Cluster swap questions. Will it work?

[8520]

So I just bought this cluster -



I'm trying to figure out

a) What year it came from and

2) What it will take to get this working in my car correctly

My concern is that with the silver rings I would assume it is out of an 03-04 a6 which would have an immobilizer, whereas my car, a 2000, does not. Am I going to run in to issues because of this?

Also, for what it's worth, I understand that I will need to vag this cluster to get the correct mileage on my car to display.

[DRA4]

Don't go by the silver rings, you can buy those off Ebay.

[8520]

I suppose. I just don't remember my cluster having an abs light. I'll have to go check now.

[A62TURBO]

Yeah most likely it won't work.

[rs6aavant]

Yes, the silver rings could come from ebay but I have an 2004 A6 and this is the way the cluster looks. Otherwise I would say your assumption is correct. The cluster more than likely came out of a 03-04 A6 and you will probably need to get the VAG'ed to work correctly with your model year.

[SteveKen]

I hope for my your sake that I'm wrong, but I'm guessing that it will not work unless your car has Immobilizer.

The cluster will probably be looking for the immobilizer but will not find it. I'll be interested to see how you make out.

[pohsib]

It will work. I installed a cluster from an 04 A6 3.0 in my car (2000 A6 4.2 swapped 2.7T). Works perfectly. The only thing is the immobilizer light keep blinking but it doesn't do anything. I just need to either pull the chip that holds the immo data or just remove the LED so it stops blinking. There is some soft code changes you need to do and some adaptations (channel 60 - either 0 or 1027 depending on your MAF).

[8520]

So I tried plugging in the new cluster today, and I have a couple issues.

The tach does not work, and after driving for a minute the oil light came on.

Will the adapations mentioned on ross tech fix these issues?

http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/car...-swapping.html

[pohsib]

you need to access adaptation channel 60 in module 17 (instrument cluster). Do you have a Hitachi or Bosch MAF?

[8520]

I believe I have the bosch maf. It is whatever came stock with the car.

That wouldn't cause the oil light though, would it?

[pohsib]

So in adaptation channel 60 in the instrument cluster, you need to change the value to 0. I'm sure its probably 1027 or something other than 0.

[8520]

I changed that value, but it still does the same thing. No tach, and the oil light comes on as soon as I start the car.

[8520]

It gives me these codes -

VAG-COM Version: Release 409.1-S

Control Module Part Number: 4B0 920 983 EX
Component and/or Version: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. VDO D16
Software Coding: 02264
Work Shop Code: WSC 00000
Additional Info: WAULT64B62N132069 AUZ7Z0B2101147
9 Faults Found:
01128 - Immobilizer Pickup Coil (D2)
35-00 - -
01176 - Key
07-00 - Signal too Low
01177 - Engine Control Unit
49-00 - No Communications
01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36)
49-00 - No Communications
01304 - Radio
49-00 - No Communications
01314 - Engine Control Module
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01315 - Transmission Control Module
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01327 - Control Module for Parking Aid (J446)
49-00 - No Communications
00562 - Sensor for Oil Level/Temperature (G266)
30-10 - Open or Short to B+ - Intermittent

[pohsib]

ah...you need to change the soft coding on the cluster as well from 02264 to your original coding...I think its 06651 but check your old cluster to be sure.

For that go to instruments and recode

[8520]

I will try that tomorrow when I'm sober and report back.

[8520]

Both of my clusters are coded @ 02264, and from what vagcom says, that's what they are supposed to be ....



If I do the output test through vagcom, everything works fine so there has to be a setting that I'm missing.

[Scotty@Advanced]

Yes, the silver rings could come from ebay but I have an 2004 A6 and this is the way the cluster looks. Otherwise I would say your assumption is correct. The cluster more than likely came out of a 03-04 A6 and you will probably need to get the VAG'ed to work correctly with your model year.

2002 had the silver rings as well. The 02 and 03 clusters are the same part number. IIRC the 2000 is a specific cluster and the 01 is yet another part number.

Both of my clusters are coded @ 02264, and from what vagcom says, that's what they are supposed to be ....



If I do the output test through vagcom, everything works fine so there has to be a setting that I'm missing.

Or the cluster just won't work.

[ricam78]

My 2001 allroad matches that also:

edit:, the steering column cover trim piece is diff on whatever that came from though, so not an allroad.

[pohsib]

Both of my clusters are coded @ 02264, and from what vagcom says, that's what they are supposed to be ....



If I do the output test through vagcom, everything works fine so there has to be a setting that I'm missing.

You are correct...I was thinking about the ECU soft coding. What I would do is write down the adaptation values from your old cluster and the new and compare. Change the values in the new to match your old one. IIRC thats what I did to get an 04 cluster to work in my 2000.

[8520]

So just manually go through and check adaptation values 1-100?

[8520]

Changed what adapation values I could, and still the same thing. Weak.

[pohsib]

Are you sure your MAF is the original Bosch? Your profile says you are stage 3 and most switch to a Hitachi MAF for tuning. What ECU box are you running? A6 file? S4 file?

[8520]

Are you sure your MAF is the original Bosch? Your profile says you are stage 3 and most switch to a Hitachi MAF for tuning. What ECU box are you running? A6 file? S4 file?

I'll check my maf later today.

I know it's giac stg1 or stg2 chipped, but that's about all I know.

[audifirst]

There are two possible issues why your tachometer will not work
1. Early 2000 models don't have CAN-BUS wiring done , they started in late 2000, early 2001, the cluster you have has it , and there is no possibly to deactivate it


2. get yourself pin diagram for year 2000 and 2003 for instrument cluster and you need to compare blue and green connectors pin layout to see if all are identical, you might possibly need a pin or two to move

Also if there is mileage programmed on the cluster you bought you can't change it if it has more then 60 miles on it, you need to get it reset

[8520]

There are two possible issues why your tachometer will not work
1. Early 2000 models don't have CAN-BUS wiring done , they started in late 2000, early 2001, the cluster you have has it , and there is no possibly to deactivate it


2. get yourself pin diagram for year 2000 and 2003 for instrument cluster and you need to compare blue and green connectors pin layout to see if all are identical, you might possibly need a pin or two to move

Also if there is mileage programmed on the cluster you bought you can't change it if it has more then 60 miles on it, you need to get it reset

1. I'll check my production date tomorrow.

2. Thoughts on where to get that? I can check alldata at work but their wiring information is hit and miss on what they have.

3. I was under the impression that mileage couldn't be reset after 100 miles, period. Can a dealership change mileage past 100 miles?

[brewmastr]

its a can issue, your pluggin a can instrument cluster into a non can car, hence its trying to communicate with all the control modules in the car over the can network and it can not, hence all the communication faults. sorry man, your screwed. bought the wrong cluster.

[8520]

LCD should still be the same though, I was just hoping I wouldn't have to desolder/solder them.

[brewmastr]

yeah thats a viable option, been needing to fix my lcd for awhile as well.

[audifirst]

1. I'll check my production date tomorrow.

2. Thoughts on where to get that? I can check alldata at work but their wiring information is hit and miss on what they have.

3. I was under the impression that mileage couldn't be reset after 100 miles, period. Can a dealership change mileage past 100 miles?

1.: check the year the car was build when you open the driver door it should be visible on the door pilar month / year
2: I might have it, I have to check it, alldata should have it, bentley does have wiring diagram
3: dealer will not reset the cluster, they only sell new or refurbished clusters. I hate to say it , if you don't have money get yourself from ebay vag commander from china some people had success resetting the mileage

If you have your original cluster and want the LCD replaced, there are companies who can get it replace for you, will be cheaper solution or if you have good soldering skills you can do it yourself you can buy LCD and replaced it yourself if you are not afraid, and you can move the front gauge plastic to your orginal and you can have these rings on your existing cluster, and sell the the cluster you bought..
When you buy cluster from newer vehicle and install to older year model , you will always run to some problem , some people get lucky because some models will have updated electronics and wiring, and some don't, there is a lot things that Audi changed between 1999 and 2001/2002 models, and stayed to the end

[8520]

The production date on my car is 10/99, for what its worth.

[audifirst]

I just checked the pin wiring between 2000 and 2001 + cars, and there are few differences , the RPM signal on on blue connector pin 11 it is all the same through out 2000+ cars, there is one pin on blue connector newer 2001 cluster pin 4 which is not used on 2000 car, on green connector I see 5 different pins that do not show on 2000, but are used on 2001 + cluster
it is hard to tell, either the cluster will not work with your car , or check the blue connector if all pins are fine, could be the cluster you bought has bad motor or some other electrical problems

[8520]

I just checked the pin wiring between 2000 and 2001 + cars, and there are few differences , the RPM signal on on blue connector pin 11 it is all the same through out 2000+ cars, there is one pin on blue connector newer 2001 cluster pin 4 which is not used on 2000 car, on green connector I see 5 different pins that do not show on 2000, but are used on 2001 + cluster
it is hard to tell, either the cluster will not work with your car , or check the blue connector if all pins are fine, could be the cluster you bought has bad motor or some other electrical problems

Thats just it, the cluster doesn't appear to have any problems, because if I perform the self tests on it, everything sweeps like it should.

pohsib, clear your inbox

[audifirst]

self test will always performed as it never nothing happens, it is not 100% sure , the test bypasses the direct connection from the connector to the motor itself, it is run through different processor..
When I do test I test direct connection from connector down to motor using different software that simulates car , anyway
I suspect that cluster is defective or compatibility is a issue here, the recoding will not change anything even I suspect it is programmed correctly
The cluster you have does it flash car with a key on tachometer around 6000 rpm when you turn the car on?
Post the error codes from instrument cluster , then we can check what might be an issue

[8520]

self test will always performed as it never nothing happens, it is not 100% sure , the test bypasses the direct connection from the connector to the motor itself, it is run through different processor..
When I do test I test direct connection from connector down to motor using different software that simulates car , anyway
I suspect that cluster is defective or compatibility is a issue here, the recoding will not change anything even I suspect it is programmed correctly
The cluster you have does it flash car with a key on tachometer around 6000 rpm when you turn the car on?
Post the error codes from instrument cluster , then we can check what might be an issue

The immobilizer light flashes, but I had already taped over the light behind the gauge face.

The error codes I have are listed above.

[audifirst]

The immobilizer light flashes, but I had already taped over the light behind the gauge face.

The error codes I have are listed above.

ok, the communication errors refers to CanBus not communicating with the rest of the car, so I have doubts that this cluster will work with your vehicle, your car is not fully wired for Canbus communication , your vehicle is early 2000 model so don't have other changes that were introduce in 2001 model, try to find identical year model cluster, without immobilizer

[8520]

Yeah, pohsib and I have been talking about this. He believes that some clusters are prepped for both K+ communication as well as can bus, whereas the cluster I purchased is canbus only. We're meeting up tomorrow to figure out a solution with an extra cluster he has

[8520]

For future reference, pohsib and I sort of figured out the swap. We ended up trading clusters because the one I purchased appeared to only have can bus communication (Cluster number was 4B0 920 983 EX) and we have to presume that "ex" clusters are can bus only. Also, using some extra software, we were able to change the odometer to the correct mileage.

Pohsib took a cluster from an 04 that he got to work just fine his 01 (?) A6 but his cluster number ended with an R.

He can correct me on this, but I believe the cluster I got from him is an "R" cluster which appears to be prepped for both Can bus and K line communication, but it does have an immobilizer light that will be need to be taped off if your car does not have one.

For what its worth the cluster I took out of my car was "4B0 920 980M" which is presumably a K line only cluster.

Hopefully this helps someone out down the road.

[audifirst]

if you see X at the end - means refurbished
the letter that you see at the end like A-Z are only re-vision identification, so if you had M and you got R means that cluster software has been upgraded/revised