Retrofitting an MY2010 MKII TT RNS-E unit in an MY2003 B6A4.

[saizero]

Sweet, me thinks I might have to do this. thanks!

[BASARAB]

Is map dvd the same for older and newer rns-e?

[AvanTTix]

Yes it is. Obviously a more recent DVD would have more up-to-date maps, but older ones do still work.

[RLB6]

I'm looking to purchase the newer RNS-e...for a very good price ofcourse. Know where I can find one?

[Scotty@Advanced]

I'm looking to purchase the newer RNS-e...for a very good price ofcourse. Know where I can find one?

I've got new RNS-E's as installed in the B6/B7, however if you seek a MU10+ unit then expect to shell out at least 2-3 grand for a new unit, unless you can find a deal on a used one.

Here's a group buy...

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...795.00-shipped

[RLB6]

You can go through the trouble to source a new RNS-E from an A3 then find a faceplate for the B6/7 RNS-e to swap


OR

You can just source a RNS-E for the SEAT EXEO which has the newer high resolution screen and the faceplate is the same as a B6/7 RNS-E

[vintagespin]

You can just source a RNS-E for the SEAT EXEO which has the newer high resolution screen and the faceplate is the same as a B6/7 RNS-E

Do you have a p/n? (the first few digits always vary depending on the car)

[iamshayan]

Do you have a p/n? (the first few digits always vary depending on the car)

3R0

[penogg]

I hope I am not rehashing an question that has been already asked, but I have some related questions;

First, I have a 2003 Allroad with a series 1 RNS-E (4B0), with Bluetooth, Sirius, and a Kufatech module for VIM/backup cam/flashed Lamborghini.

That said, I would like to update to the RNS-E MK2, not just for the LED screen, but I want to also install the AMI module for "TT like" integration for my ipod. That is unless Dension makes something that will do the same on newer RNS-E MK2?

Also, while I am asking, does anyone have an opinion regarding any differences in updating the firmware on the RNS-E MK2 vs the 1st Gen? I have done most of the updates on my first gen like VIM...

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[PNW Avant]

2nd gen has been known to be much more difficult to integrate VIM hack and back up cam. Many have been perplexed how Avanttix integrated back-up cam because it has not been widely replicated. There's speculation that the unit must be from the 2010 model year (not newer) for it to work.

I would recommend interacting with the folks over at audiforum.us. They have a very good RNS-e forum.

No idea about the ipod integration, sorry.

[penogg]

RNS-E MK2 VIM
Ok, here's my question that has probably been asked a few time though I can't seem to find a clear answer;

I currently own an RNS-E 1st gen (4B0-035-192) that I enabled VIM via Lamborghini mode PRIMARILY for the for the backup camera..

I am looking to purchasing the newer RNS-E MK2 (**193) model and I am trying to find out if it is possible to do the same (VIM) with it?

If this has been covered, please link..

Thank you,
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[PNW Avant]

Read my post above, I have already answered this question.

Simply put, there is no confirmed method or workflow to activate VIM (for back-up cam, or otherwise) for the 2nd generation RNS-e, in contrast to the 1st generation. It worked for this poster (Avanttix), but that is not the case for others. Many have struggled with this.

[PNW Avant]

After years of wondering how to accomplish/replicate this with a MK2 unit, I have done it!

Your MK2 unit needs to have "RFSL" indicated in pin C2 for the rear view camera to work properly. Only some of the early 2010 units had this functionality. In my case, 8P0-035-193-D has the correct hardware.

Troubleshooting a bad DVD drive:


A4 face installed:


Ready for install:


Success!

[asg1290]

After years of wondering how to accomplish/replicate this with a MK2 unit, I have done it!

Your MK2 unit needs to have "RFSL" indicated in pin C2 for the rear view camera to work properly. Only some of the early 2010 units had this functionality. In my case, 8P0-035-193-D has the correct hardware.

Any idea where the cutoff is for RFSL? I don't see a ton of D units out there.

[PNW Avant]

Any idea where the cutoff is for RFSL? I don't see a ton of D units out there.

I have only seen two - the two in this thread. Both with 2009 build dates. One was from a TT, and one was from an A3.

[TSlice]

@PNW Avant: Did you have to code your unit to Lamborghini to get the reverse cam working properly? I'd like to avoid that if possible. Which video interface are you using?

[asg1290]

@PNW Avant: Did you have to code your unit to Lamborghini to get the reverse cam working properly? I'd like to avoid that if possible. Which video interface are you using?

I need to do more research but from what I've learned is if you retrofit the R8 rvc bits into the car it should just work without lambo mode. This is on my list of things to attempt in the next 6 months. It's not a cheap way to do the RVC retro fit so I think that is part of the reason it's not widely done.

[TSlice]

I need to do more research but from what I've learned is if you retrofit the R8 rvc bits into the car it should just work without lambo mode. This is on my list of things to attempt in the next 6 months. It's not a cheap way to do the RVC retro fit so I think that is part of the reason it's not widely done.

I know that people have fit the R8 interface into CAN gateway cars, but I'm not sure I've seen anyone do it in a B6/B7. Are we sure it's possible? If so, has anyone done a pin-out for the connections on the R8 interface? I'd definitely be willing to go this route if it means factory behavior without a Lamborghini start screen.

[asg1290]

I know that people have fit the R8 interface into CAN gateway cars, but I'm not sure I've seen anyone do it in a B6/B7. Are we sure it's possible? If so, has anyone done a pin-out for the connections on the R8 interface? I'd definitely be willing to go this route if it means factory behavior without a Lamborghini start screen.

I don't know if it's possible to be honest. I could have sworn i found a thread about it but I cannot find it now. It does seem possible to auto switch without lambo mode according to this post

https://audiforum.us/threads/rns-e-k...h-to-rvc.8086/

[TSlice]

I don't know if it's possible to be honest. I could have sworn i found a thread about it but I cannot find it now. It does seem possible to auto switch without lambo mode according to this post

https://audiforum.us/threads/rns-e-k...h-to-rvc.8086/

Keep in mind this post is dated 2008, so this would have been before the MKII RNS-E (RNS-E PU). That's not to say that auto-switching won't work on the MKII, but there may be some minor differences worth noting (such as requiring RFSL connection on C2). I'd love to hear from PNW Avant exactly what interface he used, how everything was wired up, and if Lambo coding was required since he clearly has auto-switching working on a MKII.

After a little more reading, it doesn't sound like the R8 camera interface will work on a non-CAN gateway car like the B6 / B7. The video interface and switching functionality MIGHT work (I wasn't able to verify), but the functionality that relies on the CAN gateway such as the dynamic trajectory lines definitely won't work. Probably not worth the extra expense if the Kufatec IMA will do the job on the MKII.

[PNW Avant]

Keep in mind this post is dated 2008, so this would have been before the MKII RNS-E (RNS-E PU). That's not to say that auto-switching won't work on the MKII, but there may be some minor differences worth noting (such as requiring RFSL connection on C2). I'd love to hear from PNW Avant exactly what interface he used, how everything was wired up, and if Lambo coding was required since he clearly has auto-switching working on a MKII.

After a little more reading, it doesn't sound like the R8 camera interface will work on a non-CAN gateway car like the B6 / B7. The video interface and switching functionality MIGHT work (I wasn't able to verify), but the functionality that relies on the CAN gateway such as the dynamic trajectory lines definitely won't work. Probably not worth the extra expense if the Kufatec IMA will do the job on the MKII.

I bought all the exact same parts as this original DIY. I think you can accomplish this with the "basic" interface model too, rather than the "basic plus". But i can't say for certain. I think the basic plus just has an extra analog input because that's what seems to be open on my model.

Auto switching works fine - as you mention, for a MKII unit, you need to have "RFSL" indicated on your label at pin location "C2", and for US firmware, you need to switch the car to "lambo mode"

I don't know if it's possible to be honest. I could have sworn i found a thread about it but I cannot find it now. It does seem possible to auto switch without lambo mode according to this post

https://audiforum.us/threads/rns-e-k...h-to-rvc.8086/

This post you linked to is from europe. As I understand it, Lamborghini mode not required with european firmware. I went through all the modes in my RNS-e when testing the rear cam - lambo mode is the only one that turns the camera on when you select the reverse gear. In other modes, nothing happens in reverse gear. I am getting it fully wired in this weekend (car has been in storage since i did this first test I posted above). I can run through the modes and show the functionality (or lack of it).

I need to do more research but from what I've learned is if you retrofit the R8 rvc bits into the car it should just work without lambo mode. This is on my list of things to attempt in the next 6 months. It's not a cheap way to do the RVC retro fit so I think that is part of the reason it's not widely done.

I am satisfied with where I am at, but I would like to see further research here too. I would expect that with the right R8 parts you might be able to get visual parking control, too, if you have parking sensors (i.e. when you switch to reverse, in the corner of the camera the image you should see the outline of your car with markers that show distance to objects around front and rear bumpers. But i agree with what others have mentioned - i don't know if its possible in the B6/B7 based on differences in CAN communication. I've seen the parking control done on an A3. I think the dual functionality comes from the R8 camera module. I have one "watched" on eBay but it was pretty pricey.

@PNW Avant: Did you have to code your unit to Lamborghini to get the reverse cam working properly? I'd like to avoid that if possible. Which video interface are you using?

I used the exactly same part list as the beginning of this thread. Yes, you need to code to Lamborghini if your RNS-e has US firmware. As I understand it, Lambo mode should not be required with European firmware. But of course that is not really relevant for us, unfortunately.

My cluster shows the Rs4 logo on start up, and my RNS-e says "lambo". My car has an identify crisis and i've just learned to live with it for now :)

[asg1290]

This post you linked to is from europe. As I understand it, Lamborghini mode not required with european firmware. I went through all the modes in my RNS-e when testing the rear cam - lambo mode is the only one that turns the camera on when you select the reverse gear. In other modes, nothing happens in reverse gear. I am getting it fully wired in this weekend (car has been in storage since i did this first test I posted above). I can run through the modes and show the functionality (or lack of it).

That would make sense. If that is the case then I feel like we should be able to tweak the RNS-E firmware and find that magic bit to flip. I know there are software products out there to make custom firmware discs for the RNS-E but I haven't had luck aquiring them for myself. If I could get a Euro FW and compare it to a US FW I bet we could figure out how to make this work. Heck, at the worst, replace the lambo logo with an audi logo.

[PNW Avant]

That would make sense. If that is the case then I feel like we should be able to tweak the RNS-E firmware and find that magic bit to flip. I know there are software products out there to make custom firmware discs for the RNS-E but I haven't had luck aquiring them for myself. If I could get a Euro FW and compare it to a US FW I bet we could figure out how to make this work. Heck, at the worst, replace the lambo logo with an audi logo.

I would certainly be happy if you did!

From my extensive search/reading on audiforum.us and ttforum.co.uk, ive understood the following:

• there's someone that has already hacked the euro Mk2 RNS-e firmware to obviate the need for the RFSL pin. In engineering mode, non-RFSL units still indicate that the car is in reverse. Presumably via canbus. The Hack was to use this signal to perform the auto-switching, rather than the RFSL pin. But there's no proof other than "this guy did it and told me it worked"
• people have searched "extensively" in the firmware code for anything that resembles a JPG or image file to change the start up logos - no dice.

Those two things aside, I agree with you that it seems like it would be easy to flip a bit in the normal "non-lambo" mode to cause it to react to the rear cam signal like it does in lambo mode. I think if you went to ttforum or audiforum, you could get someone to host the firmware for you.

[PNW Avant]

A lot of work to run one wire loom yesterday! I got the wire to the rubber boot and then reassembled everything except the liftgate trim. Today I’ll try to take it the whole way. I have some tools for doing the cables on internally routed road bikes that might help.

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[newb5]

Hi,

A quick question about your RNS-E retrofit. I have the exact same RNS-E PN in my 08 A3 Sportback. What do you use to make your coding changes? I am currently trying to retrofit bluetooth audio streaming into my car via the rns-e and I am trying to figure out what coding changes I need to make. I am using a Kufatec plug and play kit, and according to there instructions I need to make coding changes to Address 56 (Radio), Byte 11 (VCDS shows this as Coding II), Bit 3. The option for it is greyed out in VCDS and I am not sure if I am using the wrong tool or if I am missing something.

Thanks

[PNW Avant]

what tool are you using? I have a licensed tool from ross tech.

[newb5]

what tool are you using? I have a licensed tool from ross tech.

I am using a Hex+Can licensed tool from ross tech as well as VCDS. It's a bit older, as it was purchased years ago to use with my MKIV R32

[PNW Avant]

That tool should work just fine.


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[PNW Avant]

Just a little update here. Things have been working excellent for a few months.

The one issue I have is that a colorful "test pattern" is shown on the screen for about a half second every time I select the reverse gear. If I select the reverse gear a couple times in succession (think, parallel parking) then I don't get the test pattern every time.

I expect the RNS-e is switching to the rear camera screen faster than the kufatec box is able to power up the camera and route the feed to the RNS-e.

If I can't troubleshoot it, I might ditch the kufatec bits and switch to what the Audi TT guys are doing - that is, basic multimedia adapter with a relay triggered by the reverse wire to power up the camera and auto-switch the RNS-e.

[05A4USP]

@PNW Avant
Any update on pulling the Kufatec bits and adding the TT stuff?
Also, were you able to keep the SAT radio with the Mk2 RNS-E coded you Lambo?

[PNW Avant]

@PNW Avant
Any update on pulling the Kufatec bits and adding the TT stuff?
Also, were you able to keep the SAT radio with the Mk2 RNS-E coded you Lambo?

No, I kept my set up. I realized that changing the set up would change the functionality slightly (RVC view wouldn’t Stay on until 5mph - it would cut immediately when reverse lights went off).

I don’t use SAT, I have the discontinued OEM Bluetooth a2dp streaming module and an AMI, so that’s my primary music input. I can check if you’re interested.


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[DannyPhilips]

I am using a Hex+Can licensed tool from ross tech as well as VCDS. It's a bit older, as it was purchased years ago to use with my MKIV R32

Thank you for the photo of the tool - I will search on the Internet and buy the same one.

[Pnflds]

No, I kept my set up. I realized that changing the set up would change the functionality slightly (RVC view wouldn’t Stay on until 5mph - it would cut immediately when reverse lights went off).

I don’t use SAT, I have the discontinued OEM Bluetooth a2dp streaming module and an AMI, so that’s my primary music input. I can check if you’re interested.


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I'd be interested in knowing if SAT still worked. Thanks.