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    Intakes, intakes, intakes! AIR BOX, AIR BOX!

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    This thread is for information only. To help show some that might not know more about there stock Air box. I like the air box but am always open to finding one more piece that will help make performance. This is more to show some of the features of the air box and not an endorsement for one or the other. Because I don't have an open element on my car I can only use the referenced from what I have seen and experienced

    So along with all the drama with intakes and Air boxes. I thought I would shed some light on the air box and what it looks like if you have the Flapper.

    The flapper appears to come form the 2005+ model. Some small group of 04's have them.

    The flapper is a extra hole on the bottom of the air box that opens at higher RPM to allow in more air. This shows that piece and the system that goes with it.

    As a side note to this. Although the 04's didn't come with the Flapper they have the Vacuum power system already in place. This is Odd cause where there is a Vac line on the 05's there is the same place and parts on a 04. Its just caped off. Almost like they knew in 04 they were going to do this but waited till they were out of the other Air boxes before they switched over. Audi common will put in parts and run .5 model years to install the upgraded parts

    So lets look at what you are or are not missing in your air box

    First All the B6/7's should have this. Its behind your front fog light or trim cover. It is a shroud that directs the air to the Aux rad and in this case helps direct air twords the scoop



    This next one shows how the shroud goes right into the Aux Rad and the scoop up top



    Now we see the scoop for the air to feed the tube to the air box. Its in the top of the Pic you will see I pushed it out form the actual position to expose it. Normally it is at the point where the shroud come to a point as to access LOTS of the air from the shroud




    This pic is a little harder to see what is going on cause I didn't expose the top fully. But you will see the back side of the Aux Rad and then you will see the open face of the tube coming form the scoop to the air box



    This next pix is the bottom of the air box and the opening for the air delivery system we showed the pics of. If you have a 04 then you probably don't have this. If you have a 05+ and you pull it out you might see there is a small flap inside the opening. This flap has been removed



    Now for the Last pic. This dose not have anything to do with the flapper or that part of the air system. It dose still have to do with the air box. You will see a part in the air box called a Bell mouth. THIS IS A VERY important piece. This bell mouth helps align the air flow for proper air flow into and past the MAF. This is something missing from most open element intakes.



    My 02.
    The stock air box has a good amount of air going to it already. The flapper mod helped me see even more air past the MAF then before. So for me Im looking into making a better RAM set up using some of the already in place parts from the Flapper system.

    For me with the fact that the RS4 uses the same filter as us is a good sign that we should be good with the stock air box. Although there are lots of ideas out there. The bell mouth and the already in place air systems the stock air box look like that is a good platform already. Im just going to see how modding the air box further will possibly help performance.
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    And lastly for the grammar police that are bound to step in
    I came here from Germany in the 6th grade. I could not read or write a lick of English. I am working to get better. Thanks and sorry. I always try to edit my posts for the best grammar and easiest reading.

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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    Quote Originally Posted by Justincredible View Post
    This next pix is the bottom of the air box and the opening for the air delivery system we showed the pics of. If you have a 04 then you probably don't have this. If you have a 05+ and you pull it out you might see there is a small flap inside the opening. This flap has been removed


    When i changed my OE filter i just took the top of the box off removed the old filter and dropped the new one in. I also cleaned out the snow filter.

    Are you saying that because i have an 04 there is no flapper their? Just curious because i keep reading/hearing about the flapper mod and planned on pulling my box out in the future to do it. Are you saying there is no need to do so?

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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    Quote Originally Posted by ...Mark... View Post
    When i changed my OE filter i just took the top of the box off removed the old filter and dropped the new one in. I also cleaned out the snow filter.

    Are you saying that because i have an 04 there is no flapper their? Just curious because i keep reading/hearing about the flapper mod and planned on pulling my box out in the future to do it. Are you saying there is no need to do so?

    The 04's didn't seem to come with the extra flapper option. When you pulled out the filter you should have seen this in the bottom of the air box. Or you can just look to see if you have a tube connecting to the bottom of your air box.



    In the end the flapper is just One more source of air. The flapper with the flapper mod did increase the MAF readings thus showing more air was available
    If you don't have haters, then you're not kicking enough ass.

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    And lastly for the grammar police that are bound to step in
    I came here from Germany in the 6th grade. I could not read or write a lick of English. I am working to get better. Thanks and sorry. I always try to edit my posts for the best grammar and easiest reading.

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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    Thanks for the write-up. Didn't realize it had that much involved int he process.
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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    Quote Originally Posted by ...Mark... View Post
    Are you saying that because i have an 04 there is no flapper their?
    What's your build date? Mine is 12/03 and I don't have it.
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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    Hi Justin

    From what I can gather from your post I assume there isnt any filter on the lower scoop?

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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    No air filter on the lower scoop
    If you don't have haters, then you're not kicking enough ass.

    JHM powered 12.2 On the JHM Tune With Launch Assist for the Automatic JHM Nitrous kit/JHM headers all this in a Automatic.

    And lastly for the grammar police that are bound to step in
    I came here from Germany in the 6th grade. I could not read or write a lick of English. I am working to get better. Thanks and sorry. I always try to edit my posts for the best grammar and easiest reading.

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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    Quote Originally Posted by 40valve View Post
    What's your build date? Mine is 12/03 and I don't have it.
    I think mine is about the same. Looks like the early production cars both have no flapper & krazy glue holding their badges on.

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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    Quote Originally Posted by Justincredible View Post
    The 04's didn't seem to come with the extra flapper option. When you pulled out the filter you should have seen this in the bottom of the air box. Or you can just look to see if you have a tube connecting to the bottom of your air box.



    In the end the flapper is just One more source of air. The flapper with the flapper mod did increase the MAF readings thus showing more air was available
    Thanks for the pic.. Next time i am in there i will take a look.

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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    Quote Originally Posted by ...Mark... View Post
    I think mine is about the same. Looks like the early production cars both have no flapper & krazy glue holding their badges on.
    YA its bad :( LOL J/K

    On the good side I don't think you have the coolant going threw the intake elbow either. Or the heat resistant coating on the bottom of the intake manifold or...or..LOL
    If you don't have haters, then you're not kicking enough ass.

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    And lastly for the grammar police that are bound to step in
    I came here from Germany in the 6th grade. I could not read or write a lick of English. I am working to get better. Thanks and sorry. I always try to edit my posts for the best grammar and easiest reading.

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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    thanks for taking the time to do this and post it up.

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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    Quote Originally Posted by Justincredible View Post
    YA its bad :( LOL J/K

    On the good side I don't think you have the coolant going threw the intake elbow either.
    You are correct sir.
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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    There seems to be a cut off date wise for the elbow and the air box. But I don't know how to go about finding that out. I have seen several guys with the elbow in 04 that HAVE the bypass. But the air box is still a tough one to pin down
    If you don't have haters, then you're not kicking enough ass.

    JHM powered 12.2 On the JHM Tune With Launch Assist for the Automatic JHM Nitrous kit/JHM headers all this in a Automatic.

    And lastly for the grammar police that are bound to step in
    I came here from Germany in the 6th grade. I could not read or write a lick of English. I am working to get better. Thanks and sorry. I always try to edit my posts for the best grammar and easiest reading.

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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    Quote Originally Posted by Justincredible View Post
    There seems to be a cut off date wise for the elbow and the air box. But I don't know how to go about finding that out. I have seen several guys with the elbow in 04 that HAVE the bypass. But the air box is still a tough one to pin down
    Pretty sure Jay @ JHM was collecting that data. Not sure what he came up with.
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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    Thanks for the thread justincredible

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    Re: Intakes,intakes,intakes. AIR BOX AIR BOX

    Quote Originally Posted by 40valve View Post
    Pretty sure Jay @ JHM was collecting that data. Not sure what he came up with.
    Ill E mail them and see if they are ok with letting us know what they found out

    Quote Originally Posted by cabracco85 View Post
    Thanks for the thread justincredible
    YA I figured with all the open element talk score one for the air box talk LOL
    If you don't have haters, then you're not kicking enough ass.

    JHM powered 12.2 On the JHM Tune With Launch Assist for the Automatic JHM Nitrous kit/JHM headers all this in a Automatic.

    And lastly for the grammar police that are bound to step in
    I came here from Germany in the 6th grade. I could not read or write a lick of English. I am working to get better. Thanks and sorry. I always try to edit my posts for the best grammar and easiest reading.

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    Thanks for all those information posted here about the air box. Even though I'm not asking, my question is answered. Thanks a lot. :D

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