAT's down it core size, and flow pipe diameter.

All I know is I just droped 1500 on a fmic. I know I'm getting a solid product that will keep IAT's down, flow well, and work with my bumper. It's is a bit over priced but I know for a fact that it will perform, look good, and install fairly easy.

Tube and Fin
Pros:
Generally weighs about half as much as a bar and plate core of similar dimensions
Generally less expensive
Generally less flow restriction within the core than bar and plate designs
Less flow restriction through the exterior allowing better flow to the rear of the core and to a radiator, AC condenser, tranny or oil cooler, etc. which may be behind it

Cons:
Those with less flow restriction than bar and plate cores offer less heat rejection
Generally have more fins which means they're more likely to be damaged by rocks/debris which cuts down on cooling efficiency
Charge air entry extends beyond core wall making it more difficult for air to enter the core cleanly



Bar and Plate
Pros:
Generally off greater heat rejection than tube and fin design
Those with turbulators offer even greater heat rejection
Offered in tons of varying shapes and sizes
Less likely to be damaged by rocks and debris
Charge air entry sits flush with core allowing for cleaner entry

Cons:
Weighs about twice as much as a similarly size tube and fin core
More expensive
Blocks more airflow to radiators, etc. which may be behind it
Those with turbulators have greater flow resistance to charge air

^ Taken from http://www.iwsti.com/forums/2-5-lite...ercoolers.html

[plug1]

I'll have my BB FMIC up for sale within the next month or two I would imagine. I'm going BT and am upgrading to a Racetec. If anyone wants dibs on it and can wait, PM me...great little FMIC for the k03. I'm running it with APR II+ software and it's a very noticeable difference over the stock SMIC.

[manhertm]

At jmw241 The BB FMIC is bar and plate, I concluded what BAB1990, basically said earlier in the post. The piping on the BB FMIC is fine, all you have to do is upgrade to a thicker core, and a good core can be easily had for $200 on EBAy. I'd say keep the vertical dimensions the same and get a thicker core of 3" or 3.5" for better IATs. People are expecting ER Comp level performance out of the BB kit when it was never meant for that. I was a low cost alternative for people who weren't making huge power ,but still wanted lower IATs. Some people just don't need a big core, there's no right or wrong about it, just what the your end goals are.

613B6 said, he had tons of logs and I'm interested to see the BB FMIC capabilities. He said it was good enough for him and I have no reason to doubt that, but some people(including myself) like quantitative results for comparison's sake.

[akalito]

At jmw241 The BB FMIC is bar and plate, I concluded what BAB1990, basically said earlier in the post. The piping on the BB FMIC is fine, all you have to do is upgrade to a thicker core, and a good core can be easily had for $200 on EBAy. I'd say keep the vertical dimensions the same and get a thicker core of 3" or 3.5" for better IATs. People are expecting ER Comp level performance out of the BB kit when it was never meant for that. I was a low cost alternative for people who weren't making huge power ,but still wanted lower IATs. Some people just don't need a big core, there's no right or wrong about it, just what the your end goals are.

613B6 said, he had tons of logs and I'm interested to see the BB FMIC capabilities. He said it was good enough for him and I have no reason to doubt that, but some people(including myself) like quantitative results for comparison's sake.

thank you exactly my point i made this thread so i can get a front mount for my k03 nothing else if i go big turbo no way ill be rocking a bb intercooler. but i dont have the money to go BT right now

[EBG 18T]

613B6 said, he had tons of logs and I'm interested to see the BB FMIC capabilities. He said it was good enough for him and I have no reason to doubt that, but some people(including myself) like quantitative results for comparison's sake.

I didn't mean to spark an issue. But i am curius about the IAT's with the BB. If someone posts up the BB FMIC IAT's and the actual conditions i will try to post up ER logs from similar conditions.I should be bumping the boost to 26-27psi shortly so i should be creating some extra heat here shortly.

613b6 - unfortunatly i don't have any trap time to compare. I wish i did. But your time is impressive.

[Sales@RAI]

I'm sorry but you could not make the ER comp kit for less than half of what it costs an retain the same quality

[jmw241]

I'm sorry but you could not make the ER comp kit for less than half of what it costs an retain the same quality

Good to know, my bum feels slightly better now :-).

[BASARAB]

I'm sorry but you could not make the ER comp kit for less than half of what it costs an retain the same quality

Yes, u can, if u dont pay for labor and brand name so much

[Sales@RAI]

Yes, u can, if u dont pay for labor and brand name so much

So... Your sacrificing quality. I maintain my point. There is a reason the ER is so much $$

[manhertm]

So... Your sacrificing quality. I maintain my point. There is a reason the ER is so much $$

You can get a Mishimoto B&P core with ER Comp dimensions.
ER Comp core 20"x11"x3
Mishimoto M-line core 23.5"x11.75"x3 MSRP $340 Click Ebay $265 Shipped Click

Let's say you spend $500 on custom piping, that would put you right at the halfway point for a ER Comp FMIC. At total of $765 and that's on the high end. It's not hard to get a good quality FMIC for a reasonable price.

[kwimberly]

A note about branding:

Simply because something is a well-known brand does not mean that it is superior in any way. Companies spend millions on branding to get people to *think* that the brand is superior. It's simple name recognition. If you peel away the branding from many products, you will see that they are exactly the same, if not inferior to, alternative products which sell for less money. Some examples: Rolex, Monster (cables), Bose

[manhertm]

A note about branding:

Simply because something is a well-known brand does not mean that it is superior in any way. Companies spend millions on branding to get people to *think* that the brand is superior. It's simple name recognition. If you peel away the branding from many products, you will see that they are exactly the same, if not inferior to, alternative products which sell for less money. Some examples: Rolex, Monster (cables), Bose

WhAAAAAAAAAAT! My Monster cables gave me HD quality viewing on a tube TV.

[BASARAB]

A note about branding:

Simply because something is a well-known brand does not mean that it is superior in any way. Companies spend millions on branding to get people to *think* that the brand is superior. It's simple name recognition. If you peel away the branding from many products, you will see that they are exactly the same, if not inferior to, alternative products which sell for less money. Some examples: Rolex, Monster (cables), Bose

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[jimbro]

You can get a Mishimoto B&P core with ER Comp dimensions.
ER Comp core 20"x11"x3
Mishimoto M-line core 23.5"x11.75"x3 MSRP $340 Click Ebay $265 Shipped Click



Let's say you spend $500 on custom piping, that would put you right at the halfway point for a ER Comp FMIC. At total of $765 and that's on the high end. It's not hard to get a good quality FMIC for a reasonable price.

"Tube & Fin Construction" It says so right in the tech specs. and if you look at the pics of the ebay intercooler, they are tube and fin design also.

[EBG 18T]

You can get a Mishimoto B&P core with ER Comp dimensions.
ER Comp core 20"x11"x3
Mishimoto M-line core 23.5"x11.75"x3 MSRP $340 Click Ebay $265 Shipped Click


Let's say you spend $500 on custom piping, that would put you right at the halfway point for a ER Comp FMIC. At total of $765 and that's on the high end. It's not hard to get a good quality FMIC for a reasonable price.

No one will argue that if you peice everything together on your own you can save $. But for many people the convience of buying a KIT is worth the premium.

[manhertm]

"Tube & Fin Construction" It says so right in the tech specs.

Weird, the eBay auction states bar and plate. I stand corrected on the Mishimoto core.

[jimbro]

Thats why i hate ebay, they are always trying to deceive you!

[dangerouslaser]

I am wondering what your IAT's look like during the summer. Do you happen have a log by chance?

he's in ottawa man. its like 80 degrees there in the summer

[manhertm]

Actually everywhere I read states mishimoto cores are b&p. I just emailed them to confirm. They were recently featured in European Car mag, so the looked legit to me.