cayenne brake upgrade ???? what rotors????

[Timtheguru]

Center bore is perfect, and what to do about the bolt patern? Just drill them with a 3/4" bit. Just be sure to apply 90ft/lbs of torque to the lug bolts/nuts when you mount the wheels (depending on if you have studs or not).

From my post:

"Also, the holes for the lug bolts on the V70R rotors only need a little bit trimmed outward, I didn't have a 3/4" drill bit so I used a round file and filed it down, after C-Clamping (x2) the rotor to one of the C230 rotors and using the 9/16" drill bit through the C230 rotor.. worked like a charm. :)""

[canadianA4B7]

i have been sourcing all these parts over the last little while. Most is in the mail i only need to buy stainless lines as i bought rubber and want stainless. An im still looking into pads. Likely i should get the smaller 330 ebc pads on my 18z calipers but i just have not decided. Great informative thread. You have done everything to explain every aspect verywell. Im from the B7 section yet all the stuff used on my car was sourced as per suggestions from you all.

And 1515 complete. Minus a few 100 for my stock B7 brakes and the extra set of S4 rear calipers. I hope to be all in complete at around $1100 all said and done


Heres what ive got so far

Completely rebuild and powder coated 18Z calipers $600 i think
Mercedes ML55 AMG rotors 345x32. $130 shipped
Pads undecidedlikely EBC RED OR YELLOW size not sure which ill decide. $200 is my guess
Hardware front brake lines rubber $85 will change all to stainless so likely another $100 but may just do front stainless
Complete rear S4 calipers, new rotors, new pads, dust shields $450 shipped ill have a set of S4 rear calipers up for sale soon as i get them delivered contact if theres interest
So running total fronts and rears. $1515!!!!

May have missed something. But im thinking this isnt too bad for complete fronts and rears.

[canadianA4B7]

Can someone confirm this is the RED STUFF 330mm/touareg brake pad part number DP3997C? Im going to lookthrough this thread again but i just cannot remeber which thread had posted the part number for pads.

[bobkatkat]

I am not sure if anybody has put one of these up here before but here it is anyway. These rotors all will work with some tweaking. Please add your experience with all of thes

I personally know that:

1. the ML55 work with on a 18z with 18z pads just have to grind the pins in the caliper as it does not run perfectly in the center and open up the center bore a bit.

2. I also have tried both the GL versions and both the 17z and the 18z can use the 17z pads, you have to grind the uprights more but the caliper will center on the rotor perfectly. Once again you have to open the bore.

Of the three I have tried the 350 mm GL look the best, look the biggest & run the centered on the caliper and the 17z pads fit the surface perfectly but are very heavy!!! 29lbs!!!!!!!.

I am going to be switching over to the girodisk ones as they are light and fit perfectly.

[Austonwerner4]

Google audibbkparts.
That's the best price on hardware that I found.

[GT3_BBK]

Google audibbkparts.
That's the best price on hardware that I found.

Is this the right one I need? http://audibbkparts.bigcartel.com/pr...dware-for-audi

[S4 00 2.7]

I am not sure if anybody has put one of these up here before but here it is anyway. These rotors all will work with some tweaking. Please add your experience with all of thes

I personally know that:

1. the ML55 work with on a 18z with 18z pads just have to grind the pins in the caliper as it does not run perfectly in the center and open up the center bore a bit.

2. I also have tried both the GL versions and both the 17z and the 18z can use the 17z pads, you have to grind the uprights more but the caliper will center on the rotor perfectly. Once again you have to open the bore.

Of the three I have tried the 350 mm GL look the best, look the biggest & run the centered on the caliper and the 17z pads fit the surface perfectly but are very heavy!!! 29lbs!!!!!!!.

I am going to be switching over to the girodisk ones as they are light and fit perfectly.

+1 on girodisc

[udcc11]

I am not sure if anybody has put one of these up here before but here it is anyway. These rotors all will work with some tweaking. Please add your experience with all of thes

I personally know that:

1. the ML55 work with on a 18z with 18z pads just have to grind the pins in the caliper as it does not run perfectly in the center and open up the center bore a bit.

2. I also have tried both the GL versions and both the 17z and the 18z can use the 17z pads, you have to grind the uprights more but the caliper will center on the rotor perfectly. Once again you have to open the bore.

Of the three I have tried the 350 mm GL look the best, look the biggest & run the centered on the caliper and the 17z pads fit the surface perfectly but are very heavy!!! 29lbs!!!!!!!.

I am going to be switching over to the girodisk ones as they are light and fit perfectly.

The Audi rotors are too thin I believe.

[LINDW4LL]

Best Rotor Choices (Single Piece):

18Z
ML55 AMG

17Z
C230 Sport
Volvo V70R

[Austonwerner4]

Is this the right one I need? http://audibbkparts.bigcartel.com/pr...dware-for-audi

Yes thats it

Best Rotor Choices (Single Piece):

18Z
ML55 AMG

17Z
C230 Sport
Volvo V70R

I agree with this

[Hyphy]

What about two piece? Girodisk or racing brake? Who has run these?

[Timtheguru]

Yes thats it



I agree with this

C230 rotor needs to be killed, it "Works" but it is the wrong spec thickness for the caliper, actually it's at the bare minimum.

[gmdiluca]

I am not sure if anybody has put one of these up here before but here it is anyway. These rotors all will work with some tweaking. Please add your experience with all of thes

I personally know that:

1. the ML55 work with on a 18z with 18z pads just have to grind the pins in the caliper as it does not run perfectly in the center and open up the center bore a bit.

2. I also have tried both the GL versions and both the 17z and the 18z can use the 17z pads, you have to grind the uprights more but the caliper will center on the rotor perfectly. Once again you have to open the bore.

Of the three I have tried the 350 mm GL look the best, look the biggest & run the centered on the caliper and the 17z pads fit the surface perfectly but are very heavy!!! 29lbs!!!!!!!.

I am going to be switching over to the girodisk ones as they are light and fit perfectly.

I'm about to install 18z pads with ML55 rotors… haven't heard about this modification of the calliper pins before? I've heard other people bolt them up just fine? the over hang seems minuscule.

[Timtheguru]

I believe the pins become an interference item with the rotor when the wheel bearing and hub have either A) worked their way outward or B) not pressed in all the way.

There is no retainer on the front wheel bearings, like a circlip, so these are prone to movement. Even the axle bolt will not hold the bearing into the upright. This is probably only applicable to steel uprights, though.

[canadianA4B7]

Ive also got the front and rear bbks going onto my B7 using 18z calipers and ml55 rotors. Ive read this thread 2x now. And it was recently i read about the pins. Im going to take pics of what i can when i install. Ill do my best to measure this clearence. But its good to know prior to install. And after about 12 hours of pad searching it seems the the hawk pads have the least amount of overhang...... So i bought them today. Minimal track use so im not to concerned about pads.

Glad this info was all posted.

[gmdiluca]

What part if Ontario are you from? And I got the hawk Hps in the 350mm size. Which did you order? I did some more research and asked another guy on this forum who is running my exact set up and he never modified the clips. A year later and no issues.

[LoonyBoyo]

just wack on merc ml 350mm discs and ferodo premier pads

[gmdiluca]

just wack on merc ml 350mm discs and ferodo premier pads

Thats my plan but with the Hawks. idk where this clip mod came from. while were on the discussion of pads though, whats the best track pads for the porsche calliper setups?

[LINDW4LL]

Thats my plan but with the Hawks. idk where this clip mod came from. while were on the discussion of pads though, whats the best track pads for the porsche calliper setups?

EBC YellowStuf

And I haven't heard of anyone having to modify the caliper pins with the ML55 rotors... It should be centered.

[canadianA4B7]

What part if Ontario are you from? And I got the hawk Hps in the 350mm size. Which did you order? I did some more research and asked another guy on this forum who is running my exact set up and he never modified the clips. A year later and no issues.

Niagara on the lake. Bout an hour or so to Vaughan. Thanx for the info! Good to hear from a moderately local member. Bought same pads you got. For the 350mm 18Z setup. I'll. File a bit off them if it's required. Otherwise just gonna install and enjoy


heres what ill be working with

[gmdiluca]

Too bad you weren't any closer. A lot of good meets around here. I picked up the rotors and pads today. They don't seem to overhang very much, at least not enough to cause an issue. good luck with the kit.

[canadianA4B7]

So i have a problem. How do i trick the car into thinking the pads are in good condition/ not worn down. The pads i bought DO NOT have the sensors built into them. Now i assume a resistor might solve this? Anyone that can help please do! Cars torn down and need to get it back together b4 subday!

[Timtheguru]

So i have a problem. How do i trick the car into thinking the pads are in good condition/ not worn down. The pads i bought DO NOT have the sensors built into them. Now i assume a resistor might solve this? Anyone that can help please do! Cars torn down and need to get it back together b4 subday!

All you need is to connect the two wires together, aka bridge the connection.

I used the old sensor connectors from a set of worn out pads and twisted the wires together and heat shrunk the connection with weatherproof heatshrink stuff.

[canadianA4B7]

All you need is to connect the two wires together, aka bridge the connection.

I used the old sensor connectors from a set of worn out pads and twisted the wires together and heat shrunk the connection with weatherproof heatshrink stuff.

I had just considered this! Was going to just use a stake on connector that fits into the plug in and tape/heat shrink it. Thanx ill post up some pics later. Quite the job!

[canadianA4B7]

Whats everybody doing w the new brake lnes? Theres no longer the metal mounting bracket? Im worried the line may come n contact with the axle? Ty-wrap it to the wheel speed sensor?

[TEXAS TWIN T]

I made a bracket something like the B7 RS4 uses...

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...stalled…

[GT3_BBK]

I have a hardware bolt set for sale.

[gmdiluca]

Just had my setup installed today!


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[zatch_303]

Looks good! Love the ch's too!

[PenTico]

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just got done with powdercoating 18z in gold!

[Flad.Solo.View]

give me an advice
will 17Z fit Avus R18" with ET45 (Audi A6 C5 1.8T FWD)?
my stock ET is 35 for J8" wheels + wide calipers...
also what about the weight of Avus wheels?

[LINDW4LL]

They'll fit but you may need spacers

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[Flad.Solo.View]

They'll fit but you may need spacers

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thanks for reply!
i found that they are to heavy for me.. will look for lighter ones

[julex]

How about Audi S5 rotors on 18z calipers. On paper they are pretty much good enough size wise and no mods required to them whatsoever?. They can be gotten in 2-piece design (18.45lb) at ECS for $499 shipped for pair...:

http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Site...AKT/ES2602983/

[LINDW4LL]

Only 30mm thick. ML55 is a great option since you only need to open the center bore.

Has anyone tried the A7 rotor? It's 356x34mm and the height/offset is 1mm taller than the ML55. The center bore is also 68mm already and you get 2mm extra thickness.

[julex]

Only 30mm thick. ML55 is a great option since you only need to open the center bore.

Has anyone tried the A7 rotor? It's 356x34mm and the height/offset is 1mm taller than the ML55. The center bore is also 68mm already and you get 2mm extra thickness.

People are running 28mm C230 rotors without issues so I doubt 30mm will be that detrimental... Brembo pistons extend a long way before there are problems with over extension.

$500 for a two piece rotor set (Shipped) is phenomenal price wise.


can you find 2-piece rotor set for A7 for $500?
356 might be to tall and cause rubbing at caliper (can't fix that)
34mm might be too wide to fit into rotor (you can always shave the pad I guess, and pins if they rub)
A7 are awfully heavy at 30lb each

[LINDW4LL]

@julex Ahh yes, if you are going two piece then those may be a good option as affordable 2pc are difficult to find. I was just saying I would rather have 32mm than 30mm thick. 2pc will obviously provide more benefit.

I don't believe 355mm is an issue but will confirm. Also the OEM Cayenne rotors are 34mm thick so no issues there.

[julex]

@julex Ahh yes, if you are going two piece then those may be a good option as affordable 2pc are difficult to find. I was just saying I would rather have 32mm than 30mm thick. 2pc will obviously provide more benefit.

I don't believe 355mm is an issue but will confirm. Also the OEM Cayenne rotors are 34mm thick so no issues there.

Cool! I will simmer on that ECS S5 option for a bit. Girodisc in 32mm is "only" 1.5x more.....

[Austonwerner4]

Has anyone used the 345x30mm A7 rotors?

[Austonwerner4]

Or S5 since they look to be the same.