FAQ: VR6 -12V & 24V Info sharing

[Wizard-of-OD]

The 2.7t is like a stripper, it only works when you throw money at it.

Sad but true...

[onemoremile]

The fact that the 12v VR6 still has timing chains vs. a belt I would not recommend for any one to swap from something with a belt to chains. The timing chain problem has been notorious in the 12v VR6 world. Unlike a belt which you can easily take a look and see how the belt looks... timing chain (and guides) is nearly a half day of just to see if they are ok or not. No thanks. That's main reason I traded my MK3 97 Jetta VR6 for a B5 2001 S4.

Yes I love the sound of the VR6 and I miss it bad but really how often are you going to need the extra room to swap your turbos out? To do all the work for a more space seems like a waste even if it slightly cheaper for the amount of power... We also need to keep in mind most emission standard make it illegal to swap in a older engine in a newer car. I know it is here in Washington state. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure most people are just going to be doing this for a track only car.

I love seeing people trying new things but this might be going in the wrong direction.... that's just my $0.02

Real picture, real mileage and speed, stock chain, normal maintenance. 94 Jetta GLX VR6. It was an autocross points leader at 268,000 miles.

[NYCVR6]

Whoa a lot of people going this route... I wish i was... ;0)

[Papa Stone]

Thanks for posting the teaser!!

[will175]

Justin- I have been waiting to see some pics of the no name persons build,lol. I cant wait man.

[NYEuroTuner]

Very nice parts you have there NYCVR6, Good Luck with the build

[cichonski55]

So i'm not sure if this was answered but has any progresss been made in the B6 deparment. It woul be a shame if this beautiful ngine could only sit in B5's

[B5A4Kevin]

thats a gen III 3.6L fsi right?

[Mrsfourrings]

thats a gen III 3.6L fsi right?

No the 3.6l fsi has a black intake manifold I think, But I think to use an FSI motor one have to drill and install regular injectors because at this point there is no standalone to run FSI cars yet.

[antoanS4]

It looks like

[antoanS4]

Nice,are u gonna use standalone or keeping the stock ECU

[NYEuroTuner]

Nice,are u gonna use standalone or keeping the stock ECU

Stock ECU for now, that's why I am gonna be sending the harnesses to Issam so he can mesh the two to work together.


In the coming months I'll talk to Issam for a Stand alone, at the moment, My S going to be running NA..

[antoanS4]

can u run a 3.6 motor from the touareg

[Wizard-of-OD]

can u run a 3.6 motor from the touareg

Yes you can
you will just need a custom intake manifold as getting that FSI to work in a B5 will be a complete PITA

[viperbl]

Yes you can
you will just need a custom intake manifold as getting that FSI to work in a B5 will be a complete PITA

[RedRocketS4]

for information, what are the best spark plugs to run on the 24v vr6 n/a and then turbo?

[NYEuroTuner]

I would assume NGK's?

[RedRocketS4]

^^haha, which NGK's? the BKR6E's ($2.50 each), BKR7E's ($2.50 each), or the ones that come from the factory ($10 each).

[Pete.McP]

The bellhousing adapter is an OEM part, correct? If so, why do you need a custom flywheel and starter? Shouldn't there be an OEM starter and flywheel that would work?

[Wizard-of-OD]

The bellhousing adapter is an OEM part, correct? If so, why do you need a custom flywheel and starter? Shouldn't there be an OEM starter and flywheel that would work?

There is an OEM starter and an OEM flywheel.

OEM Starter motor - $650+ USD
OEM Flywheel - 35lb dual mass unit and costs about $500 USD

If we thought it would be cheaper to offer OEM parts,trust me we would have....

[Big Boost]

I believe the factory adaptor is meant for the FWD transmissions and the unit used in the Touareg/Q7. It is needed for this application to bolt up the VR6 longitudinally to the 01E transmission in the B5 chassis.

[Pete.McP]

It is needed for this application to bolt up the VR6 longitudinally to the 01E transmission in the B5 chassis.

Thanks, I figured that out already.

I believe the factory adaptor is meant for the FWD transmissions and the unit used in the Touareg/Q7.

There is an OEM starter and an OEM flywheel.

OEM Starter motor - $650+ USD
OEM Flywheel - 35lb dual mass unit and costs about $500 USD

If we thought it would be cheaper to offer OEM parts,trust me we would have....

Is the starter and flywheel out of the Touareg/Q7?

[Wizard-of-OD]

Is the starter and flywheel out of the Touareg/Q7?

I apologize in advance if this comes out the wrong way but I am not going to answer that.
We put alot of R&D into this set up so if you are interested in one then simply send me a PM or email but this thread is not for me to tell you where to outsource us on parts from.

Thanks.

[Pete.McP]

I apologize in advance if this comes out the wrong way but I am not going to answer that.
We put alot of R&D into this set up so if you are interested in one then simply send me a PM or email but this thread is not for me to tell you where to outsource us on parts from.

Thanks.

Fair enough. I understand where you're coming from.

[jibberjive]

outsource us on parts from.

English is such a wierd language. If you focus on those last 5 words it seems crazy, yet somehow it makes perfect sense ha. Sorry for the random post

[Pete.McP]

mys4.org, everyone has to weigh things out for themselves. I find this swap very appealing. I've owned my fair share of VWs and Audis, as well as other cars with motor swaps. If you already have a lot of money tied up in your S4 and its running great, then yes, I don't see the point in swapping. But if you're starting from scratch, or have a blown motor, or a regular 2.8 A4/A6, and want to build a monster, there doesn't seem like a better way to do it. Used Vr6 motors are cheap, 01E's are cheap, and S4's with blown motors are also cheap, (good running 2.8 C5's and B5's are also very inexpensive, and I've seen good, clean, running B6's with 01E's for less than $10K) so why wouldn't you?!?

[NYCVR6]

[antoanS4]

Looking good, what turbo r u using

[NYCVR6]

Looking good, what turbo r u using

Thanks
Precision billet 6765

[Big Boost]

Your install looks real good! What mods were required for the oil pan?

[Wizard-of-OD]

Your install looks real good! What mods were required for the oil pan?

None
No mods to the oil pan or to the subframe.

[antoanS4]

Thanks
Precision billet 6765

built botton end? Do u think u would have full boost by?How much power r u specting

[NYCVR6]

built botton end? Do u think u would have full boost by?How much power r u specting

Yea fully built motor... Power wise i dont know.. I had a vr6 with 670whp 7+ years back, so who knows. Im not so much a dyno number guy anyway.

[antoanS4]

I have a fully built bottom end with 3.0l stroke motor with RS6's, i would love to do this convertion but i already have a lot of money into this car,and the VR6 swap is a lot of money too

[bryzf1]

How many vr6 swaps have been done in the b6 chassis? I quickly read thru the entire thread but didn't come across it so I apologize if this has already been asked. Thanks

[NetLogic]

How many vr6 swaps have been done in the b6 chassis? I quickly read thru the entire thread but didn't come across it so I apologize if this has already been asked. Thanks

A few pages back this is all I have seen on it.

has a swap for the b6 chassis been tried before???

Yes
not completed yet

[NYCVR6]

Good luck to everyone who wants to do this.. I just want to go on the record for saying this... lol


Swapping out the intercooler, it doesnt fit.. Not the only thing..

[vincephan]

Due to the lack of info on B6 chassis swaps, i decided to email Issam with some questions. I figured some of my questions may be eventually asked and that the information in our emails may be useful to some of the viewers of this thread.

[REMOVED DUE TO ISSAM'S REQUEST]

I hope Issam doesnt mind me posting our email conversation but there are always people that are too scared to ask a certain question and one of them may have been mine.

As for me opting for the 3.6, there isnt really a replacement for displacement. The extra .4 liters might come in handy when you decide to stuff in a GT35R/Big turbo. What i wanna know is, "is it worth the trouble for the extra .4 displacement?"

[Wizard-of-OD]

I hope Issam doesnt mind me posting our email conversation but there are always people that are too scared to ask a certain question and one of them may have been mine.

As for me opting for the 3.6, there isnt really a replacement for displacement. The extra .4 liters might come in handy when you decide to stuff in a GT35R/Big turbo. What i wanna know is, "is it worth the trouble for the extra .4 displacement?"

I actually do so in future please dont do that

Go with the 2.8 or 3.2 motor.

[NYEuroTuner]

Good luck to everyone who wants to do this.. I just want to go on the record for saying this... lol

Swapping out the intercooler, it doesnt fit.. Not the only thing..

Looks like your making some great progress, keep up the good work, you'll def be rolling around before me..