FAQ: VR6 -12V & 24V Info sharing

[NYCVR6]

Looking good, what turbo r u using

Thanks
Precision billet 6765

[Big Boost]

Your install looks real good! What mods were required for the oil pan?

[Wizard-of-OD]

Your install looks real good! What mods were required for the oil pan?

None
No mods to the oil pan or to the subframe.

[NYCVR6]

None
No mods to the oil pan or to the subframe.

You need a different oil pan to clear.. My man here will help you out... Only if he gets me a intake flange asap!

[antoanS4]

Thanks
Precision billet 6765

built botton end? Do u think u would have full boost by?How much power r u specting

[antoanS4]

I have a fully built bottom end with 3.0l stroke motor with RS6's, i would love to do this convertion but i already have a lot of money into this car,and the VR6 swap is a lot of money too

[NYCVR6]

built botton end? Do u think u would have full boost by?How much power r u specting

Yea fully built motor... Power wise i dont know.. I had a vr6 with 670whp 7+ years back, so who knows. Im not so much a dyno number guy anyway.

[sean1.8t]

You should really look into the vwvortex there are guys making 500whp with just head studs and rods. How does that amount to 6K? you don't need such a built engine to make that much power. I will try to find you the link for all the VWVORTEX guys that have what setup and how much power just so you can see how LITTLE Money they spent to get high numbers!

a guy in florida with an R32 was making 700whp on his stock motor with just a head spacer and rod bolts. stock rods, pistons, head and everything else

[Wizard-of-OD]

a guy in florida with an R32 was making 700whp on his stock motor with just a head spacer and rod bolts. stock rods, pistons, head and everything else

I know some VR guys doing the same on 12V's but I would at the very least throw in some rods into that bitch.

[Big Boost]

None
No mods to the oil pan or to the subframe.

He has the 24V, I have the 12V. Are there any mods required for the oil pan used for the 12V? Also, does anyone know if the VR6 was originally designed to be used as a diesel, thus the strong bottom end?

[Wizard-of-OD]

He has the 24V, I have the 12V. Are there any mods required for the oil pan used for the 12V?

For this oil pan to be used on a 12V? No none
12V and 24V (2.8 & 3.2) have the same pan rail.So yes this oil pan will work for you.

[Big Boost]

Is this the one you PM'd me about? If so, thanks!!

[Wizard-of-OD]

Is this the one you PM'd me about? If so, thanks!!

Yup
let me know when you are ready !

[bryzf1]

How many vr6 swaps have been done in the b6 chassis? I quickly read thru the entire thread but didn't come across it so I apologize if this has already been asked. Thanks

[Caddy7]

I know some VR guys doing the same on 12V's but I would at the very least throw in some rods into that bitch.

Okay rods, but that is it!

[Big Boost]

Yup
let me know when you are ready !

I'm ready. Please PM me with the details, payment, etc.

[Wizard-of-OD]

I'm ready. Please PM me with the details, payment, etc.

You got it!

[NetLogic]

How many vr6 swaps have been done in the b6 chassis? I quickly read thru the entire thread but didn't come across it so I apologize if this has already been asked. Thanks

A few pages back this is all I have seen on it.

has a swap for the b6 chassis been tried before???

Yes
not completed yet

[NYCVR6]

Good luck to everyone who wants to do this.. I just want to go on the record for saying this... lol


Swapping out the intercooler, it doesnt fit.. Not the only thing..

[vincephan]

Due to the lack of info on B6 chassis swaps, i decided to email Issam with some questions. I figured some of my questions may be eventually asked and that the information in our emails may be useful to some of the viewers of this thread.

[REMOVED DUE TO ISSAM'S REQUEST]

I hope Issam doesnt mind me posting our email conversation but there are always people that are too scared to ask a certain question and one of them may have been mine.

As for me opting for the 3.6, there isnt really a replacement for displacement. The extra .4 liters might come in handy when you decide to stuff in a GT35R/Big turbo. What i wanna know is, "is it worth the trouble for the extra .4 displacement?"

[Wizard-of-OD]

I hope Issam doesnt mind me posting our email conversation but there are always people that are too scared to ask a certain question and one of them may have been mine.

As for me opting for the 3.6, there isnt really a replacement for displacement. The extra .4 liters might come in handy when you decide to stuff in a GT35R/Big turbo. What i wanna know is, "is it worth the trouble for the extra .4 displacement?"

I actually do so in future please dont do that

Go with the 2.8 or 3.2 motor.

[NYEuroTuner]

Good luck to everyone who wants to do this.. I just want to go on the record for saying this... lol

Swapping out the intercooler, it doesnt fit.. Not the only thing..

Looks like your making some great progress, keep up the good work, you'll def be rolling around before me..

[wdbdy2000s4]

Sad but true...

not when you have 43k miles and you run your turbos at the boost level they were intended for. You know that.

[Rajan147]

Good luck to everyone who wants to do this.. I just want to go on the record for saying this... lol


Swapping out the intercooler, it doesnt fit.. Not the only thing..

look at all that room in the engine bay

[NYCVR6]

Definitely a nice amount of room. But, before everyone pulls the trigger to jump on this bandwagon, i'll address exactly what i have dealt with thus far with this swap.. The "no brainer swap"... I'll make it simple with a list of what hasnt fit or worked out so well..

-Oil pan had to be changed to clear subframe
-Was told an R32 fuel rail will work, bought a brand new one, welded fittings, and it doesnt fit the 2.8 head. Trying to figure out another route
- One motor mount fit, the other wasnt even close, had to fabricate our own mount from scratch
- Valve cover didnt clear hood, was told to buy a toureg one which didnt clear either.. Hacked the oil filler neck off the brand new toureg valve cover, still 1.5" to close the hood.. Not sure where we're going from here with this yet.
- 034efi intake manifold flange does not fit a 2.8l head, it hits the alternator bracket.. Working on getting them to make the right one 3rd time around.
- Hood latch is no longer usable, hoop pins a must
- Radiator fans cant fit between motor and rad, need to find very thin fans to fit between intercooler and AC condenser.. Now impossible to fit a nice size FMIC.. Have to buy 3 thin electric fans..
- Must hack rad support inside to clear pulleys, and on top to clear belt tensioner and head
- 24v VR6 coil packs will hit hood with clips on, need to get custom wires and run external coil pack.
- Must make custom AC lines
- only siemans thin body style injectors fit 24v head
- bumper grills and such wont fit because everything is pushed forward now

That's all i can think of right now off the top of my head, but im gambling on more problems popping up. For those considering this, might want to make sure you have deep pockets and the car at a fully capable fabrication shop for all the cutting and welding. Big props to my friend Chris at C&M Performance for all the help, without someone like him on hand this would have been impossible.

[pipe7284]

wow....and it all seemed so "no brainer" i guess if chris green or 034 guys can chime in on e what they did to resolve the issue you are having, thats if they ran into those same issues.

[NYCVR6]

wow....and it all seemed so "no brainer" i guess if chris green or 034 guys can chime in on e what they did to resolve the issue you are having, thats if they ran into those same issues.

Chris runs no AC on that car, and his car has a 12v vr6 in it. That right there eliminates the hood issues, the coils clearing, the fan problems, fmic fitment, etc...

[viperbl]

Keep up the good work NYCVR6 :)

I am sure all the headaches will be worth it in the end :D

[andream88]

Chris runs no AC on that car, and his car has a 12v vr6 in it. That right there eliminates the hood issues, the coils clearing, the fan problems, fmic fitment, etc...

We should then ask 034 to engineer a custom set of engine mounts to run the AC on the 12v engine!
That seems to be the simplier route out there....

[will175]

With you on that one.

[wdbdy2000s4]

Definitely a nice amount of room. But, before everyone pulls the trigger to jump on this bandwagon, i'll address exactly what i have dealt with thus far with this swap.. The "no brainer swap"... I'll make it simple with a list of what hasnt fit or worked out so well..

-Oil pan had to be changed to clear subframe
-Was told an R32 fuel rail will work, bought a brand new one, welded fittings, and it doesnt fit the 2.8 head. Trying to figure out another route
- One motor mount fit, the other wasnt even close, had to fabricate our own mount from scratch
- Valve cover didnt clear hood, was told to buy a toureg one which didnt clear either.. Hacked the oil filler neck off the brand new toureg valve cover, still 1.5" to close the hood.. Not sure where we're going from here with this yet.
- 034efi intake manifold flange does not fit a 2.8l head, it hits the alternator bracket.. Working on getting them to make the right one 3rd time around.
- Hood latch is no longer usable, hoop pins a must
- Radiator fans cant fit between motor and rad, need to find very thin fans to fit between intercooler and AC condenser.. Now impossible to fit a nice size FMIC.. Have to buy 3 thin electric fans..
- Must hack rad support inside to clear pulleys, and on top to clear belt tensioner and head
- 24v VR6 coil packs will hit hood with clips on, need to get custom wires and run external coil pack.
- Must make custom AC lines
- only siemans thin body style injectors fit 24v head
- bumper grills and such wont fit because everything is pushed forward now

That's all i can think of right now off the top of my head, but im gambling on more problems popping up. For those considering this, might want to make sure you have deep pockets and the car at a fully capable fabrication shop for all the cutting and welding. Big props to my friend Chris at C&M Performance for all the help, without someone like him on hand this would have been impossible.

good work justin. I was gonna cry when you sold your GT setup but it's good to know you're still in "the game." haha

[NYCVR6]

good work justin. I was gonna cry when you sold your GT setup but it's good to know you're still in "the game." haha

[GURUMAN]

my favorite intercooler...

[NYCVR6]

my favorite intercooler...

Looks nice, but doesnt fit with the ac condenser and 2 electrical fans on the condenser. Im pretty sure the vibrant stuff is just ebay crap too, but im not sure. Love the way it looks though. Using a precision intercooler in the last pic with a garrett core, definitely a more quality piece.

[Reich]

Wow I assume ther's an other 9 sec s4 coming along.
Like state above, Glad you're back with a big setup.
Nice work

[NYEuroTuner]

You can see the use of OEM motor mount brackets

Idk the pic issam posted shows it sitting pretty well, I think he was using our S4 mounts, NYCVR6 you seem to be using larger mounts..?


I hope Issam can come in here and give his 2 cents, I dont want to have any crazy problems with this swap...lol

[andream88]

Definitely a nice amount of room. But, before everyone pulls the trigger to jump on this bandwagon, i'll address exactly what i have dealt with thus far with this swap.. The "no brainer swap"... I'll make it simple with a list of what hasnt fit or worked out so well..

-Oil pan had to be changed to clear subframe
-Was told an R32 fuel rail will work, bought a brand new one, welded fittings, and it doesnt fit the 2.8 head. Trying to figure out another route
- One motor mount fit, the other wasnt even close, had to fabricate our own mount from scratch
- Valve cover didnt clear hood, was told to buy a toureg one which didnt clear either.. Hacked the oil filler neck off the brand new toureg valve cover, still 1.5" to close the hood.. Not sure where we're going from here with this yet.
- 034efi intake manifold flange does not fit a 2.8l head, it hits the alternator bracket.. Working on getting them to make the right one 3rd time around.
- Hood latch is no longer usable, hoop pins a must
- Radiator fans cant fit between motor and rad, need to find very thin fans to fit between intercooler and AC condenser.. Now impossible to fit a nice size FMIC.. Have to buy 3 thin electric fans..
- Must hack rad support inside to clear pulleys, and on top to clear belt tensioner and head
- 24v VR6 coil packs will hit hood with clips on, need to get custom wires and run external coil pack.
- Must make custom AC lines
- only siemans thin body style injectors fit 24v head
- bumper grills and such wont fit because everything is pushed forward now

That's all i can think of right now off the top of my head, but im gambling on more problems popping up. For those considering this, might want to make sure you have deep pockets and the car at a fully capable fabrication shop for all the cutting and welding. Big props to my friend Chris at C&M Performance for all the help, without someone like him on hand this would have been impossible.

Hey NYCVR6 could you measure the space you have between the water rad and the engine pulleys, please?
I'd like to know if there's the space to install high flow electric fans in there.

Cheers,
Andrea

[JBM]

So where is the info on the B6 swap because I'm seriously thinking about doing this swap because my motor is getting old (140K) and I don't want another 4 banger. I have all the supporting mods and would love to have a VR in my car.

[NYCVR6]

Hey NYCVR6 could you measure the space you have between the water rad and the engine pulleys, please?
I'd like to know if there's the space to install high flow electric fans in there.

Cheers,
Andrea

Biggest fan you can fit in there is a 9 inch fan up to 2.5" inch thick fan. Which wont cover one half of the rad on the inside . That isnt even close to enough fan. I will be running 2 9" and one 16". You need to find 2" thick fans too, it's a nightmare.

[NYCVR6]

Idk the pic issam posted shows it sitting pretty well, I think he was using our S4 mounts, NYCVR6 you seem to be using larger mounts..?


I hope Issam can come in here and give his 2 cents, I dont want to have any crazy problems with this swap...lol

I am way more in depth into this swap than Issam was. The mount bracket you see in the picture fits, the other side isnt even close. Issam has a toureg block in his car so it is tabbed different than any other VR motor. You WILL have crazy problems with this swap i guarantee. I have only gotten this far because im working on the car in my friends shop, and he is there to help me fab parts as we go. You may get the motor to sit in the bay, if you can make the one mount, but it doesnt clear the hood, rad support must be hacked, hood latch doesnt fit, etc.. Listen to what im saying, im sharing this info before you guys get in too deep in a swap you probably cant pull off. I hope you have deep pockets, or good friends like me.