Woohoo Stage II

[B7Blondie08]

Finally got my eurocode test pipe installed yesterday and the APR software flashed. I'm über excited about it. The power is defianatly noticable, and it sounds much meaner than with the AWE exhaust alone.

[Gmoney]

cool stage 2 is definitely way better than stage 1

[B7Blondie08]

Yup I'm getting there lol. Technically I'm still under warranty so that's it for awhile. Next year big turbo kit and a chip

[elwigglero]

The APR software is what people call a "chip"

[Insane_Audi]

Yup I'm getting there lol. Technically I'm still under warranty so that's it for awhile. Next year big turbo kit and a chip

i wouldnt get a tune or "chip" if you are going BT next year, kind of a waste of money

when you go BT you are going to need a tune anyway, unless you are going APR stage 3...and can get a discounted price on the flash

[event]

i wouldnt get a tune or "chip" if you are going BT next year, kind of a waste of money

when you go BT you are going to need a tune anyway, unless you are going APR stage 3...and can get a discounted price on the flash

If going S3 or stage 3 the flash is included with the kits.

[6speed4u]

I too am getting stage 2 today!! just put last bolt in TP, showered and off to Sanford Fl to get flashed..... Will post thoughts after I get back, 35 min drive to on stage 1, 35 min drive home stage 2, we will see how it feels........

[event]

I too am getting stage 2 today!! just put last bolt in TP, showered and off to Sanford Fl to get flashed..... Will post thoughts after I get back, 35 min drive to on stage 1, 35 min drive home stage 2, we will see how it feels........

The flash only gets rid of a cel, so don't expect any increase in power, honestly if you have and O2 spacer I would wait till you go stage II+ before wasting the gas and time.

[Insane_Audi]

If going S3 or stage 3 the flash is included with the kits.

exactly what i said...

[Insane_Audi]

The flash only gets rid of a cel, so don't expect any increase in power, honestly if you have and O2 spacer I would wait till you go stage II+ before wasting the gas and time.

so you are saying there is no increase in power from stage 1 to stage 2?...you are incorrect

[billyhoyle]

^^ I think he's saying that he won't see a power increase on the drive home from getting it flashed.

[event]

exactly what i said...

You said unless you can get a discounted price, implying that a separate cost would be incurred, well unless you meant getting money back then that makes sense...

so you are saying there is no increase in power from stage 1 to stage 2?...you are incorrect

Two in a row huh... I said he wouldn't get an increase from the flash, it only removes a cel, all the increase is from the pipe, which he already has.

[B7Blondie08]

The APR software is what people call a "chip"

^^ lol thanks for setting me straight!

[Insane_Audi]

You said unless you can get a discounted price, implying that a separate cost would be incurred, dot, dot, dot.



Two in a row huh... I said he wouldn't get an increase from the flash, it only removes a cel, all the increase is from the pipe, which he already has.

there is a seperate cost chief, it is not the same cost that the stage 1 and 2 flash costs, there is a higher price for the stage 3 tune, dot, dot, dot.

misunderstood the stage 2 part...most tuners do have a more aggressive stage 2 file, idk about for our cars however

[event]

there is a seperate cost chief, it is not the same cost that the stage 1 and 2 flash costs, there is a higher price for the stage 3 tune, dot, dot, dot.

misunderstood the stage 2 part...most tuners do have a more aggressive stage 2 file, idk about for our cars however

I edited my post after thinking about it, but you already replied [.][.][.]

APR doesn't, REVO does have an increase for Stage 2, not sure about others though.

[Insane_Audi]

I edited my post after thinking about it, but you already replied [.][.][.]

APR doesn't, REVO does have an increase for Stage 2, not sure about others though.

glad we are on the same page ;)

[vbrad26]

i honestly didnt feel much of a difference from stage 1 to 2...
(APR with VMR TP)

[Insane_Audi]

i honestly didnt feel much of a difference from stage 1 to 2...
(APR with VMR TP)

im sure throttle response increased quite a bit, as well as your motor flowing 10x better now

[jmars]

I just went Stg2 about 2 weeks ago and I 100% agree with the above. My air flow seems that much better, spooling quicker and the butt dyno approves! I went the HFC route though with a O2 spacer b/c I have GIAC....no cel

[airbornerifleman]

Someone correct me if i'm wrong. APR stage 1 is just the basic tune (91,93,100 OCT), APR stage 2 in to get rid of the CEL when installing a TP or HFC. What hardware is required to go APR stage 2+?

[Operator]

Required Hardware APR FSI High Pressure Fuel Pump
Recommended Hardware APR Testpipe, APR/Carbonio Intake & APR Catback Exhaust

[jimrobbington]

It's so funny how the "stage 2 doesn't do anything" argument comes up daily. From all arguments I have read, and from my own experience, this is how it goes.

APR STG 2: Does absolutely nothing except remove the CEL caused by a TP

REVO STG 2: Definately is more aggressive than stage 1, I received about 15 HP.

Unitronic: All stages are fairly custom, so it is always worth upgrading the software when hardware is upgraded

All other software: blows.

[event]

Haha, yeah I think it's mostly wishful thinking because APR stage II (HFC or test pipe) doesn't feel all that amazing compared to just having the Stage I flash with no bolt-ons, especially after all the research you do and seeing the rave reviews before getting to stage II. Some people have very sensitive butt dynos.

[elwigglero]

Haha, yeah I think it's mostly wishful thinking because APR stage II (HFC or text pipe) doesn't feel all that amazing compared to just having the Stage I flash with no bolt-ons, especially after all the research you do and seeing the rave reviews before getting to stage II. Some people have very sensitive butt dynos.

Stage 2+ is a nice increase over stage 2 though. Definitely worth while to get the upgraded hpfp and hpfp software update.

[event]

Stage 2+ is a nice increase over stage 2 though. Definitely worth while to get the upgraded hpfp and hpfp software update.

That's what I'm banking on and it's next on my list after installing my FMIC. I'm just not sure if I should go APR rebuild (F revision pump) or get a new revision pump and do the KDM rebuild. Would cost the same.

[mr shickadance]

It's so funny how the "stage 2 doesn't do anything" argument comes up daily. From all arguments I have read, and from my own experience, this is how it goes.

APR STG 2: Does absolutely nothing except remove the CEL caused by a TP

REVO STG 2: Definately is more aggressive than stage 1, I received about 15 HP.

Unitronic: All stages are fairly custom, so it is always worth upgrading the software when hardware is upgraded

All other software: blows.

best said ^

[Insane_Audi]

^giac?

[jimrobbington]

^giac?

I have never really heard good things about GIAC, and I never had a good experience with them. I included them with "all other software" category. As far as I know, they have nothing really as far as BT, or fine tuning when upgrades are done.

I blew two turbos on GIAC in my 1.8t Jetta. Blew the stock one at 50k miles about 2-3k after I got the GIAC tune, then blew the new turbo about 3-4k later. Switched to REVO and have been happy ever since.

[mkunert]

when you go BT you are going to need a tune anyway, unless you are going APR stage 3...and can get a discounted price on the flash

APR told me specifically there is no discount on the stage 3 tune/package if you already have the stage 2 tune. So much for customer loyalty. Although it does let you shop other options, as they don't incent you to go with their K04 setup.

[Insane_Audi]

APR told me specifically there is no discount on the stage 3 tune/package if you already have the stage 2 tune. So much for customer loyalty. Although it does let you shop other options, as they don't incent you to go with their K04 setup.

i guess i worded that wrong, i meant they charge more for their gt28 file than their stage 1 and 2 files..i meant discounted as in a smaller charge than doing the BT file straight from stock

its about 950 for their stg 3 tune: 950-0=950 dollars

600 for stage 1 and 2: 950-600=350

thats what i meant in discounted

just clarifying cuz you are the second person who misunderstood what i was saying

[mkunert]

Ah. Got it. Thanks.

[jmars]

GIAC.........has been trouble free for 22K. In AWE & GIAC I trust!

[deeznuts]

i didnt like the reviews for the b7 on GIAC either, but my buddy who's had a half dozen heavily modded porsche's swears by GIAC...i guess im happy with APR, but my gut tells me REVO would have been the better alternative.

[PeteStiv7]

Im running the exact same setup as you. Test Pipe, AWE cat back exhaust and Stage II APR (i got DV and air filter as well). I love the power I gained from the tune and new sound of exhaust.

[rkesh88]

I will hopefully be in that position soon enough, Im waiting on my HFC and AWE exhaust soon, then the HPFP by thanksgiving.

[jmars]

I've had nothing but positive experiences with GIAC.........Tyrol Sport is a GIAC dealer... between them and AWE thats enough for me. I'd go Unitronic if I did if again though

[VegasAIV]

I'M GIAC with APR HPFP, A/W chargecooler, gutted stock cat thats 2.5 to turbo and 3" all the back from there to 3" DP and 3" exhaust. and I can honestly say that my car is ALOT faster from II to II+. gauge shows that i boost at about 18-20 and hold 19 solid, colder weather gives me 20+ holding boost. Now im saying saying that my a4 is fast as all hell, but it is definately a quicker car.

[VegasAIV]

and unitronic stgII+ needs 93 octane or higher to run it

[Insane_Audi]

I'M GIAC with APR HPFP, A/W chargecooler, gutted stock cat thats 2.5 to turbo and 3" all the back from there to 3" DP and 3" exhaust. and I can honestly say that my car is ALOT faster from II to II+. gauge shows that i boost at about 18-20 and hold 19 solid, colder weather gives me 20+ holding boost. Now im saying saying that my a4 is fast as all hell, but it is definately a quicker car.

do you have any videos of your exhaust..i want to go 3" all the way through, but kind of wondering what it will sound like

[VegasAIV]