cayenne brake upgrade ???? what rotors????

[Hyphy]

Ya you should be fine. Let us know how it goes

For sure

[pucher]

Has anyone tried using the front rotors off of a 09-10 A6? The specs off of these are 347mm X 30mm. Hub and lug pattern would be the same it would just depend on how the rotors are centered in the caliper I would think. Also, do the ML55 rotors with the modifications work on B7's with the 18z calipers?

[mholme]

Anybody looking for 18Z calipers should hop on car-part.com.. Now..

[highPSI-S4]

Anybody looking for 18Z calipers should hop on car-part.com.. Now..

So when you find them doing a search on this site you have to email the company that has them correct, they look to be 250 a caliper.

[mholme]

So when you find them doing a search on this site you have to email the company that has them correct, they look to be 250 a caliper.

Yup. I think that company had a shipping calculator too. I would call and speak with someone though as they may be willing to deal. I got mine shipped for 400 but they were asking 225 each plus shipping.

[quattro_silver]

Yup. I think that company had a shipping calculator too. I would call and speak with someone though as they may be willing to deal. I got mine shipped for 400 but they were asking 225 each plus shipping.

What year Porsche Cayenne are you guys searching? And what size rotors?

[mholme]

What year Porsche Cayenne are you guys searching? And what size rotors?

Don't search for Cayenne, search for a 2004 Touareg and select the brake size you are looking for, either 330mm or 350mm. All the available interchanges from Audi, VW and Porsche will come up. Choose the appropriate sized rotors from the info in this thread.

[quattro_silver]

Don't search for Cayenne, search for a 2004 Touareg and select the brake size you are looking for, either 330mm or 350mm. All the available interchanges from Audi, VW and Porsche will come up. Choose the appropriate sized rotors from the info in this thread.

Thanks for the reply, a couple questions I have:

1) Do you search for 2004 Toureg and then find the Porsche calipers (18Z) that work based on the interchangeable listings?
2) Do you try to keep the calipers (Left and Right) from the same year or does that not even matter? (are any of the years different)
3) Do you then call them up and confirm the condition? If so how (through pics)?
4) What rotors are you going with just out of curiosity, and are you having the calipers rebuilt or powdercoated?

I'm seriously considering doing this BBK, just need some more info.

[mholme]

Just search on car-part, they make it pretty painless. You select L, R, 330 or 350. 17Z= 330mm. 18Z=350mm. 17Z/18Z is not a search option. If someone has them, they'll show up with a rating of quality condition, A,B,C,D, etc. Email the company and ask them anything you want, pictures, condition, whatever. Call them and try to negotiate a shipped price. Most of the time, they will be available as a pair from the same wrecked vehicle. I'm running 345 ML55 rotors for my 350 set up. Seriously, just read the thread for info and search through car-part for the caliper size you want to run.

[quattro_silver]

Just search on car-part, they make it pretty painless. You select L, R, 330 or 350. 17Z= 330mm. 18Z=350mm. 17Z/18Z is not a search option. If someone has them, they'll show up with a rating of quality condition, A,B,C,D, etc. Email the company and ask them anything you want, pictures, condition, whatever. Call them and try to negotiate a shipped price. Most of the time, they will be available as a pair from the same wrecked vehicle. I'm running 345 ML55 rotors for my 350 set up. Seriously, just read the thread for info and search through car-part for the caliper size you want to run.

Thanks buddy!

[protocol_droid]

60 pages on an iPhone Is a lot to keep up with, when having a decent amount of questions to answer first. Sorry for the inconvenience, I saw his other thread. Thanks.

So any year of the ml55 amg works.
Modification required is opening up the hub by 1mm (or smaller), and grinding down the spindle a bit. Got it.

Great thread.

I was under the impression that no grinding was needed going the ml55 route. The grinding was for wider rotors?

[witwer4444]

I was under the impression that no grinding was needed going the ml55 route. The grinding was for wider rotors?

also wondering about this for a buddy of mine

[mholme]

I was under the impression that no grinding was needed going the ml55 route. The grinding was for wider rotors?

ML55 rotors did not clear for me without grinding.

[protocol_droid]

ML55 rotors did not clear for me without grinding.

So it's just like the ecs stage kit pdf shown earlier., i.e. trim the spindle a bit. For the ML55 rotor, open up the center portion ca. 1mm and all should be good. Okay, thanks for clearing that up for everyone.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

So who's using what pads?

I just noticed today while looking for new Hawk pads that the Touareg pads are approx 7mm shorter then the Cayenne pads, which would probably work out just fine seeing as the Cayenne pads overhang a few mm towards the hub on my ML55 rotors anyways.

Just want to know if anyone else is running them

[S4 00 2.7]

Gotta do this. Subscribed!

[Grooner]

So who's using what pads?

I just noticed today while looking for new Hawk pads that the Touareg pads are approx 7mm shorter then the Cayenne pads, which would probably work out just fine seeing as the Cayenne pads overhang a few mm towards the hub on my ML55 rotors anyways.

Just want to know if anyone else is running them

Interesting & thanks for the info. I'm running a set of Duralast Gold C-Max pads for the Cayenne & I must say, these pads are pretty damn good for the money! No squealing, low dust & they bite hard w/ no noticeable brake fade. Have put about 5K on them so far & I've been extremely pleased w/ em.

I bought the smaller 17Z pads & shaved em a little w/ a die grinder to alleviate the overhang like you mentioned...I have 18Z's matched to some GL450 rotors.

[Shomegrown]

So who's using what pads?

I just noticed today while looking for new Hawk pads that the Touareg pads are approx 7mm shorter then the Cayenne pads, which would probably work out just fine seeing as the Cayenne pads overhang a few mm towards the hub on my ML55 rotors anyways.

Just want to know if anyone else is running them

I've been running EBC Red Stuff for about 5 years on these and am very happy - better performance, less noise, and less dust than the OEM Pagids. Cheap too.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

I've been running EBC Red Stuff for about 5 years on these and am very happy - better performance, less noise, and less dust than the OEM Pagids. Cheap too.

good to know.. thanks for the info guys...

I'm very happy with the HPS's, but I'm down to try other things as well... maybe I'll give the EBC reds a shot... gonna look into them some more. I assume they're a HPS competitor.

Edit... well the EBS reds are NOT what I would call cheap... can you get me the part no. you're using?

I believe the ones I need are: DP31473C and theyre $270 CDN, and roughly $200 USD... wow...

most retailers sell the HPS's for $120 USD FWIW

[Shomegrown]

good to know.. thanks for the info guys...

I'm very happy with the HPS's, but I'm down to try other things as well... maybe I'll give the EBC reds a shot... gonna look into them some more. I assume they're a HPS competitor.

Edit... well the EBS reds are NOT what I would call cheap... can you get me the part no. you're using?

I believe the ones I need are: DP31473C and theyre $270 CDN, and roughly $200 USD... wow...

most retailers sell the HPS's for $120 USD FWIW

I'll be honest, I haven't priced or ordered a set for a few years. I think I paid about $140 for the last set - got them from Car Stuff. Looks like the price has gone up a lot since then.

http://www.car-stuff.com/store/porsc...tings+Page%3A2

[Cadiburns]

I just ordered a set of Hawk HPS pads. Not sure on exact fitment yet because my calipers are getting painted right now. Seemed like a decent deal though. $107 for the fronts. I'm pretty pumped to finally have better front brakes. My stockers were struggling.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...00_i00_details

[NOTORIOUS VR]

I like the HPS' a lot.. good bite, less fade... and low dust compared to OEM pads...

They're not track pads by any means, but quite a bit better then OEM for sure.

[qship]

I recommend against ECS rotors if you ever track the car (probably fine for street use). Mine got severe cracking propogating from the cross drilled holes after one good day at the track w/ race pads. I'd try the JHM rotors or the ones from racingbrakes.com (http://forums.racingbrake.com/showthread.php?t=235) as a better option. Kinda spendy upfront but after you have the hats the rotor rings aren't too bad and it'll be a solid rotor setup you can have confidence in. I must admit, after my trouble w/ the ECS Cayenne kit rotors I removed them from the car and have them sitting in the garage. I've switched over to 4 wheel Stoptechs which have far superior pedal feel and modulation in my opinion. Also much more options on pads and I don't have to science out a rear setup that matches. The car stops WAY better w/ the stoptechs than it did w/ the Cayenne front/stock rear but that isn't necessarily the most fair comparison as the ECS setup was run w/ totally stock rears. I know the StopTechs aren't the cheapest option but I do a lot of track events I don't mind the expensive route for a system on the car I don't want to take any chances with from a safety standpoint. I have put a StopTech front kit w/ the 034 rear 300mm upgrade on my brothers car and it works great judging by the couple times I've borrowed his car. That kit uses a nice B7 S4 rear disc but I believe racingbrakes.com also has a 2 piece option for that as well.

[S4 00 2.7]

I just ordered a set of Hawk HPS pads. Not sure on exact fitment yet because my calipers are getting painted right now. Seemed like a decent deal though. $107 for the fronts. I'm pretty pumped to finally have better front brakes. My stockers were struggling.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...00_i00_details

I got Hawk HPS pads because that is what I used to run on my last car. Very happy with them.

[Shomegrown]

I recommend against ECS rotors if you ever track the car (probably fine for street use). Mine got severe cracking propogating from the cross drilled holes after one good day at the track w/ race pads. I'd try the JHM rotors or the ones from racingbrakes.com (http://forums.racingbrake.com/showthread.php?t=235) as a better option. Kinda spendy upfront but after you have the hats the rotor rings aren't too bad and it'll be a solid rotor setup you can have confidence in. I must admit, after my trouble w/ the ECS Cayenne kit rotors I removed them from the car and have them sitting in the garage. I've switched over to 4 wheel Stoptechs which have far superior pedal feel and modulation in my opinion. Also much more options on pads and I don't have to science out a rear setup that matches. The car stops WAY better w/ the stoptechs than it did w/ the Cayenne front/stock rear but that isn't necessarily the most fair comparison as the ECS setup was run w/ totally stock rears. I know the StopTechs aren't the cheapest option but I do a lot of track events I don't mind the expensive route for a system on the car I don't want to take any chances with from a safety standpoint. I have put a StopTech front kit w/ the 034 rear 300mm upgrade on my brothers car and it works great judging by the couple times I've borrowed his car. That kit uses a nice B7 S4 rear disc but I believe racingbrakes.com also has a 2 piece option for that as well.

Pro-Tip - the ECS rotors are avaiable slotted too (no holes). If you track the car, get those next time.

[Korben007]

Has anyone tried using the front rotors off of a 09-10 A6? The specs off of these are 347mm X 30mm. Hub and lug pattern would be the same it would just depend on how the rotors are centered in the caliper I would think. Also, do the ML55 rotors with the modifications work on B7's with the 18z calipers?

Anyone dare try these yet? Or get the backspacing?

[ECS Tuning-Audi]

Any one looking for ML55 rotors that's using 18z calipers we have them available below. Please note that these are OE Mercedez rotors and slight modification to the center bore will need to be made to fit your hub.

Click HERE to order or for more information.


Let me know if you have any questions.

Jason

[Cadiburns]

[sscunk]

I know this has been done so I wanted to see if someone can help me out with this. I just finally picked up a set of cayenne calipers for the front on my s4. I need to know what rotors and lines I need. I am pretty sure I read b7 rs4 front rotors or c63 rotors but cant find the info again. I also think this is the same caliper as the 6 piston rs4 brakes as well is it not? What style lines would be good to know to but I think b7 rs4 lines would work. Any help would be greatly appreciate as I am lost and dont want to do trial and error and searched my brains out.

i got s4 b5 with cayenne brakes all the guy did was machine off 0.5mm off the disc (rotor to you guys i think )

[michael66899]

I've always thought it was very odd that everyone runs a 32mm wide rotor when the OEM VW/Porsche/Audi rotor is actually 34mm. JHM rotors are 32s and RB are only 30s for some stupid unknown reason, all I know is I wouldn't want to track the car with either. Also the ML55 rotor will work but it does sit ever so slightly off center in the caliper which can cause some uneven pad wear side to side. One of the vendors on here will be advertising a new 2-piece rotor for this set up made by one of the best in the business that I think you guys will all be very excited about.

[Hyphy]

I've always thought it was very odd that everyone runs a 32mm wide rotor when the OEM VW/Porsche/Audi rotor is actually 34mm. JHM rotors are 32s and RB are only 30s for some stupid unknown reason, all I know is I wouldn't want to track the car with either. Also the ML55 rotor will work but it does sit ever so slightly off center in the caliper which can cause some uneven pad wear side to side. One of the vendors on here will be advertising a new 2-piece rotor for this set up made by one of the best in the business that I think you guys will all be very excited about.

Yeah, hopefully the rotor isn't anywhere near what JHM sell theirs for.

[michael66899]

Yeah, hopefully the rotor isn't anywhere near what JHM sell theirs for.

Ya gotta pay to play, any proper two piece rotor pair is at least $700. At least when they're done you can just replace rings for 400-500.

[Hyphy]

Ya gotta pay to play, any proper two piece rotor is at least $700.

Agreed. But when you have shops do it for a side job and not actually produce it for shelf sales (if you will), it will become a pita to have them make some new rings..I think that's why everyone still goes with jhm because they'll be around for sure...the $700 will pay for itself in the long run.

[ECS Tuning-Audi]

We offer re-ring services for the rotors we sell. You can choose completely new rotors or you can re-use your old hat and we'll put a new ring on with new hardware.

Jason

[JDM EJ1 95]

SEXY

lol

[NOTORIOUS VR]

Can someone confirm some part #'s for me?

Specifically for the EBC reds? What are they using on an 18Z setup...

Is it possible to use the 17Z pads in an 18Z caliper in order to reduce overhang on the ML55 rotors?

[michael66899]

Can someone confirm some part #'s for me?

Specifically for the EBC reds? What are they using on an 18Z setup...

Is it possible to use the 17Z pads in an 18Z caliper in order to reduce overhang on the ML55 rotors?

Here's pad dimensions for both of them, I'm not sure if they will work or not.

http://genesis.centricparts.com/images/10X10070.JPG

http://genesis.centricparts.com/images/10X09770.JPG

[.:RS4]

Got my hands on 17Z calipers from a local guy ($200) will be going on my 05 USP. Spent most of the day digging info =) so I am quite familiar with the swap and what needs to be done, but here is where I didn't find much info on: I would love to fit 345mm rotors with these calipers, and I can make the brackets, but has anyone done this yet to B6 platform? Just want to hear some opinions on whether it would be worth time and effort and what problems I would run into. Appreciate all the input of everyone on here. You guys make life much easier!

[NOTORIOUS VR]

Here's pad dimensions for both of them, I'm not sure if they will work or not.

http://genesis.centricparts.com/images/10X10070.JPG

http://genesis.centricparts.com/images/10X09770.JPG

Interesting... so it does look like the pads will work in either, but if you want less overhang @ the bottom you go with a 17Z pad in an 18Z setup in our case.

[Cadiburns]

Interesting... so it does look like the pads will work in either, but if you want less overhang @ the bottom you go with a 17Z pad in an 18Z setup in our case.

If you do this, let us know. I'm pretty sure the caliper is physically the same between the 17z and 18z. The difference is the mounting is extended on the 18z to allow larger calipers.