FAQ: VR6 -12V & 24V Info sharing

[nefkntym]

I hate when people ask 'can it be done?'
I mean hell. There are chicks walking around with dicks.
Of course it can be done.

LMAO

[NYCVR6]

anything can outflow the 12v head. But yet it still made over 800awhp on e85

That motor is out of his race car, that is the only reason he used it.. Because it was free and sitting there. There have been YEARS of tuning into that motor. 12v vr6 has been around for 15+ years... The 24v just a few years. I wouldnt be surprised if eventually someone squeezes 1000+ whp out of a 24v vr6..

[S4M3]

What size injectors are you running ?

[CRAIG1MACK]

I believe he's running these:

Injector Dynamics 1000cc high impedance injector

http://www.t1raceparts.com/ProductDe...uctCode=B1000S

[NYCVR6]

I believe he's running these:

Injector Dynamics 1000cc high impedance injector

http://www.t1raceparts.com/ProductDe...uctCode=B1000S

Exactly

[RichardsA4]

Is the cradle and all the swap parts available at 034 motorsport compatible with a b6 chassis ?

[CRAIG1MACK]

Is the cradle and all the swap parts available at 034 motorsport compatible with a b6 chassis ?

x2

If so, where are they listed on the website?

[nefkntym]

Yeah, this would be nice to know. I started a B5 vr6t project late last year and had to part with it this summer when it came time to get a house. Things worked out better than I hoped and I got a house with a 4 car garage instead of a 2. So, VR6T is back on the plate and I am looking for a good b5 now but I would love to go back to a B6 if possible.

More info please.

[Wizard-of-OD]

Is the cradle and all the swap parts available at 034 motorsport compatible with a b6 chassis ?

Yes they are but you will have to:
* Modify your subframe
* not have the ability to run a rubber engine mount

[CRAIG1MACK]

Issam, do you have pictures and pricing info for your B6 engine mounts?

[S4M3]

I believe he's running these:

Injector Dynamics 1000cc high impedance injector

http://www.t1raceparts.com/ProductDe...uctCode=B1000S

Nice i will go with 1000cc but with something els more like $ 65 a injectors :) low impedance.

[S4M3]

Here some pix of my goodies :)

[NYCVR6]

Nice i will go with 1000cc but with something els more like $ 65 a injectors :) low impedance.

Running a 12v vr6? If youre planning a 24v swap, no low impedance injectors will fit in the head.

[CRAIG1MACK]

Here some pix of my goodies :)

link is out..

[S4M3]

Running a 12v vr6? If youre planning a 24v swap, no low impedance injectors will fit in the head.

yeah 12v vr6

[S4M3]

link is out..

what do you mean ? The link is not working?

[NYEuroTuner]

Good luck on the build S4M3, you'll be very happy, after seeing Justin's build, and almost finished with mine (Naturally aspirated), I can honestly say I am as giddy as a little school girl.. Or a fat kid about to eat his fav cake..lol

[Big Boost]

Here some pix of my goodies :)

What all parts do you have? Did you order your harness yet? If not, I would order it and get in line I've been waiting over two months. 034 is just that busy with all kinds of projects.

[turbotuner20v]

Another B6 3.0 owner checking in on this swap.

If I've read right, the 12v VR6 fits in the engine bay easier than the 24 valve, but has a less efficient head and can't use A/C. The plus side is that it can use the normal motor mounts? I'd rather sacrafice the A/C and save space and use normal mounts. The 12v can also make 400-500awhp pretty easily I assume, right?

Maybe I read wrong and you'll have the same clearance issues w/ either the 12v or the 24v... but fitment makes the 12v seem like the better answer imo. Plus it's cheaper.

Issam, I sent you a PM earlier, just finished reading this thread. I'm concerned about the issues brought up by the person who's completed the swap, but if using a 12v can avoid some of these, and if you're now supplying a passenger motor mount pre-fabricated, it sounds like the rest can be adjusted w/o major welding fab work?

[tgiblin]

NYEurotuner hows the swap going? How would you rate the difficulty of this swap? Overall cost? Are you going to do a build thread?

[O2VW1.8T]

Another B6 3.0 owner checking in on this swap.

If I've read right, the 12v VR6 fits in the engine bay easier than the 24 valve, but has a less efficient head and can't use A/C. The plus side is that it can use the normal motor mounts? I'd rather sacrafice the A/C and save space and use normal mounts. The 12v can also make 400-500awhp pretty easily I assume, right?

Maybe I read wrong and you'll have the same clearance issues w/ either the 12v or the 24v... but fitment makes the 12v seem like the better answer imo. Plus it's cheaper.

Issam, I sent you a PM earlier, just finished reading this thread. I'm concerned about the issues brought up by the person who's completed the swap, but if using a 12v can avoid some of these, and if you're now supplying a passenger motor mount pre-fabricated, it sounds like the rest can be adjusted w/o major welding fab work?

With the 12v your either going to have to make custom motor mount brackets or use 034efi's race brackets that means metal to metal vibrate your teeth out... With the 24v you still need a custom pass side but there is a OEM to drivers side...

[turbotuner20v]

With the 12v your either going to have to make custom motor mount brackets or use 034efi's race brackets that means metal to metal vibrate your teeth out... With the 24v you still need a custom pass side but there is a OEM to drivers side...

ah, must have had it mixed up. I thought the 24v was too tall based on the guy who's done it and he had to modify motor mounts anyways. I thought the 12v was shorter and had the holes for the motor mounts, you just had to choose to use it instead of the A/C bracket. Guess I'll have to wait to hear back from Issam and make sure I've got it straight.

[NYEuroTuner]

NYEurotuner hows the swap going? How would you rate the difficulty of this swap? Overall cost? Are you going to do a build thread?

Swap is going well, no build thread for me, not my style, however I would rate this a 8 out of 10 for skill level.

Now I did all the bolt on stuff (removing the motor etc and setting up my vr6, starter, adapter plate, cllutch and flywheel & oil pan), but as far any fabricating (exhaust, ac lines etc) I have some buddies of mine that are helping out. And Issam is making me my Passenger side bracket

But the only real challenge was to decide which way I wanted to go as far as harness.

Issam is doing some magic this week and well figure out whether or not well run the motor off the stock harness ( modified of course ) or go stand alone, so that's all up to issam.

I am going NA 24v VR6, and plan to go boost in about a year, so I might just go stand alone, I guess well see.


About over all cost, parts (clutch, oil pan, starter, adapter plate, flywheel, custom bracket) comes to about 2,500 give or take. Its really not that bad, but then again, like justin, I have friends who can weld/fab for me so that is a HUGE HELP financially.

As far as hoses/lines, justin said he paid over 1k in hoses and clamps n such, well See, I'll def update what the cost is for me when I get to that.

I'll def take some pics as soon as Im done and def post them up.

If your really interested in doing this swap or have questions you couldnt find answers for here, just PM/Email Issam, so far its been heaven working with him, really cool guy.

[CRAIG1MACK]

what do you mean ? The link is not working?

Right, just a red x.

[CRAIG1MACK]

In case you haven't seen 034's thread on their build:
http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17457

[CRAIG1MACK]

Does anyone know of a 24v VR6 engine and a R32 head for sale?

[NYEuroTuner]

Does anyone know of a 24v VR6 engine and a R32 head for sale?

If I find any I'll PM you with the links..

And to the R32 head, I have plans to do that when I go boost.

[Wizard-of-OD]

Does anyone know of a 24v VR6 engine and a R32 head for sale?

Send me an email
I have 2.
Also everyone as much as I would like you to dive full steam ahead into this,give me a couple of weeks as now is winter and I will be moving forward with the B6 again.
Be patient ....I will also be working on a 12V kit that uses the A/C compressor.once you are willing to pay for the brackets then the kit will be made

[S4M3]

What all parts do you have? Did you order your harness yet? If not, I would order it and get in line I've been waiting over two months. 034 is just that busy with all kinds of projects.

I think i was one of the first guys that orderd from 034 i have all my parts iam just missing injectors,oil pan, and adapter plate

Sepc on the motor VR 12v
-JE pistons 84 mm over
- IE rods
- crnak caps
- all APR studs.. etc
- Supertech oversizes valves
- Ti retaines and srpings
- Port and polished head
- Custom intake manifold
Dammm this list is to big

Anyway i have 044 Inline pump i might need one more for the tank


My car is still in the body shop getting painted so i should start on this sometimes next week i will keep u guys update.
there will some pix on here and on my webpage www.solomotorsports.net

[antoanS4]

Here some pix of my goodies :)

What turbo is that one

[Wizard-of-OD]

oil pan, and adapter plate

I have an oil pan here if you need one.

Guys PLEASE ask questions in this thread.Sending me a PM and me answering it there does not benefit anyone reading this thread.

[S4M3]

What turbo is that one

Precision Billet wheel 67/65 i am using the same turbo as USP i like the power band on that turbo prefect turbo for this setup.

[S4M3]

I have an oil pan here if you need one.

Guys PLEASE ask questions in this thread.Sending me a PM and me answering it there does not benefit anyone reading this thread.

Issam i need a cheap oil pan so i can modified it my self :) what u got vw touareg ?

[CRAIG1MACK]

Send me an email
I have 2.
Also everyone as much as I would like you to dive full steam ahead into this,give me a couple of weeks as now is winter and I will be moving forward with the B6 again.
Be patient ....I will also be working on a 12V kit that uses the A/C compressor.once you are willing to pay for the brackets then the kit will be made

Just sent you an email

[Wizard-of-OD]

Issam i need a cheap oil pan so i can modified it my self :) what u got vw touareg ?

One like Justin's

[NYCVR6]

Precision Billet wheel 67/65 i am using the same turbo as USP i like the power band on that turbo prefect turbo for this setup.

Looks different than the billet 6765 i got from precision, and the one USP runs. Mine has the drilled comp housing.. Was it cheaper to not get that option?

[NYCVR6]

Swap is going well, no build thread for me, not my style, however I would rate this a 8 out of 10 for skill level.

Now I did all the bolt on stuff (removing the motor etc and setting up my vr6, starter, adapter plate, cllutch and flywheel & oil pan), but as far any fabricating (exhaust, ac lines etc) I have some buddies of mine that are helping out. And Issam is making me my Passenger side bracket

Like i said before, once the motor/trans is bolted in the car, you are about 20-25% done with the swap.. You'll see what im talking about..


Sure, since you are running it NA and probably not touching the fuel system, it will be a bit easier.. You will have all the fitment issues onces the motor is sitting in the bay.

[NYEuroTuner]

Like i said before, once the motor/trans is bolted in the car, you are about 20-25% done with the swap.. You'll see what im talking about..


Sure, since you are running it NA and probably not touching the fuel system, it will be a bit easier.. You will have all the fitment issues onces the motor is sitting in the bay.

Agreed. But if I have to hack away at the rad support, or cop/cut weld, personally I could care less. Whatever I have to do to complete the swap I will do. I dont mind spacing out the hood brackets to make the motor fit, in my eyes, I say screw it. Its gonna get done one way or another! lol

But hey, I'm figuring this out as I go, so I'm sure I'll run into problems, its o.k
I have 1800- ISSAMHELP lol thank goodness..lol

And justin if you have any advice or pics, or any other issues that you did not mention before that came up and you wanna let us know that would be greatly appreciated.

[turbotuner20v]

Like i said before, once the motor/trans is bolted in the car, you are about 20-25% done with the swap.. You'll see what im talking about..


Sure, since you are running it NA and probably not touching the fuel system, it will be a bit easier.. You will have all the fitment issues onces the motor is sitting in the bay.

if you had to break out the remaining 75-80%, what would you say?

Wiring - ? %
coolant hoses/radiator/fans - ? %
turbo kit installation/fab - ? %
fueling - ? %

any other major jobs, or just misc?

I feel like the hardest part is getting the motor/tranny set up in the car, then the rest is just tedious fitment and misc. stuff... similar to just turbocharging any other car. Is that an accurate assessment, or is there alot more of the VR6 'swap' stuff that takes time after the initial mounting.

[NYCVR6]

if you had to break out the remaining 75-80%, what would you say?

Wiring - ? %
coolant hoses/radiator/fans - ? %
turbo kit installation/fab - ? %
fueling - ? %

any other major jobs, or just misc?

I feel like the hardest part is getting the motor/tranny set up in the car, then the rest is just tedious fitment and misc. stuff... similar to just turbocharging any other car. Is that an accurate assessment, or is there alot more of the VR6 'swap' stuff that takes time after the initial mounting.

Getting motor to fit with hood closing 20%
Coolant hoses, fans, AC lines - 20%
Fuel system (if you do a complete system like me) - 10%
Wiring - 15-20%
Other misc stuff will fill in the rest.. Once the motor is in the car the easy part is done, it took us 1-2 days to get the motor in the car, and we would just work a few hours at a clip..This swap, besides bolting to the trans with the adapter plate, and motor mounts, just doesnt seem meant to be haha.