Lowering B7 A4...4X4 Pic

[Mc Suly]

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[green a6]

go with h&r

[seanj130]

yep, HNR race. or my buddy from highschool was on Neuspeed springs on stock shocks and it was low.

[DocJ]

you could do neuspeed race. honestly, any race spring will DROP you (but not like coils).

[QUATTROA4B7]

^ x2 Neuspeed race will give you the best possible stance without coils IMO
Still a lil' reverse rake though.

[Insane_Audi]

coiloivers, do it right the first time

[shiro1745]

this is what I just did: h&r / BILSTEIN

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ilstein-PHOTOS

[Insane_Audi]

Too costly bro, you can get about the same quality in a simple spring+shock combo.

key word, about..

you drive an audi, dont go the cheap route to modding

you can search for hours on what kind of spring shcok combo you want, but there is no way to ensure that it will be the right height or feel you want

with coils, you can adjust to the perfect height you want, and you are guaranteed the best handling with a good set

there are quite a few people on here who wish they bought coilovers in the first place, and or switched out their spring/shocks for a coilover setup

and with people selling them for 7-800, they arent much more than the best spring shock setup you can buy

my $.02

[jsantiago17]

key word, about..

you drive an audi, dont go the cheap route to modding

you can search for hours on what kind of spring shcok combo you want, but there is no way to ensure that it will be the right height or feel you want

with coils, you can adjust to the perfect height you want, and you are guaranteed the best handling with a good set

there are quite a few people on here who wish they bought coilovers in the first place, and or switched out their spring/shocks for a coilover setup

and with people selling them for 7-800, they arent much more than the best spring shock setup you can buy

my $.02

I've been thinking about doing a shock/spring combo (possibly Koni). I keep hearing that CO's is the way to go, but have seen some guys really like their spring/shock combo. Are you saying CO's are better, solely because you can adjust or are there any other benefits, such as reliability, quality, etc? Very curious what the main difference is, as I am contemplating either CO's or spring/shock combo.....

[elwigglero]

save for coilovers and get the exact ride height you want.

[jsantiago17]

save for coilovers and get the exact ride height you want.

Thanks....would you say that is the sole difference why they are better?

*Edit* - Just wondering if a good spring/shock combo is as reliable and will have the same effect as a coilover setup...

[jsantiago17]

Only reason i find they are better is that they are HEIGHT adjustable and some with dampening.
I don't want to pay high $$$ for just the adjustability.
Coil overs are just spring and shock setup that can be adjusted...

Thanks McSuly...that's what I thought - I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something else, since everyone says to just go with coilovers. I agree, it is the best/safe way to go in the sense that you can adjust, if you want...but, if I can get a good combo w/ springs & shocks with the ride height I'm looking for, I think I will go that route.

[shiro1745]

key word, about..

you drive an audi, dont go the cheap route to modding

you can search for hours on what kind of spring shcok combo you want, but there is no way to ensure that it will be the right height or feel you want

with coils, you can adjust to the perfect height you want, and you are guaranteed the best handling with a good set

there are quite a few people on here who wish they bought coilovers in the first place, and or switched out their spring/shocks for a coilover setup

and with people selling them for 7-800, they arent much more than the best spring shock setup you can buy

my $.02

I would have to disagree here. CO IMO is more for the look. To many variables to be the best setup for handling. You can have it as high as the CO go or as low as they go. Which height is the best for performance? Which dampening level is best for handling? It is so relative, that at the end of the day you're not sure what you've got. You know you have a good CO kit, but is it adjusted right? And if it is, what is it adjusted for, handling? look? both? the performance doesn't come with any compromise. So it's hard to believe that a CO kit is better than a good spring/shock kit. Does the CO look better? definitely

[elwigglero]

Thanks....would you say that is the sole difference why they are better?

*Edit* - Just wondering if a good spring/shock combo is as reliable and will have the same effect as a coilover setup...

Adjustability is what coilovers give you over spring/shock combos. Neither one is really "better" than the other as far as performance goes because there are varying performance levels/prices on each side. But... coilovers will let you completely customize your ride height and often dampening, so you will rarely be disappointed. Spring/shock combos are hit or miss and can't be adjusted.

[Insane_Audi]

I would have to disagree here. CO IMO is more for the look. To many variables to be the best setup for handling. You can have it as high as the CO go or as low as they go. Which height is the best for performance? Which dampening level is best for handling? It is so relative, that at the end of the day you're not sure what you've got. You know you have a good CO kit, but is it adjusted right? And if it is, what is it adjusted for, handling? look? both? the performance doesn't come with any compromise. So it's hard to believe that a CO kit is better than a good spring/shock kit. Does the CO look better? definitely

lol...maybe you should do a little more research on coilovers

[Insane_Audi]

It all comes down to, do you want to adjust or not!

http://www.namotorsports.net/detail....ST10.498.90605
->That is a good coil over price compared to what i have seen, just no dampening. If you want to adjust to make every situation perfect get these.

If you want to keep it simple with budget just get springs under >1.5" with stock everything & you will be fine.

If you want to go more advance get spring & shocks.

again...do more research before you make very naive comments about suspensions

springs on a stock shock will blow the shock out in a matter of time..there is no simple about it, it is called half assed
if you dont really care about having the best handling setup as well as look that these cars can have, than go the spring/shock route

any race car, the lower the center of gravity, the better the car will handle, coilovers give you this ability to lower your center of gravity

if there was ever a performance test between coilovers and a spring/shock setup...i would pick coilovers to win every time, no ifs ands or buts about it

[palestar]

again...do more research before you make very naive comments about suspensions

springs on a stock shock will blow the shock out in a matter of time..there is no simple about it, it is called half assed
if you dont really care about having the best handling setup as well as look that these cars can have, than go the spring/shock route

any race car, the lower the center of gravity, the better the car will handle, coilovers give you this ability to lower your center of gravity

if there was ever a performance test between coilovers and a spring/shock setup...i would pick coilovers to win every time, no ifs ands or buts about it

Wow this post is so full of misinformation is unbelievable.. so the lower the car is the better it handles? Are you honestly serious?

You need to go back to the drawing board to get a clue man..Springs and shocks can handle just as well as Coils, the ONLY reason to go coils is if you need the adjustability.. nothing more, nothing less.

[Insane_Audi]

Wow this post is so full of misinformation is unbelievable.. so the lower the car is the better it handles? Are you honestly serious?

You need to go back to the drawing board to get a clue man..Springs and shocks can handle just as well as Coils, the ONLY reason to go coils is if you need the adjustability.. nothing more, nothing less.

LOL!...yes the lower a car is, the better it handles, its called gravity my friend

wow, what has happened to the b7 section

[palestar]

LOL!...yes the lower a car is, the better it handles, its called gravity my friend

wow, what has happened to the b7 section

Hehe you are a moron man.. so by your theory, this car:



Handles better than this, solely on the fact its lower?



You do realize there is a point where lowering the car has a negative effect on handling? Also that 'race cars' as you put it have adjusted suspension geometry to account for the 3 or 4" lower they are than a stock car.. You have a LOT to learn about suspension!

[Insane_Audi]

Hehe you are a moron man.. so by your theory, this car:

Handles better than this, solely on the fact its lower?

You do realize there is a point where lowering the car has a negative effect on handling? Also that 'race cars' as you put it have adjusted suspension geometry to account for the 3 or 4" lower they are than a stock car.. You have a LOT to learn about suspension!

wow, no wonder nobody posts here anymore, everyone was scared away by people that have very little knowledge of cars

there is a difference between slamming a car for looks, and lowering a car for performance

im not even going to argue, take a physics course...the lower a car is, the lower center of gravity, allowing it to take corners harder and exit faster

so a jeep with a spring/shock setup will handle as well as a car with coilovers?

the only downside of lowering a car too much is it will rub, and take away from performance..

next you are going to tell me weight doesnt matter either...it seems like you have very little knowledge when it comes to having the best suspension, and are basing your info off of what you think

for fucks sakes google it or something, this makes me want to cry, that these are the people that now contribute to others about modifying these cars

im going back to the b6 section

[Apollo]

^ +1

[Go Dutch]

^ +2

[Insane_Audi]

so the lower the car is the better it handles? Are you honestly serious?

and yes, i am honestly serious

[STONER]

I just put H&R springs on my car this past weekend. I love the look of my car now ,but I have to admit I wish the front was an inch lower. Dam should have listened and done coilovers.

[Insane_Audi]

I just put H&R springs on my car this past weekend. I love the look of my car now ,but I have to admit I wish the front was an inch lower. Dam should have listened and done coilovers.

cant tell if you are serious

[STONER]

I am serious. The reason I didnt buy coilovers is cause I don't track my car. I don't really put a whole lot of miles on my car. I figured since I don't track it or drive it hard that I could use the money for other mods. Coilovers would be nice so that I could have the exact same wheel gap between the front and rear.

[jsantiago17]

hey guys the ones who have coil overs with dampening does that really matter?

x2. How much do you feel with changing the dampening? Is there a big difference in ride quality with being able to adjust the dampening?

[Insane_Audi]

most dont have dampening adjust, unless you go real expensive

[jimrobbington]

x2. How much do you feel with changing the dampening? Is there a big difference in ride quality with being able to adjust the dampening?

I would compare coilovers and how dampening effects them to music.

You hit a bump, and dampening controls how hard or soft your shocks push back against it to get the car "level" again. Changing the dampening is like tightening a string on a guitar to acheive a higher note.

Now normal people with no racing knowledge (like me) would have no idea with what's better. But a racing mind can "tune" the dampening to allow the perfect harmony of the car and road, depending on overall weight, F/R weight ratio, and other factors like weather even.

That is why I got CO's without dampening adjustment, because it would do me no good, and I would never use it.

[jsantiago17]

I would compare coilovers and how dampening effects them to music.

You hit a bump, and dampening controls how hard or soft your shocks push back against it to get the car "level" again. Changing the dampening is like tightening a string on a guitar to acheive a higher note.

Now normal people with no racing knowledge (like me) would have no idea with what's better. But a racing mind can "tune" the dampening to allow the perfect harmony of the car and road, depending on overall weight, F/R weight ratio, and other factors like weather even.

That is why I got CO's without dampening adjustment, because it would do me no good, and I would never use it.

Ha! Yeah...I have a friend who has an M3 and he tells me if I get coils, to make sure they have both height adjustability and dampening control. I guess I haven't rode in enough cars that have coilovers to really buy a set of coilovers that have dampening control. I wouldn't know where to set it at.

Still pondering if I'm going to do coilovers or a spring/shock combo - I'm up in the air with Koni shocks & springs or KW V1's.....

[EMAXX]

wow, no wonder nobody posts here anymore, everyone was scared away by people that have very little knowledge of cars

there is a difference between slamming a car for looks, and lowering a car for performance

im not even going to argue, take a physics course...the lower a car is, the lower center of gravity, allowing it to take corners harder and exit faster

so a jeep with a spring/shock setup will handle as well as a car with coilovers?

the only downside of lowering a car too much is it will rub, and take away from performance..

next you are going to tell me weight doesnt matter either...it seems like you have very little knowledge when it comes to having the best suspension, and are basing your info off of what you think

for fucks sakes google it or something, this makes me want to cry, that these are the people that now contribute to others about modifying these cars

im going back to the b6 section

You should try reading this and then see what you think...
I would love to hear your opinions on it, since you know so much about physics and all.

http://www.automedia.com/The_Downlow...sm20030601h3/1

There is a certain point when you start throwing the suspension all out of line and you end up doing more damage than good.


Honestly, if you don't track a car, I really don't see the point in getting coilovers. There are plenty of people that drive M3s and choose to go with H&R springs and some struts. This has to be the first forum that I've ever been on where people adamantly say to get coils over springs.

[Insane_Audi]

You should try reading this and then see what you think...
I would love to hear your opinions on it, since you know so much about physics and all.

http://www.automedia.com/The_Downlow...sm20030601h3/1

There is a certain point when you start throwing the suspension all out of line and you end up doing more damage than good.


Honestly, if you don't track a car, I really don't see the point in getting coilovers. There are plenty of people that drive M3s and choose to go with H&R springs and some struts. This has to be the first forum that I've ever been on where people adamantly say to get coils over springs.

i dont get your point, that is basically what i said...there is a difference between slammed for looks, and lowered for performance(exactly what i said before)

and when we are talking about lowering your car for performance, it is implied that there are adjustable control arms and proper alignment done to prevent camber,toe and all that other jazz..

the bottom line is race oriented suspensions use coilovers to adjust the car for the surface and track..in this instance, coilovers are the best bet for the street because depending on the area you can change your height(and in some case dampening) for the best quality/performance

[A 4 Awesome]

I just put H&R springs on my car this past weekend. I love the look of my car now ,but I have to admit I wish the front was an inch lower. Dam should have listened and done coilovers.

Look into B5 Lowering Caps. IIRC they should fix your problem.

[chrislane31]

Once you lower a car so that the control arms are not parallel the handling will not get better. Parallel is optimum, same as HIDs, 4300k has the best output, More or less than 4300k the output will decrease.

And if you are going to track your car you will be much happier and your car will handle better with Bilsteins and H&Rs than a cheap set of coilovers with inferior dampers.

[Insane_Audi]

Once you lower a car so that the control arms are not parallel the handling will not get better. Parallel is optimum, same as HIDs, 4300k has the best output, More or less than 4300k the output will decrease.

are you talking parallel as in toe or camber?

[chrislane31]

The control arms. If you took the same car with coils and an experienced driver you would have your best time with probably about 1.5" to 2" drop. If you look at high end suspensions for the track for most cars you will see that they do not lower the car much at all.

[Insane_Audi]

The control arms. If you took the same car with coils and an experienced driver you would have your best time with probably about 1.5" to 2" drop. If you look at high end suspensions for the track for most cars you will see that they do not lower the car much at all.

true, but that is to prevent from interfering with the car(such as tires rubbing on hard corners)...there is a certain amount of drag that is reduced from lowering your car, as well as a lower center of gravity...so as low as you can go without interfering with the body and having heavy toe is most efficient

a small amount of camber in the rear isnt a bad thing in racing, it is the front that hurts your handling

[chrislane31]

Correct but go to a race and look at the cars in stock classes and they are not that low. Once you go too low you throw off all of the suspension geometry.

If you want to hate life look at Shine Suspension products.

[Insane_Audi]

Correct but go to a race and look at the cars in stock classes and they are not that low. Once you go too low you throw off all of the suspension geometry.

If you want to hate life look at Shine Suspension products.

exactly why i said there is a difference between slammed and race spec setup

whats with the shine? are they supposed to keep you at stock height lol?

[chrislane31]

Stock height or higher and their cars blow away the competition, haha