KryptoniK's RS4 PES S/C Build *UPDATED 1-15-10*

[KryptoniK]

This will be my official RS4 PES S/C install thread. KMD Tuning will be performing the installation of the entire setup.






Here is a brief list of all mods being installed in this build:

1. PES S/C
2. Snow Performance Water/Meth Injection
3. HKS Camp 2 (ECU data & boost display on RNS-E screen)
4. Kufatec video converter for RNS-E to display HKS Camp 2
5. KMD Tuning Oil Catch Can
6. Ram-Air ducting to stock airbox bottom opening and removal of flap (Not Possible)
7. Carbon Deposit cleaning
8. Custom KMD open-air intake with heat shield




1) PES G4 RS4 Supercharger

- Powder Coated Daytona Grey
- Roots Eaton M90
- PES Tune
- 5 psi
- Intercooled
- Ported for Water/Meth injection to each individual intake port. (will also be useful to insert a bore scope to check valve deposits)
- Water/Meth nozzles
- New Fuel Rails for hood clearance
- Coolant Pump

*MISSING IN PICTURES: Bracket connecting S/C to throttle body, MAF module, Intake manifold flap module (fools ecu to think oem flaps are still there)*






New Fuel Rails:




Water/Meth Ports:


Water/Meth Ports:




2) Snow Performance Meth Kit

- Controller (monitor & control flow, warns if system is malfunctioning)
- Pump
- Using the windshield wiper resevouir as main water/meth container





3) HKS Camp 2

- http://www.hksusa.com/info/?id=3474
- Plugs into OBDII and displays all ECU readings as gauges on RNS-E screen
- Live monitor or record and playback data
- Boost reading















4) Kufatec Video-IN

- Adds Video-IN feature to RNS-E (needed to display HKS Camp 2)
- IMA Multimedia Adapter w/ Control - "Basic-Plus"
- IMA - Harness - Audi RNS-E - "Basic"/"Basic-Plus"





5) KMD Tuning Oil Catch Can

- Eliminate carbon deposits
- No image available, still in the works



6) Ram-Air Ducting To Stock Airbox (Not Possible)

*- After doing research, there is virtually no vacant area to run piping for this setup -*
- Install a scoop from bumper opening
- Run ducting to the bottom opening of stock airbox
- Remove flap at bottom opening
- No image available, still in the works



7) Carbon Deposit Cleaning

- It's severe! Currently being cleaned.





















8) Custom KMD Intake

- Had to eliminate stock intake airbox to fit oil catch can in appropriate position
- Hopefully improve performance (haha)




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PRE-INSTALL BENCHMARKS


1/4 Mile

First time at the drag strip with the RS4. (confirmed: I had carbon deposits at this time and running around 280 whp instead of 325 whp)



Youtube Vid:

Me vs 370z (my best friend who has never launched a RWD at a track)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tq_e...&feature=email



Dyno Charts

- K&N Air Filter
- Revo Tune
- Milltek Header-back Exhaust

With 800 miles on the odometer:


With 23,000 miles on the odometer:



I'm figuring the best way to compare before and after dyno #'s will be with my first run ever at 800 miles and no carbon. I'll use 320 whp as the base # to compare against the after-install #. I guess the base 1/4 mile time is kind of invalid since I ran underpowered due to carbon deposits.





Stay tuned for updates!


UPDATE! Video Walkthrough Part 1

[chilisickle]

oh my

where ever you work, i need an application

good luck

[V8S4Fun]

AWESOME!! Can't wait to see how she does!!

[Sharkfin]

did you end up getting 10 guys for the cheaper pricing?

[JohnnyAlQaeda]

dude this is a siiiick ass setup!
you probably already knew that, but the hks setup blows my effin mind!
i think the water/meth setup will help your s/c'er accomplish what nobody elses has.

[KryptoniK]

did you end up getting 10 guys for the cheaper pricing?

Nope, but PES filled in the quota themselves. I was still able to get the introductory price

[mattlqx]

Wow, that's just awesome. I can't wait to see dyno charts from their MaHa. Do you mind giving a ballpark figure for all that? I'd imagine it's in the $15k or so?

[ngng]

did you double check the resolution required by HKS and what the RNS offers?

where'd you get the intake mani drilled for meth?

[KryptoniK]

Wow, that's just awesome. I can't wait to see dyno charts from their MaHa. Do you mind giving a ballpark figure for all that? I'd imagine it's in the $15k or so?

I got the S/C kit for $10,000.00 (only available at $13,900.00 now)
Meth Kit - $700.00
HKS Camp 2 System - $600.00
Kufatec System - $300.00
KMD Oil Catch Can - ???


Yea I would say with labor/misc parts, I should spend around $15K at the end of this entire process.

[Sharkfin]

Well good luck with the build, I'm hoping it's a raging success because I would be interested in this.

[Papachristou]

that HKS is the shit! id consider installing a rsne on my a4 just for that lol!


i hope PES tunes better than they did for the b6 3.0! everyone who ran the PES tune blew an engine

[KryptoniK]

did you double check the resolution required by HKS and what the RNS offers?

where'd you get the intake mani drilled for meth?

HKS claims it works with Aftermarket & OEM Nav Screens, so I'm sure I'm fine with that.

Manifold is drilled by PES. All kits come pre-drilled and capped. It's up to the customer if they want to apply meth or not at that point.

[tylerS]

i don't mean to take away from the awesomeness of the supercharger, but that hks camp thing looks like it will be a ton of fun to fiddle around with.

[EYE4SPEED]

That's some serious hardware. Looking forward to the results.

[KryptoniK]

that HKS is the shit! id consider installing a rsne on my a4 just for that lol!


i hope PES tunes better than they did for the b6 3.0! everyone who ran the PES tune blew an engine

Yea I was watching videos of the system in action... it's BEAUTIFUL haha, can't believe systems like this are out there.

I'm not too concerned about the "potential disaster" that occured with the 3.0. PES has this kit running on a few R8's with the same motor as mine and there haven't been any issues.

[KryptoniK]

i don't mean to take away from the awesomeness of the supercharger, but that hks camp thing looks like it will be a ton of fun to fiddle around with.

I agree, I'm almost more excited about the HKS system than the supercharger haha. It will almost be like having Vag-Com displayed on your RNS-E without having a laptop in the passenger seat. Will be great to monitor everything that's going on in the motor on the fly.

[WEEDER]

I wish my was here now. We are working on my RS4 next week. Cannot wait to compare numbers.

[duud40]

Great news. Sounds and looks very mean.
The ammount of work and attention to detail that has gone into this kit is huge.
That still doesn`t make up for the fact that you`re geting + 150 hp for 14.k usd.
I believe there are a lot of other devices that let you read obd data and then visualise it in real-time. The hks camp is great though.

Tell us how the build goes.

[star607]

Congratulations, and finally!! I'm really looking forward to the results. When do you expect to have the s/c fully installed and tuned?

[KryptoniK]

Congratulations, and finally!! I'm really looking forward to the results. When do you expect to have the s/c fully installed and tuned?

Thanks, I'm really excited man...

Monday will be the big day *crosses fingers*

[mattlqx]

WOW, if those dynos don't tell the story for carbon build-up, I don't know what does.

[KryptoniK]

WOW, if those dynos don't tell the story for carbon build-up, I don't know what does.

40 whp loss just like everyone else with the same issue, I can't believe it man. It really seems like EVERY RS4 is running like this, weather or not ECU warnings have arised. I've never had an ECU warning to date. It's very disappointing knowing that I've been driving my car thinking it's running great and at it's full potential, when in fact it has massive power loss. I hope this catch can does the trick once and for all.


Once I have the IM off I'll have pics to post on the carbon deposit thread.

[mattlqx]

40 whp loss just like everyone else with the same issue, I can't believe it man. It really seems like EVERY RS4 is running like this, weather or not ECU warnings have arised. I've never had an ECU warning to date. It's very disappointing knowing that I've been driving my car thinking it's running great and at it's full potential, when in fact it has massive power loss. I hope this catch can does the trick once and for all.


Once I have the IM off I'll have pics to post on the carbon deposit thread.

I'm right there with you man.. My car has roughly same milage (~22k) and dynos almost exactly the same as your second dyno on a MaHa. I really, really wish I could do the same thing you're doing and at least have a car I can enjoy into its old age but short of some miracle, I think I'm going to have to beg for a cleaning and ditch eventually.

Thanks for the effort on the pics! I can't imagine you'll want to tear down the manifold again but in another 10-20k, do you think there's a chance you'll want to check out if the meth/catch-can has made a difference on the carbon with a visual inspection? I'd assume that even with the supercharger, dyno evidence would probably suffice though.

[KryptoniK]

I'm right there with you man.. My car has roughly same milage (~22k) and dynos almost exactly the same as your second dyno on a MaHa. I really, really wish I could do the same thing you're doing and at least have a car I can enjoy into its old age but short of some miracle, I think I'm going to have to beg for a cleaning and ditch eventually.

Thanks for the effort on the pics! I can't imagine you'll want to tear down the manifold again but in another 10-20k, do you think there's a chance you'll want to check out if the meth/catch-can has made a difference on the carbon with a visual inspection? I'd assume that even with the supercharger, dyno evidence would probably suffice though.

Ah don't get down about it. If you can, get the carbon cleaning done and setup an oil catch can system. It HAS to resolve the issue, it does in so many other scenarios/applications.. especially in high performance situations.

I'll most likely pop out the S/C after 1-2K miles to check on the valves and other hardware. I'll frequently check out the catch can and see how much builds up there. So keep posted.



PS: I just posted my youtube link with the 1/4 mile slip. Check it out!

[sakimano]

holy shit...54 whp lost from new to 800miles to 25,000 miles?

Yeah...carbon's not a problem

Great thread K. Looking forward to watching the progress.

[highPSI-S4]

WOW, all the parts look nice. Can't wait to see the car in action. Hopefully we will see the results we were looking for.

[sakimano]

i hope PES tunes better than they did for the b6 3.0! everyone who ran the PES tune blew an engine

exaggeration of the decade...

[mattlqx]

As a side note, the 4.2 V8 has massively stronger internals than the B6 3.0 which to my understanding had very thin aluminum heads.

[ngng]

damn, you're doin it all fancy with dynos and 1/4 miles :P

[KryptoniK]

damn, you're doin it all fancy with dynos and 1/4 miles :P

lol ngng, I want to supply AZ with as much un-biased information as possible. I really want to cover every spectrum of performance measurement, from dyno charts to real world 1/4 mile times and highway pulls.

[jalas]

Subscribed!!!! Can't wait to read about the progress.

[Matt@EuropaParts]

Excellent, can't wait to see how this turns out.

[04Ultrasprt]

lol ngng, I want to supply AZ with as much un-biased information as possible. I really want to cover every spectrum of performance measurement, from dyno charts to real world 1/4 mile times and highway pulls.

I'll see you on the highway! Great build, really looking forward to seeing this come together

[KryptoniK]

I'll see you on the highway! Great build, really looking forward to seeing this come together

That's what I'm talking about!

[B6guy42]

Good luck bro. There are 3 rs4's getting done at Pes now. Saw them while tinkering with an almost impossible issue to diag. Car running like crap. I hope
Kmd has done this install
before. Good luck man. I can give you a couple pointers in what to check when you get her back

[KryptoniK]

Good luck bro. There are 3 rs4's getting done at Pes now. Saw them while tinkering with an almost impossible issue to diag. Car running like crap. I hope
Kmd has done this install
before. Good luck man. I can give you a couple pointers in what to check when you get her back

All 3 had the same issue? I can't imagine it being too complicated since they have the kits running on R8s. Hmmmm I guess we'll see what happens. I know KMD has installed PES and VF kits on S4's so I'm not worried about that.

I'll be in touch.. thanks for the help =)

[NY07RS4]

This is an awesome thread. Subscribed. I will offer the utmost flattery by almost completely copying you in the next year or so (company success pending). Hopefully you rack up thousands of problem free miles and convince me it's a totally solid, reliable set up. If so, I'll be very anxious to put a similar if not exact system in place. Best of luck with it, can't wait to see the final result!

[KryptoniK]

This is an awesome thread. Subscribed. I will offer the utmost flattery by almost completely copying you in the next year or so (company success pending). Hopefully you rack up thousands of problem free miles and convince me it's a totally solid, reliable set up. If so, I'll be very anxious to put a similar if not exact system in place. Best of luck with it, can't wait to see the final result!

haha I am flattered man. Please don't worry about "copying", if this system is as good as I think it is, I'll be more than happy to meet with you someday and take you for a spin. Would be nice to see some more local RS4's making good power.

[Mr. Corey]

Cant wait to see results! This is sick!!! Going to be insane! I'm sitting at my cpu drooling hahaha

[JohnnyAlQaeda]

i seriously want to get that hks setup now. granted i really have no need for it, i will more than likely never be boosted but that shits neat as all hell. does it work with any aftermarket screen? i have a 7in eclipse in mine.