Guess what? I'm an idiot and this thread prooves it!

[GA42.0T]

NOTE: The following idiotic things were posted by me yesterday. It has since become clear to me that I was all wholely incorrect and out of line, and that I am at best guilty of posting hastily and without knowledge or at worst an irate, unreasonable, retarded lunitic. I accept this and beg forgiveness of fellow forum members as well as all dealership service departments everywhere. I love my car and the cars of all forum members, and I hope that we can put this embarassing thread behind us and start talking about neat stuff again.

Sincerely,
GA42.0T

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Took my car in to the dealer for Audicare 25K service last week. Got it back and they were all smiles. Everything looking good!

Right, if you don't bother to LOOK.

First, the part that's mearly annoying. What's missing from this picture?


If you gussed the battery cover and the cover for whatever resavoir that is next to the battery, then YOU ARE BETTER THAN A FACTORY TRAINED DEALERSHIP TECH! Star for you.


Now to the part that pisses me the fuck off. What's included here that shouldn't be?


If you guessed a fucking valve cover bolt SWINNING IN A POOL OF ENGINE OIL, along side a stupidly obvious spatter of oil everywhere, then guess what. YOU ARE BETTER THAN A FACTORY TRAINED DEALERSHIP TECH!

Piece of shit. I'm going back this week and getting new battery and whatever resavoir covers. Oh, and demanding they repalce whatever seals are needed to stop that oil leak, and that the CLEAN the engine. Pretty sure it's not designed to have engine oil on the outside.

[manhertm]

Who said it's a leak, it could be from them doing an oil change. I spill some oil there sometimes when filling. The battery cover is a stupid mistake, but shit happens. I don't see why your so pissed go back and get the tray cover, I'm sure they still have it. While your there have them clean your engine bay, if the it shows signs of leaking from the valve cover after,well you can contact them if they did any work with the valve cover.

[KevinA41.8T]

um, your a retard you never had a cover over the battery.

please do your car a favor and don't open the hood anymore

[manhertm]

um, your a retard you never had a cover over the battery.

please do your car a favor and don't open the hood anymore

Let's not get into name calling, there is a cover that goes over that section.

[kovachian]

Frustration over a missing rear compartment cover I can completely understand, you have every right to be miffed over that (assuming your car had one to begin with? Sounds dumb I know, but not all A4s came with them). However, I'm guessing that discovering this potential goof-up put you in the mindset to nitpick over stupid shit; hence you finding an eensy weensy miniscule collection of oil that you consider a "POOL OF ENGINE OIL", and now you're "demanding they replace whatever seals are needed to stop that oil leak" that I'll assume you conveniently neglected to diagnose. While they're at it, should they jiggle your balls while you wait?

It's unreasonable and irate lunatics like yourself that make me glad I got out of the industry. Take the car back and have them rectify the situation, absolutely. But don't give the dealer a reason to smite you.

[GA42.0T]

Who said it's a leak, it could be from them doing an oil change. I spill some oil there sometimes when filling.

The back right valve cover bolt is sitting in a pool of oil. The oil fill cap is front and center. How the hell is a little spilled oil going to get back to that one spot and soak it. Also, the entire valve cover gasket is juicy wet with oil. I know shit happens. But there's a difference between shit happens (which is forgetting to put back on a battery cover), and then there's not doing your fucking job, which is to inspect the car for problems. Like, oh, I don't know, engine oil all over the place. Audi can stand there and say they're top notch luxery car and then say, "Oh, my bad. Our service department really is worth $80 an hour, we just forgot to replace your batter cover and didn't notice all that oil on the outside of your engine."

um, your a retard you never had a cover over the battery.

please do your car a favor and don't open the hood anymore

Dude, you need to check yourself before calling someone something like that. Maybe YOUR car never had one, but mine did. Why don't you do me a favor and spare me your opinions.

[GA42.0T]

[QUOTE=kovachian;5716965]It's unreasonable and irate lunatics like yourself that make me glad I got out of the industry. [QUOTE]

I'm neither irate, unreasonable nor a lunatic. I'm ranting an a forum. That's what this place is for. You don't know what I'm like when I talk to my service rep. I'm very polite and nonconfrontational and always get FAIR results for both parties. Even when I get the short end of the stick.

But I respectfully disagree that it's no big deal for a bolt sitting down in a 1/2" recession to have oil up to the lip of that recession. As I said, it's not designed to have oil on the outside. Maybe your car does and you don't care, but my car is 5 months old, bought CPO and has 28K miles on it. You can't convince me that this is normal or me just "nitpicking over stupid shit."

[KevinA41.8T]

Dude, you need to check yourself before calling someone something like that. Maybe YOUR car never had one, but mine did. Why don't you do me a favor and spare me your opinions.

so the tech chopped it in half and left just the piece over the cabin air filter? I don't think so. you never had a full cover.

[Leo14]

I'm confused as to why they would do this. If you know you had something there previously, do they think that you wouldn't find out it is missing?

[manhertm]

The back right valve cover bolt is sitting in a pool of oil. The oil fill cap is front and center. How the hell is a little spilled oil going to get back to that one spot and soak it. Also, the entire valve cover gasket is juicy wet with oil. I know shit happens. But there's a difference between shit happens (which is forgetting to put back on a battery cover), and then there's not doing your fucking job, which is to inspect the car for problems. Like, oh, I don't know, engine oil all over the place. Audi can stand there and say they're top notch luxery car and then say, "Oh, my bad. Our service department really is worth $80 an hour, we just forgot to replace your batter cover and didn't notice all that oil on the outside of your engine."





Dude, you need to check yourself before calling someone something like that. Maybe YOUR car never had one, but mine did. Why don't you do me a favor and spare me your opinions.

Well, give us an update tommorrow, I'm curious to see what the dealership has to say. Out of curiosity what maintenance did they perform, it should say on your service bill?

[kovachian]

If you're not a raving lunatic then fair enough, I'll retract my remark there. BUT...if you're going to demand that they just rip your engine apart and replace seal after seal after seal all for an oil leak that you've yet to prove is there, then that is factually unreasonable. Let the techs prove/disprove the oil leak, because jumping to conclusions rarely works out. They need to clean all traces of oil on exterior surfaces, then if more oil magically pops up, you'll have an oil leak at which point your dealer should remedy.

Or another shop, but that's just me. I'll rot in my grave before I pay dealership rates on anything I can do myself.

[cheemn]

ok this makes no sense when I see a cover on the cabin air filter that is present on A4's that dont have the entire rear engine compartment cover.?????

[GA42.0T]

Well, give us an update tommorrow, I'm curious to see what the dealership has to say. Out of curiosity what maintenance did they perform, it should say on your service bill?

Standard 25K service. Not a major one, but you'd think, ... well, I'd think they'd at least visibly scan the engine bay for any issues. Which this seems to me to be. I could be wrong.

If you're not a raving lunatic then fair enough, I'll retract my remark there. BUT...if you're going to demand that they just rip your engine apart and replace seal after seal after seal all for an oil leak that you've yet to prove is there, then that is factually unreasonable. Let the techs prove/disprove the oil leak, because jumping to conclusions rarely works out. They need to clean all traces of oil on exterior surfaces, then if more oil magically pops up, you'll have an oil leak at which point your dealer should remedy.

Or another shop, but that's just me. I'll rot in my grave before I pay dealership rates on anything I can do myself.

You are correct. I did use the word "demand," and perhaps that was too dramatic. That's a strong word that I would never use in person with any service provider - "I demand that you rah ha ha... grrahrr...."

I'm certainly not claiming to know more than the techs as to what is or isn't the problem or how to fix it. I'm just saying it looks like an obvious problem to me, and that it seems like something a trained tech who takes pride in his work would notice. If they come back and say my Flux Capacitor blew a seal from the Johnson Rod, but they fixed it, I'll say think you very much, see you for my 35K service.

[GA42.0T]

so the tech chopped it in half and left just the piece over the cabin air filter? I don't think so. you never had a full cover.

I am developmentally challanged and will do Kevin and my car a favor and not open the hood anymore.

I am also till stark raving batshit lunitic Hulk Smash implacably furious about the 3 mililiters of oil on my engine. Even if it is only conola oil from the chicken I fried using heat from the turbo.

[LERecords]

well.. still give an update on what the dealer has to say.. i agree that they should do good work, but i dont know if i would have my "dealer" clean my engine bay rather than me doing it right myself.. as for the cover, i never had one, but if yours came with it, i would just ask for it back... hey they tech could have been having a bad day and got lazy.. thats no excuse for him, but if you nicely go talk to the service manager, explain what you think was wrong, they are far more likely to take care of the problems... good luck...

[GA42.0T]

well.. still give an update on what the dealer has to say.. i agree that they should do good work, but i dont know if i would have my "dealer" clean my engine bay rather than me doing it right myself.. as for the cover, i never had one, but if yours came with it, i would just ask for it back... hey they tech could have been having a bad day and got lazy.. thats no excuse for him, but if you nicely go talk to the service manager, explain what you think was wrong, they are far more likely to take care of the problems... good luck...

Yeah, I hear you. No, Kevin was accurate, I'm developmentally challanged. My car did NOT come with a battery cover, so I owe the universe and unknown tech an apology there. My bad, dude.

As for the oil I see, I'll just point it out and explain that that oil doesn't seem to be where it should and because of where it is, seems like the only way it could have gotten there is to come from inside the engine - seeing as it's a pretty good ways away from the oil fill cap, and the area between the oil fill cap and the soupy part is free from oil (except for the gasket, which is pretty wet too.)

If there IS a leak someplase as I suspect, then I'd expect it to be repaired and cleaned. I'll let you know what they say.

[excelb7]

Sorry about your battery cover, but I'm pretty confident that the dealership will take care of the problem. As for the oil, it doesn't seem too bad from the picture. Your car is under warranty, so you have nothing to worry about. Usually if the the oil leak is not bad to where it is causing damage the dealer will not tell you of the problem unless you complain about it. Sounds bad I know, but it is common procedure. In the end they will take care of it if complain about it. Good luck.

[Con]

Well when I took my car in for 35k service, they conveniently didn't change the oil and apparently never put it in the system that they did the 35k service even though I had a printed service receipt with it done.

[denytuesday]

There is never a problem that lolcats can't solve.

[STONER]

Some of the b7's came with the split cowl cover. I believe yours only came with the partial due to how the pollen filter cover is. Also if your car is under warranty many dealerships wont say o hey look your valve cover gaskets are leaking. It can get them in trouble with warranty.

Yes they should of made it look like no one was ever there. Don't forget the techs at dealerships are human too. Just like you they look forward to the weekends and getting home to their families. Sorry you had a somewhat bad experience. I am sure it will all be taken care in a satisfactory manor.

[XCELR8]

God I'd hate to be your dealership if you're that po'd about that little bit of oil. Yeesh....

[naiku]

My car did NOT come with a battery cover, so I owe the universe and unknown tech an apology there. My bad, dude.

I never had a battery cover on mine, but last time it was at the dealer they made a note that the battery cover was missing. Until the picture in this thread I kept wondering what was missing. Maybe they wrote battery cover missing somewhere on your paperwork as well.

[beantown]

The cowl w/ the battery cover is one piece that spans across from end to end. The part in the picture is completely different since it is independent. I had to remove it when installing the full cowl.

Are these even pictures of the same car? The labels circled are in different locations:

[bskis1080]

yea according to the picture youre also missing that crappy plastic cover on the right from ecstuning. I guess the dealer took that too. o crap they replaced your coolant reservoir with a bigger one too. You better exchange a few choice words with them.

[Sprode]

The back right valve cover bolt is sitting in a pool of oil. The oil fill cap is front and center. How the hell is a little spilled oil going to get back to that one spot and soak it. Also, the entire valve cover gasket is juicy wet with oil. I know shit happens. But there's a difference between shit happens (which is forgetting to put back on a battery cover), and then there's not doing your fucking job, which is to inspect the car for problems. Like, oh, I don't know, engine oil all over the place. Audi can stand there and say they're top notch luxery car and then say, "Oh, my bad. Our service department really is worth $80 an hour, we just forgot to replace your batter cover and didn't notice all that oil on the outside of your engine."





Dude, you need to check yourself before calling someone something like that. Maybe YOUR car never had one, but mine did. Why don't you do me a favor and spare me your opinions.

Wow I want one of those. My car definitely did not have one.

PS My dealership had my car 4 different times over 6 weeks total and still couldn't figure out a problem which ended up being that I needed new spark plugs.

[beantown]

Wow I want one of those. My car definitely did not have one.

ECS has them on sale: http://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B7_A4-...Covers/ES6771/

[XCELR8]

It's not an oe cover. I can see if you're mad about them taking the one you bought aftermarket, but the car didn't come with one.

[GA42.0T]

PS My dealership had my car 4 different times over 6 weeks total and still couldn't figure out a problem which ended up being that I needed new spark plugs.

Wow. I would have been slightly miffed by that.

It's not an oe cover. I can see if you're mad about them taking the one you bought aftermarket, but the car didn't come with one.

No, I offered mea culpa ealier. Jumped the gun on that one. "My car did NOT come with a battery cover, so I owe the universe and unknown tech an apology there. My bad, dude."

[mr shickadance]

I'm very polite and nonconfrontational and always get FAIR results for both parties. Even when I get the short end of the stick.

this made me laugh

and then you saying you would be slightly miffed about the spark plug thing too....i mean they left essentially a bottle cap of oil on a valve cranny and you almost went catatonic....i can only imagine how explosive you might get at your spark plugs being misdiagnosed. i'm sorry but its just looking like you had a bad day and are looking to take it out on some poor audi tech and the battery cover thing totally supports my thoughts i mean you would have had to order the tray cover and install it yourself or bring it to a place to get it installed which i think might store it in your memory. then to flip out like that about the tray cover and post pictures directly from the ecs website and not from your own thing just makes it even worse.

sorry man but you are out of line in both points even as we type i have a little oil in one of those crevices near the oil cap from where i spilt a little oil doing my oil change....you know how hard it is to get that oil from that crevice?....lemme put it this way its still there.

[GA42.0T]

this made me laugh

and then you saying you would be slightly miffed about the spark plug thing too....i mean they left essentially a bottle cap of oil on a valve cranny and you almost went catatonic....i can only imagine how explosive you might get at your spark plugs being misdiagnosed. i'm sorry but its just looking like you had a bad day and are looking to take it out on some poor audi tech and the battery cover thing totally supports my thoughts i mean you would have had to order the tray cover and install it yourself or bring it to a place to get it installed which i think might store it in your memory. then to flip out like that about the tray cover and post pictures directly from the ecs website and not from your own thing just makes it even worse.

sorry man but you are out of line in both points even as we type i have a little oil in one of those crevices near the oil cap from where i spilt a little oil doing my oil change....you know how hard it is to get that oil from that crevice?....lemme put it this way its still there.

OK. I fully admit it. I was out of line with both points of this thread. To be clear though, I was ranting here. I never called and yelled at anyone at dealership. I did call and make an appointment for what looks to me like excessive oil outside the engine and asked them to take a look.

I have already admitted here twice that I was wrong about the battery cover thing and apologized to the universe, karma and the theoretical tech who I never actually spoke to much less yelled at.

The consenus also seems to be that it's perfectly reasonable for the the crevices to be filled with oil. It seems odd to me that the crevice farthest away from the oil cap is filled with oil while none of the others are. Seems like spilled oil would be in one of the crevices right next to the oil cap, not the back right one. But I could be wrong.

[LERecords]

keep an eye on your oil levels... that might give you some insight if there is a leak somewhere. our cars burn oil, but if your constantly putting in a quart here and there, then i would take it to the dealer to have them look at it.. hey man, we all get pissy from time to time.. i hear you on the rant, cuz we all like to do that to.. good luck with the ride..

[GA42.0T]

keep an eye on your oil levels... that might give you some insight if there is a leak somewhere. our cars burn oil, but if your constantly putting in a quart here and there, then i would take it to the dealer to have them look at it.. hey man, we all get pissy from time to time.. i hear you on the rant, cuz we all like to do that to.. good luck with the ride..

Thanks man.

[mr shickadance]

the cause of the oil is most likely because of a shotty PCV valve.....in your picture where it shows the oil, right next to the screw that has the oil in it is the PCV valve it is a common fault on our cars and it wouldn't be unreasonable to ask a tech to look into it. the only thing that makes me think it might not be your PCV valve is that most people experience a performance loss or a boost leak because of it in addition to oil in the valve covers

look into it but thankfully its not the worst thing that can go wrong with your car

[GA42.0T]

the cause of the oil is most likely because of a shotty PCV valve.....in your picture where it shows the oil, right next to the screw that has the oil in it is the PCV valve it is a common fault on our cars and it wouldn't be unreasonable to ask a tech to look into it. the only thing that makes me think it might not be your PCV valve is that most people experience a performance loss or a boost leak because of it in addition to oil in the valve covers

look into it but thankfully its not the worst thing that can go wrong with your car

Cool. Thanks for the insight. Coincidentally, I was actually about to put in the BHS PCV fix when I discovered the oil. That'd be funny if it was a bad PCV. Thanks again.

[mr shickadance]

do the bhs catch can instead of the fix its the best way to prevent carbon buildup on valves the bhs budget fix doesn;t protect against that and its only like 100 more i think

[kaklexicon]

I would keep the stock PCV valve on for when you're taking it back. My friend had an oil leak and took it to the shop and they wouldn't even look at it until he removed the BSH and put the stock one back on. But it all depents on how mod-friendly your shop is.

[SEXICÄN]

um, your a retard you never had a cover over the battery.

please do your car a favor and don't open the hood anymore

so the tech chopped it in half and left just the piece over the cabin air filter? I don't think so. you never had a full cover.

This thread made me laugh....

Imagine if he was actually at the dealership and you KNOW he would have never agreed with the dealership if they told him his car never game with the battery cover... I bet he would have shot up the place for him thinking they were calling him a liar....

[GA42.0T]

Guess what? I'm an idiot and this thread prooves it!

NOTE: The above idiotic things were posted by me yesterday. It has since become clear to me that I was all wholely incorrect and out of line, and that I am at best guilty of posting hastily and without knowledge or at worst an irate, unreasonable, retarded lunitic. I accept this and beg forgiveness of fellow forum members as well as all dealership service departments everywhere. I love my car and the cars of all forum members, and I hope that we can put this embarassing thread behind us and start talking about neat stuff again.

Sincerely,
GA42.0T

[manhertm]

[mr shickadance]

today, redemption is spelled GA42.0T