What are the RS6'd S4's running for a clutch??

[WMi_S4]

Trigger has been pulled on VAST RS6 turbo deal and all I need to decide on is a clutch. Prince suggested their Stage 4 or Stage 5 setup, but both use the RS4 PP which I want to stay away from (too many horror stories from K04 guys).

So my only options now are CM or SB setup. A few guys on Quattroworld suggested the CM Stage 4 setup. Looking to get input from those guys already running RS6's and that have first-hand experience. While this isn't my DD, I would still like a clutch that engages smoothly and isn't a PITA to drive around on the weekends with.

Next year the motor will be built to a 2.8L with rods, pistons, ect and I might hybrid the RS6s depending how they look so the clutch setup should be able to hold all the power when I build the motor and rebuild the turbos.

Thanks!

[americanthunder]

I'm doing tial 605s in the next couple weeks and I went with the specs stage 3+ it comes highly recommended by EPL, and is a full face clutch with a tq rating of 689 ft lbs. basically your options are spec 3+, SB stage 4, or 5 w/ upgraded pp, or the CM

[koolkoreanked]

Yeah I went with VAST stg three. I think it was all they had at the time. 10 hard 4k launches later, 15k of drive and racing around, the clutch is holding just fine. If Prince recommends stg 4 or 5 I'd go with it.

[KNaudi]

I'm doing tial 605s in the next couple weeks and I went with the specs stage 3+ it comes highly recommended by EPL, and is a full face clutch with a tq rating of 689 ft lbs. basically your options are spec 3+, SB stage 4, or 5 w/ upgraded pp, or the CM

don't have RS6s but I can speak to the quality of the SPEC 3+. Great clutch.

[sparkyvw]

Vast stage 3. Had the same pressure plate for 2 and a half years never once had a problem with it. Its been on my k04 setup , rs6 setup and rs6 hybrid setup. Clutch has never once slipped at all and holds.

[espo4442]

Just speaking from personal experience my SPEC clutch was terrible. I have heard nothing but good reviews on south bend stuff tho...

[Evilevo]

Go with a Southbend Stage 4 or 5 with the Sachs PP. I think VAST might be able to get the Sachs PP for their clutch kits too.

[gearhead1186]

ive driven all 3 clutches. the SB stg5, Spec stg3+ and the CM fx400. i would pick between the SB and the spec.

the SB and the CM are the most grabby since they r both ceramic puck clutches. the Spec wasnt as grabby since its a full face ceramic.

CM engaged down low and SB and Spec further towards the top.

CM had the lightest pedal, Spec was every so slightly tougher than stock and SB was tougher than stock, but not to the extent where it would be a nuisance.

[The_Jerbel]

The VAST Stage 3 clutch has been run on many-a-GT car, and it holds just fine.

[WMi_S4]

Hey Jordan, what is the diff between VAST stg 3, 4 and 5 clutches? I know the stg 5 is a 6 puck and the stg 4 is kevlar/ceramic.

Adam- from talking to Prince I got the assumption that all of their clutch kits only use the RS4 PP

[WMi_S4]

Hey Jordan, what is the diff between VAST stg 3, 4 and 5 clutches? I know the stg 5 is a 6 puck and the stg 4 is kevlar/ceramic.

Adam- from talking to Prince I got the assumption that all of their clutch kits only use the RS4 PP

[bigern45]

i got a southbend stage 4 ceramic and RS4 pp.. ive had a couple people ride/drive, nothing but complements, and after many drag days still holds just fine..

[The_Jerbel]

Hey Jordan, what is the diff between VAST stg 3, 4 and 5 clutches? I know the stg 5 is a 6 puck and the stg 4 is kevlar/ceramic.

Adam- from talking to Prince I got the assumption that all of their clutch kits only use the RS4 PP

You said it.

The S3 clutch is an organic compound on one side, and ceramic on the other, S4 is kevlar/ceramic, and S5 is a ceramic 6 puck disc.

[spa]

VAST stg 3 clutch here.

[Tech/Sales@VAST]

I have our Vast stage 4 on my GT car you will love this clutch!!!!!

[julex]

Vast stage 3 here and works awesome.

[2kblacks4]

Vast stage 4 here and I love it.

[JDM EJ1 95]

i just dont understand how GT cars with 500+ awhp are handling launches/hard driving on a full face single disc clutch.. it makes no sense to me.. a fwd honda cant handle this power on a full face clutch or even a puck style for that matter a lot of times..

my vast stage3 could barely handle my stage3 power and the abuse i put it through(which wasnt much more than a few times at the track) . maybe im the only one? mind you it handled more than my RS4 clutch did, but it really wasnt anything to be praised..

these are AWD higher hp machines, its just common sense that if you are upgrading the power by going as far as RS6s and plan on driving your car the way you built it to be driven , spend the money on the clutch the first time before you go ahead and have to pull a tranny after a couple track days because your single plate clutch is slipping at 550 hp...


edit: im not bashing on single plates.. although it seems i may be doing so, im just trying to figure out the driving styles of the people who are having luck with single plate for more than a season of driving in anything more than a stage3 s4...

for people that DRIVE their cars and get the most out of them i really cant see a single plate working out too well for very long... but these are my OPINIONS which are based of my experiences so take with a grain of salt.

[gearhead1186]

i just dont understand how GT cars with 500+ awhp are handling launches/hard driving on a full face single disc clutch.. it makes no sense to me.. a fwd honda cant handle this power on a full face clutch or even a puck style for that matter a lot of times..

my vast stage3 could barely handle my stage3 power and the abuse i put it through(which wasnt much more than a few times at the track) . maybe im the only one? mind you it handled more than my RS4 clutch did, but it really wasnt anything to be praised..

these are AWD higher hp machines, its just common sense that if you are upgrading the power by going as far as RS6s and plan on driving your car the way you built it to be driven , spend the money on the clutch the first time before you go ahead and have to pull a tranny because your single plate clutch is slipping at 550 hp...

+1

[svoshop]

I have a full RS6 setup.

I run the southbend stage 4 disc. RS4 Pressure Plate, and a new Luk Flywheel.

I have had no problems.

Mike

[The_Jerbel]

i just dont understand how GT cars with 500+ awhp are handling launches/hard driving on a full face single disc clutch.. it makes no sense to me.. a fwd honda cant handle this power on a full face clutch or even a puck style for that matter a lot of times..

my vast stage3 could barely handle my stage3 power and the abuse i put it through(which wasnt much more than a few times at the track) . maybe im the only one? mind you it handled more than my RS4 clutch did, but it really wasnt anything to be praised..

these are AWD higher hp machines, its just common sense that if you are upgrading the power by going as far as RS6s and plan on driving your car the way you built it to be driven , spend the money on the clutch the first time before you go ahead and have to pull a tranny after a couple track days because your single plate clutch is slipping at 550 hp...


edit: im not bashing on single plates.. although it seems i may be doing so, im just trying to figure out the driving styles of the people who are having luck with single plate for more than a season of driving in anything more than a stage3 s4...

for people that DRIVE their cars and get the most out of them i really cant see a single plate working out too well for very long... but these are my OPINIONS which are based of my experiences so take with a grain of salt.

More surface area makes a difference.

[sparkyvw]

i just dont understand how GT cars with 500+ awhp are handling launches/hard driving on a full face single disc clutch.. it makes no sense to me.. a fwd honda cant handle this power on a full face clutch or even a puck style for that matter a lot of times..

my vast stage3 could barely handle my stage3 power and the abuse i put it through(which wasnt much more than a few times at the track) . maybe im the only one? mind you it handled more than my RS4 clutch did, but it really wasnt anything to be praised..

these are AWD higher hp machines, its just common sense that if you are upgrading the power by going as far as RS6s and plan on driving your car the way you built it to be driven , spend the money on the clutch the first time before you go ahead and have to pull a tranny after a couple track days because your single plate clutch is slipping at 550 hp...


edit: im not bashing on single plates.. although it seems i may be doing so, im just trying to figure out the driving styles of the people who are having luck with single plate for more than a season of driving in anything more than a stage3 s4...

for people that DRIVE their cars and get the most out of them i really cant see a single plate working out too well for very long... but these are my OPINIONS which are based of my experiences so take with a grain of salt.

i totaly understand what your saying as im very suprised that i dont slip on a full faced single disc but. Iv never once had a problem with my stage3 from vast and i do drive my car hard. Very hard in fact track drag autox etc. Again as you say my opinions and my experiences.

[AutoUnion1]

Running VAST kevlar with oem flywheel. Very easy to engage which is perfect for me and my daily driver. Went this route so I could road course it in the near future, no plans on ever launching it.

[antoanS4]

i totaly understand what your saying as im very suprised that i dont slip on a full faced single disc but. Iv never once had a problem with my stage3 from vast and i do drive my car hard. Very hard in fact track drag autox etc. Again as you say my opinions and my experiences.

He really drives his car hard, that car screams when he takes it out the whole

[antoanS4]

Running VAST kevlar with oem flywheel. Very easy to engage which is perfect for me and my daily driver. Went this route so I could road course it in the near future, no plans on ever launching it.

I was running SB stage 2 for a little over a year with no problem, i mainly roll race my car i think i had launch my car 8 times in little over a year

[WMi_S4]

i just dont understand how GT cars with 500+ awhp are handling launches/hard driving on a full face single disc clutch.. it makes no sense to me.. a fwd honda cant handle this power on a full face clutch or even a puck style for that matter a lot of times..

my vast stage3 could barely handle my stage3 power and the abuse i put it through(which wasnt much more than a few times at the track) . maybe im the only one? mind you it handled more than my RS4 clutch did, but it really wasnt anything to be praised..

these are AWD higher hp machines, its just common sense that if you are upgrading the power by going as far as RS6s and plan on driving your car the way you built it to be driven , spend the money on the clutch the first time before you go ahead and have to pull a tranny after a couple track days because your single plate clutch is slipping at 550 hp...


edit: im not bashing on single plates.. although it seems i may be doing so, im just trying to figure out the driving styles of the people who are having luck with single plate for more than a season of driving in anything more than a stage3 s4...

for people that DRIVE their cars and get the most out of them i really cant see a single plate working out too well for very long... but these are my OPINIONS which are based of my experiences so take with a grain of salt.

So then what clutch setup do you recommend?

[WMi_S4]

So my next question is stick w/ OEM flywheel or upgrade to a LWFW?? What are the pros/cons of running a LWFW, just more chatter?

[Evilevo]

A Twin disk clutch. Like a Tilton or clutchmasters. I prefer Tilton, I don't really like Clutchmasters as a company. I had one and hated it

[imola]

A Twin disk clutch. Like a Tilton or clutchmasters. I prefer Tilton, I don't really like Clutchmasters as a company. I had one and hated it

2nd. If you want to launch and have a peace of mind, get a tilton (ASP stage 5) or the CM. Those are $2-3k though.

[WMi_S4]

Adam what did you decide to run on your car? So a CM stage 3 or 4?

[AutoUnion1]

So my next question is stick w/ OEM flywheel or upgrade to a LWFW?? What are the pros/cons of running a LWFW, just more chatter?

Chatter at low RPM. LWFW will help you rev match for quicker shifting. Great mod if you track the car. I do a lot of short trips around town so I kept the oem FW for now.

[WMi_S4]

Chatter at low RPM. LWFW will help you rev match for quicker shifting. Great mod if you track the car. I do a lot of short trips around town so I kept the oem FW for now.

Tony, do you know how bad the chatter is? Really noticeable at only low RPM? The last thing I need is another odd sound emitting somewhere from my car

[AutoUnion1]

Tony, do you know how bad the chatter is? Really noticeable at only low RPM? The last thing I need is another odd sound emitting somewhere from my car

There are some that are not as lite as others. I think VAST has a steel version that shouldn't chatter much compared to the aluminum. Honestly, I find myself rev matching pretty much all the time now so I'm regretting not getting one.

[WMi_S4]

There are some that are not as lite as others. I think VAST has a steel version that shouldn't chatter much compared to the aluminum. Honestly, I find myself rev matching pretty much all the time now so I'm regretting not getting one.

Yea, I do that also, looks like you just sold me on one haha.

[flyingfish2626]

I cant decide on the LWFW or resurfacing the stocker either.... I know steel chatters less, so aluminum is out of the question, but is $500-700 for a steel FW really worth it? Am I going to regret running the stocker?

[WMi_S4]

holy crap, i didn't realize a steel LWFW is that much more on top of a clutch

[Evilevo]

Adam what did you decide to run on your car? So a CM stage 3 or 4?

I have a Tilton twin disc that VAST sold me. It was 2k i think. Comes with a LWFW though.

[imola]

Tony, do you know how bad the chatter is? Really noticeable at only low RPM? The last thing I need is another odd sound emitting somewhere from my car

I have a CM LWFW, and the chatter is barely noticeable. It has never bothered me, and is def worth it!

[Evilevo]

I have a CM LWFW, and the chatter is barely noticeable. It has never bothered me, and is def worth it!

X2, it only chatters at like 1500 rpm or so in a higher gear.

[The_Jerbel]

I know steel chatters less, so aluminum is out of the question, but is $500-700 for a steel FW really worth it? Am I going to regret running the stocker?

IMO, no.