(viziers's) - FWD to AWD Conversion Project

[viziers]

thought it was mounted transverse in FWDs. my bad.

No big deal..Its always a learning process for everyone.. We learn somthing new everyday..


vizi

[gfcipriani]

This is a wild mod. props to you for attempting it. hope it all works out - major contribution here! +rep!

[viziers]

This is a wild mod. props to you for attempting it. hope it all works out - major contribution here! +rep!

Thanks man its been interesting thats for sure...


Ok so far the differences are:

1. There are atleat 1 of the two crossmembers on a FWD that are different. The Rear Crossmember may or may nor be the same as the QT front Crossmember
EX: The front Crossmember on a FWD is a flat bar and on a QT it looks to have a dip in it for accomidate the exhaust to hang a bit lower.

2. There is an exhaust hanger that attaches to the mid muffler that isnt on a FWD but is on a QT so to the dealer for that little item...

3. The E-brake cables for a FWD are longer than a QT's cables so they will be replaced. Now it not totally necessary to replace them as i was able to route them as they origianlly were but on the driver side the cable can't exqctly fit around the fuel tank so it cuts across the bottom of the tank and hangs about an inch from the tank. (It works but its to low for me so they will be replaced)

4. The fuel gauge....... Its not working because i still need to figure out this little electrical issue. It reads full even with just 5 gal of gas in her...Or i guess i can get a fuel pump with the sender built into it... Anyone have one they want to donate to me???


So far the things ive listed are very easy fixes.. But i guess for the next person to do this they will know and can be better prepared with their parts list...Being that im the Guinea pib for the B7 model..

vizi

[viziers]

So after this conversion is done then its going in the shop on June 3rd to have the bottom end done Forged rods and a CM fx400 Stage3 clutch. Then onto the GT3076r


vizi

[viziers]

1/2" impact gun pushing 1100ft/lb? you sure its not 3/4 or 1"?

good luck with the conversion.

Yup good ole 1/2" S&K Impact guns....


vizi

[viziers]

good luck, post a DIY!!! not sure how many people would attempt this!

props to you sir

Yes the DIY is comming soon.. Just gotta get it all compiled together and in order. Ill also list the different parts i needed that AWD uses and FWD doesn't.


vizi

[redlabel81]

Crazy!! In a good way :) You must really love your car!
How much do you think this is going to run you when it's all done?

[viziers]

It was roughly $1500 for all parts.. Can be more if you don't shop around take your time to locate parts at good prices plus haggling a bit never hurts either...


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[IceMole]

vizi you still need to know about that crossmember brace?

[Josh_877]

damn i havent posted in the b7 section in a long time....and i see this!

haha this is crazy! good luck tho vizi

[viziers]

vizi you still need to know about that crossmember brace?

yes i do IceNole thank you..


vizi

[viziers]

damn i havent posted in the b7 section in a long time....and i see this!

haha this is crazy! good luck tho vizi

Ha ha... yea it was bound to happen sometime..Im lad i was the first B7 to do it to.. Atleast i think im the first to do it on a B7...lol Thanks Josh....


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[viziers]

Adrian from Euro Source Auto is gonna check to see the differences in the Fuel pump harness from my tank to the tank i have now for the fuel gauge..

vizi

[rusty91]

wow! props to you man for attempting this! good luck!

[viziers]

wow! props to you man for attempting this! good luck!

Thanks Man.... Hope if my time frame works out ill have the motor done in 2 weeks as well for the other mods...


vizi

[cstarky15]

should be interesting when all done.

for the crossmembers under the car. I only see one and it is closer to the front wheels. this is a picture of my car: the red is part of the exhaust and the green is the cross member:

[Subaru71]

hey, glad to see you finally started! As far as the exhaust goes, that little brace that it is hitting is definitely no there on quattros, but it should have quite a bit of clearance near the CV joints.. so there must be something wrong..

I would say try to remove and wiggle the rear subframe? Maybe the bolts are different than the FWD versions?

And also to everyone else bashing him on this..

1. This car is easier to convert than almost anything.. the engine is longitudinal.. the tranny is in the same place.. its just missing the stuff in the rear.

2. Its actually BETTER that he is converting a car that comes in quattro.. because all the parts are readily available and he can be sure that they all bolt up correctly.. a conversion on another car would involve all kinds of gears and linkage to get the power back.. and then it would still not have enough research to have the AWD working the way you want it to.

3. It would be much harder to go rwd.. because the car has a center differential and a front differential. you would have to invent your own rwd transmission.. which gets costly.

Viz if you need any help let me know.. I've had my rear end off my car before.. so I kinda still remember how everything goes.. also I can look through the repair manual for you. Good Luck!

[AE Performance]

Subscribed! Awesome work!!

[MichiganAudiDvr]

This must be the #1 most stupid thing I have ever seen someone try to do on this forum.

That said...enjoy the immense frustration you are about to cause yourself...I'll pray that it all works once you get all 4 wheels back on.

[viziers]

This must be the #1 most stupid thing I have ever seen someone try to do on this forum.

That said...enjoy the immense frustration you are about to cause yourself...I'll pray that it all works once you get all 4 wheels back on.

Im not trying to be rude but you really dont know what you are talking about this HAS already been done to a B6, and mine is DONE except for the tranny and drive shaft which is going in while the motor is being built. and the QUATTRO system is purely mechanical!!!!!


vizi

[viziers]

should be interesting when all done.

for the crossmembers under the car. I only see one and it is closer to the front wheels. this is a picture of my car: the red is part of the exhaust and the green is the cross member:

Thats awesome that helps immensly (sp?) SO there is only 1 crossmember and it is in the from and IS angles.. cool. Thank you very much...

+rep for ya my friend...


vizi

[cstarky15]

Thats awesome that helps immensly (sp?) SO there is only 1 crossmember and it is in the from and IS angles.. cool. Thank you very much...

+rep for ya my friend...


vizi

You bet. Let me know if you'd like a better picture of it. Hmm, I'll go drive it up on the ramp and see what I can get you right now.

[viziers]

Where the 7" crossmember bar attaches to the body don't know it the QT has it or not but need to know.. Pic shows where it hits and there is a lot of preassure on that bar frpm the exhaust....

I dont know if ya saw this pic but here is the bar that is on a FWD its just behind the mid muffler on the bottom of the pic.

And i have Adrian from Euro Source Auto looking at the fuel tank wireing for a Qt tank..


vizi

[viziers]

hey, glad to see you finally started! As far as the exhaust goes, that little brace that it is hitting is definitely no there on quattros, but it should have quite a bit of clearance near the CV joints.. so there must be something wrong..

I would say try to remove and wiggle the rear subframe? Maybe the bolts are different than the FWD versions?

And also to everyone else bashing him on this..

1. This car is easier to convert than almost anything.. the engine is longitudinal.. the tranny is in the same place.. its just missing the stuff in the rear.

2. Its actually BETTER that he is converting a car that comes in quattro.. because all the parts are readily available and he can be sure that they all bolt up correctly.. a conversion on another car would involve all kinds of gears and linkage to get the power back.. and then it would still not have enough research to have the AWD working the way you want it to.

3. It would be much harder to go rwd.. because the car has a center differential and a front differential. you would have to invent your own rwd transmission.. which gets costly.

Viz if you need any help let me know.. I've had my rear end off my car before.. so I kinda still remember how everything goes.. also I can look through the repair manual for you. Good Luck!

Thank you very much i sure will.......

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

I can Imagine you are dumping your exhaust for a new one right ?

Looks like you did.

FYI for the rest: FWD and QT exhaust are significantly different.

[cstarky15]

Here is a picture of it from the front of the car looking back:



and just for you the part number 8E0-804-813-C It is held in place by 4 screws

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

I have an in tank fuel pump just sitting in my garage PM me if you are interested.

Did you switch to the smaller QT fuel tank ???

[MichiganAudiDvr]

Im not trying to be rude but you really dont know what you are talking about this HAS already been done to a B6, and mine is DONE except for the tranny and drive shaft which is going in while the motor is being built. and the QUATTRO system is purely mechanical!!!!!


vizi

So what? What's the point of "retro" modding AWD? Still stupid. In the end you just get what everyone else has from the factory - only your "retro version" will never officially have AWD when you run the VIN.

Why not buy a different car if you want Quattro. Lot easier, and will probably cost you much less if you are smart about your purchase and sale.

[Ur-Quattro]

This must be the #1 most stupid thing I have ever seen someone try to do on this forum.

That said...enjoy the immense frustration you are about to cause yourself...I'll pray that it all works once you get all 4 wheels back on.

In regards to the second worthless contribution you just made to this discussion, obviously you didn't even bother to, ya know, READ THE THREAD. He specifically says there is no plan to sell the car......jackass

What did the hand say to the face again....?



Good luck, vizi - +rep to you for this, as well!

[viziers]

So what? What's the point of "retro" modding AWD? Still stupid. In the end you just get what everyone else has from the factory - only your "retro version" will never officially have AWD when you run the VIN.

Why not buy a different car if you want Quattro. Lot easier, and will probably cost you much less if you are smart about your purchase and sale.

Well if you read the whold thread you would see why i have not traded this in for a QT.......Oh and no its is cheaer for me to do the conversion than to buy one that already has QT!!!!

Just because the VIN says its a FWD it doesnt take a genius to look under the car to see that its a QT

vizi

[viziers]

I can Imagine you are dumping your exhaust for a new one right ?

Looks like you did.

FYI for the rest: FWD and QT exhaust are significantly different.

yea i went with the Satsis QT exhaust i picked it up from the good man Subaru71. thanks agaon man!!!!


vizi

[viziers]

Here is a picture of it from the front of the car looking back:



and just for you the part number 8E0-804-813-C It is held in place by 4 screws

Yup thats the baby i need!!!!! Thanks a bunch again cstarky15...


vizi

[viziers]

I have an in tank fuel pump just sitting in my garage PM me if you are interested.

If need be i sure will thanks a bunch.....

Did you switch to the smaller QT fuel tank ???

Nope this sucker is a tight fit and took i think about 17gal from being completly empty....


vizi

[viziers]

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Good luck, vizi - +rep to you for this, as well!

Thanks man i appreciate it...


vizi

[ringofsteel]

vizi, fuck that negative dooooooosch! Awesome on the build. Some people may have forgotten how to BUILD cars. SOME people think that you should just buy it having someone else do the work. That is straight laziness. Hot rods, choppers, euro are about customizing and making ones own. Props to you have the money,time effort, imagination to take this on.

oh and this coming from a LAWYER answers alot, and having:

* About MichiganAudiDvr

Current Vehicle Modifications:
APR 93, RS4 Rear Sway Bar, APR Snub Mount, LED city lights, E-Code Bi-Xenon conversion, 15/35% Tint, "G" revision diverter valve, new high pressure fuel pump and cam.
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06 Audi A4Q 2.0T, Arctic White

Why didnt you just save your time and money and buy a used car with all this already on it.?? DOOOOOOSCH BAG!

[Msu2312]

all i can say is good for you for doing this:) ignore the haters and shoot us pics when its done ! +rep

[viziers]

Thank you all for the support, It is greatly appreciated...

Ill be posting up pics as well as a DIY with pics along the way...


vizi

[Subaru71]

:D

[4RingRook]

Kick ass project!

Props to you vizi!

[4RingRook]

So what? What's the point of "retro" modding AWD? Still stupid. In the end you just get what everyone else has from the factory - only your "retro version" will never officially have AWD when you run the VIN.

Why not buy a different car if you want Quattro. Lot easier, and will probably cost you much less if you are smart about your purchase and sale.