Slipping tires on a quattro car?

[Nght&Day-B8]

Ok so i was driving around this morning showing the sound of my new AWE exhaust to someone, and i did a pull from first gear (i was already rolling) and i got the traction light to flash. I dont think im making THAT much power where a quattro will slip the tires, but could it be the tranny slipping that would cause a traction light to appear? Im not really sure what it could of been since im not positive if my tires slipped or not.. im just worried it wasnt the tranny

[toaster]

i don't see how that could be transmission related.

maybe there was something slick on the road?

how old are your tires? crappy tires will give you no traction, no matter what.

[ItsDubC]

Could've been a small rock or road imperfection. Are you able to reproduce it?

[Nght&Day-B8]

Tires are new tires from when i bought the car from the dealer. I havnt tried to reproduce it, i wanted to take it easy until i found out if the traction light would flash due to tranny slipping.

[DavidB8]

I have it happen all the time, but with the chip and everything else I know I am breaking them loose even if the ESP jumps in and stops me from feeling or continuing it.

[Jacon]

I get the light occasionally when I'm launching from a light

[Nght&Day-B8]

You guys are both quattro? I guess it was normal even for a quattro..

[DavidB8]

They come non quattro? Blasphemy... Hehe... Just kidding but yes I have Quattro.

[VMRWheels]

get some sticky summer perf tires! that'll solve your problem

[hoppy6698]

I've lifted my pirellis a number of times. Can't wait to get some PS2s.

[NPuter]

They come non quattro? Blasphemy... Hehe... Just kidding but yes I have Quattro.

i can slip my tires even without WOT...
that being said, I really enjoy the acceleration with FWD...

[nickg]

I had the same problem of traction light flashing all of a sudden even on straight road, turns out I had a faulty ABS or something inside it was loose, in any case warranty covered it all

[jdogg]

i can slip my tires even without WOT...
that being said, I really enjoy the acceleration with FWD...

Ya but can u go in the snow, hell no! lol
You still are are fast though.

[ACowabunga]

I know there have been times when I haven't let my tires get warmed up and I get too aggressive with turns that I can normally take at speed. There was a couple of instances this past winter where the temp had come down and I was accelerating from a rolling stop into a gradual right hand turn and onto the highway on-ramp. The car's tail came around and the traction light was flashing as I slowed my acceleration and managed the slight slide. This happened with tires that were less than 5000 miles old, non-freezing temps (approx low-40's), Quattro, and a sports differential. I wouldn't worry about it. Some tire slip is acceptable at times if you're being aggressive with the throttle or any number of road hazard situations that usually exist.

[Okan509]

I get the ESP light all the time off the line. and when there is a dip or rock or sand on the road, it also happens. Very normal thing, and it is a very sensitive feature. It detects minimal slippage.

[NPuter]

Ya but can u go in the snow, hell no! lol
You still are are fast though.

If it snows where I live, I think were all in trouble
If I lived in a an area with any kind of traditional winter, I would have for sure gotten quattro...

To clarify, does the ESP light displaying mean that the system is applying correction?

[Nght&Day-B8]

haha, yeah like nputer said if it snows here.. we have a problem!

[Okan509]

I think it does mean it is doing some sort of correction (could be very minor), what I can usually feel around corners, the brakes are applied to one or more wheels to help stabilize traction.

However sometimes I feel it is too sensitive. When the brakes pump in a corner it takes all the fun out of it, and if I know the upcoming corner that I am about to floor it on, I will turn the ASR off. Making a jagged corner, into something very smooth, with no slippage detected.

[Kay15]

I only get it when I am making a hard left or right.. tires SUCK.

[NPuter]

what's the difference between ESP and ASR (sorry if I'm wrong on the abbreviations)

basically what does holding the ESP button for five seconds do that just pushing it doesn't

[DavidB8]

Anti-Slip regulation system. It's the one that keeps you smooth going around corners. ESP is a collection of items like ASR, ABS, EDL (Electronic differential lock). Just taping the button turns off the ASR, holding it for longer than 3 seconds turns off the ESP program completely.

[naemcivic]

Yeah, I have the Pirelli HP summer tire P7s that came with the sport package. The only time i get those lights flashing is when I am hard corner in the rain or in the snow. other wise I am well planted on the road.

[cazeluf]

what's the difference between ESP and ASR (sorry if I'm wrong on the abbreviations)

basically what does holding the ESP button for five seconds do that just pushing it doesn't

ASR is most commonly referred to as Traction Control. This is distinct from what is commonly referred to in the industry as Electronic Stability Control (ESC). Audi throws some features under the umbrella of their term Electronic Stability Program (ESP) which are not generally considered part of ESC systems. Unfortunately, this seems to create some confusion.

ASR - or Traction Control - uses the Antilock Brake System (ABS) sensors to detect wheel spin. To eliminate the slippage, it reduces engine power until traction is restored. The car doesn't even have to be moving for this to happen. ASR is disabled by briefly pressing the ESP Off button. A good time to disable ASR would be if you are stuck in snow, especially if you need to rock the car. You want the wheels to spin and, hopefully, bite into the snow/ice. ASR won't let that happen.

Technically, as far as Audi is concerned, ASR is part of ESP. However, to avoid confusion, it's probably best to think of them separately, and to think of ESP only as ESC. Like ASR, ESC also uses sensors to detect wheel slippage, but it also uses sensors to monitor things like vehicle speed, acceleration, yaw, and lateral G forces. It needs to know exactly what situation the vehicle is in so that it can apply corrective measures before control is lost. It may reduce engine power and apply braking to individual wheels. Additionally, if you have Drive Select, it can make small steering adjustments to keep the vehicle under control. This is nice, because a steering adjustment doesn't slow you down.

If you press and hole the ESP Off button, both ASR and ESC will be disabled (except for Dynamic Steering adjustments). However, while Audi's documentation lumps the Antilock Brake System (ABS) and Electronic Differential Lock (EDL) under the heading of "ESP," they are NOT disabled when you disable ESP. You cannot disable ABS or EDL.

Also, as far as the OP's original question about transmission slippage, it should be noted that none of these systems have anything to do with what's going on with the transmission or clutch. I'm not aware of any transmission/clutch slippage monitoring system.

[NPuter]

ASR is most commonly referred to as Traction Control. This is distinct from what is commonly referred to in the industry as Electronic Stability Control (ESC). Audi throws some features under the umbrella of their term Electronic Stability Program (ESP) which are not generally considered part of ESC systems. Unfortunately, this seems to create some confusion.

ASR - or Traction Control - uses the Antilock Brake System (ABS) sensors to detect wheel spin. To eliminate the slippage, it reduces engine power until traction is restored. The car doesn't even have to be moving for this to happen. ASR is disabled by briefly pressing the ESP Off button. A good time to disable ASR would be if you are stuck in snow, especially if you need to rock the car. You want the wheels to spin and, hopefully, bite into the snow/ice. ASR won't let that happen.

Technically, as far as Audi is concerned, ASR is part of ESP. However, to avoid confusion, it's probably best to think of them separately, and to think of ESP only as ESC. Like ASR, ESC also uses sensors to detect wheel slippage, but it also uses sensors to monitor things like vehicle speed, acceleration, yaw, and lateral G forces. It needs to know exactly what situation the vehicle is in so that it can apply corrective measures before control is lost. It may reduce engine power and apply braking to individual wheels. Additionally, if you have Drive Select, it can make small steering adjustments to keep the vehicle under control. This is nice, because a steering adjustment doesn't slow you down.

If you press and hole the ESP Off button, both ASR and ESC will be disabled (except for Dynamic Steering adjustments). However, while Audi's documentation lumps the Antilock Brake System (ABS) and Electronic Differential Lock (EDL) under the heading of "ESP," they are NOT disabled when you disable ESP. You cannot disable ABS or EDL.

Also, as far as the OP's original question about transmission slippage, it should be noted that none of these systems have anything to do with what's going on with the transmission or clutch. I'm not aware of any transmission/clutch slippage monitoring system.

wow... that seams confusing as hell, but I think I understand it now... thanks for taking the time to write that...

[Okan509]

I drive a lot with ASR off when it's dry out, it just makes it a better feel through corners.

Yeah, I have the Pirelli HP summer tire P7s that came with the sport package. The only time i get those lights flashing is when I am hard corner in the rain or in the snow. other wise I am well planted on the road.

The sport package wheels suck, you are the first person I think to say they keep you planted ha

[mangust]

ASR is most commonly referred to as Traction Control. This is distinct from what is commonly referred to in the industry as Electronic Stability Control (ESC). Audi throws some features under the umbrella of their term Electronic Stability Program (ESP) which are not generally considered part of ESC systems. Unfortunately, this seems to create some confusion...

Thank you for providing a detailed explanation.

[A4DK]

I drive a lot with ASR off when it's dry out, it just makes it a better feel through corners.



The sport package wheels suck, you are the first person I think to say they keep you planted ha

I ran my PS2 tires for 6K miles on my sports package without any issues.

[ItsDubC]

Ya, my sport pkg PS2s were pretty good actually.

[L0U]

they must be 50% gone by 6000 miles though.

[naemcivic]

I drive a lot with ASR off when it's dry out, it just makes it a better feel through corners.



The sport package wheels suck, you are the first person I think to say they keep you planted ha

Yeah, I don't drive that hard like others on the road. I find that the Sport Package wheels are adequate enough for me.

[naemcivic]

Ya, my sport pkg PS2s were pretty good actually.

PS2s and P7s are performance alike I assume.

[B8_Jim]

PS2s and P7s are performance alike I assume.

I've never had PS2's but they are in the "max performance summer" category. The P7's are a notch down in the "high performance summer" category. There is a wealth of info about PS2's on tire-rack, etc, and next to nothing on P7s. Anyone had both care to comment on the differences?

[naemcivic]

I've never had PS2's but they are in the "max performance summer" category. The P7's are a notch down in the "high performance summer" category. There is a wealth of info about PS2's on tire-rack, etc, and next to nothing on P7s. Anyone had both care to comment on the differences?

Yeah, I wish my sport wheels came with PS2. Rubber. P7s exhibit tire slip, when cornnering hard on wet surface. Otherwise 99% of the time this tire performs like a HP summer tire.

[jcs]

PS2s are much higher rated than the P7, that's the reason why the PS2 is apparently the stock tire on a McLaren SLR.

[mart242]

I've never had PS2's but they are in the "max performance summer" category. The P7's are a notch down in the "high performance summer" category. There is a wealth of info about PS2's on tire-rack, etc, and next to nothing on P7s. Anyone had both care to comment on the differences?

The P7 SUCK!!! I am terribly disappointed by them. Granted, I had had falken azenis (forgot which ones but people used them for autocross all the time) on my subaru before so I may have been expecting too much.. I've lost traction countless time and it was due to tires, not suspension or road. They are quite predictable however so you see it coming (as opposed to the azenis that gave no cue at all and could take you by surprise).

The P7 don't last long either, mine will be toast this summer after a total of 15,000 - 20,000km if I'm lucky.

[eason_c]

My Avant comes with PS3.. haven't see the ESP flashing so far. BTW.. PS3 is a great tire, grip like glue in dry and great wet performance as well.

[naemcivic]

I am a happy camper with the P7s. They do the job just fine. Yeah, in fact I willl order another set when I am through.

[Okan509]

Yeah, in fact I willl order another set when I am through.

Please don't! You can treat your Audi better!

[Kay15]

So explains why for a drag you would want it off because I am sure are cars do not have enough kick to have wheel spin right off the line. I think I feel a bit more kick when I have the ESP off.