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    GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

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    After many months of R&D and product testing, GIAC is proud to announce the release performance calibrations for the B8 2.0TSI platform (ME 17 ECU). Switching options include Pump, Stock, Race (for manual transmission vehicles only), and Valet programming. GIAC’s version 5 Flashloader Handheld Switcher is ME 17 UDS compatible. Pump software delivers 22-34 HP and 34 – 48 Ft-lbs of TQ over stock. (Ranges reflect differences in intake and exhaust upgrades as well as varying levels of fuel.) One would not know it from the smooth, satisfying drive ability of this programming, but the road to release had a technically interesting curve.

    We determined early on in our ME 17 development that modifying only the maps of the ECU was relatively simple. We knew that the hard part of developing a product line for the ME 17 family of ECUs was writing software that would protect our proprietary calibrations from competitive interests and would feature the multi-program switching options that enthusiasts have come to expect from GIAC. Only a couple of companies (including GIAC) have the ability to offer encryption or program switching for the older, more accessible MED9 TFSI computers. As a result of these more challenging objectives, a large part of the task, about 70% of the R&D time, was spent developing new tools and programs to completely disassemble the ME 17 controllers in the VAG 2.0TSI cars. This process started with the MK5 2.0TSI and carried over to the B8 platform, as both vehicles use ME 17 computers. Thanks to an impressive effort from GIAC’s engineering team, GIAC is now the first company to offer full software switching and encryption in its software for all 2.0TSI applications.

    Another road block in development for this product line was the UDS communication protocol used in the late model Audis. After the matters of file structure, encryption, and switching were sorted out, GIAC turned its focus to integrating the new product line into its distribution channel. GIAC supports over 200 distributors worldwide with proprietary flashing tools and software created and developed in-house by GIAC. Supporting such a complex distribution network requires that new products are released and integrated seamlessly. GIAC engineers worked to incorporate B8 ME17 flashing into the existing GIAC Serial Flash Programming Suite. Additionally, they worked to make our existing flashing tools compatible with the new UDS gateway used in the B8. Now with just an upgrade patch program, all GIAC distributors can flash 2008 and later 2.0TSI cars with their existing GIAC flash cables. This flashing suite flashes the complete ECU (not just maps) through the OBD port. Flash installation (no soldering) leaves the ECU 100% in tact physically and visually. GIAC installers and factory OEM dealerships can flash over GIAC code at any time.

    While GIAC programmers set about developing software switching and encryption, the calibration team went to work on the performance tuning. The GIAC calibration team conducted numerous dynamometer tests using 91 octane fuel on GIAC’s in-house 4WD Mustang dynamometer. Prototype programs based on in-house testing were road tested in selected Beta test vehicles. Beta-tested software was modified slightly based on driver feedback and final in-house dyno testing was completed. GIAC will testing will now move to the manual transmission B8 A4 to be released in February, 2009, as our initial beta test car was a tiptronic model. The current software release pertains to the tiptronic B8 A4. This thread will be updated as we complete testing for manual transmission vehicles. We will also continue testing as basic upgrades become more widely available to ensure that GIAC customers are able to personalize their A4 as they see fit, and retain the top notch power gains and smooth drive ability they expect from GIAC software.

    Also, beginning 1/27/2009 and continuing up to 02/14/2009 (promotion ends at the end of the business day on 2/14/2009), for each new flash purchased for a B8 A4, GIAC customers will receive a free stock program and new Version 5 UDS compatible GIAC Handheld Flashloader. Please inquire with your nearest GIAC dealer to set an appointment: http://www.giacusa.com/dealermap.


    Link to B8 A4 section on the GIAC website: http://www.giacusa.com/programs.php?mpid=118

    Available programs:
    • Stock: Similar to the original factory programming
    • Pump: Performance programming designed for 91-octane fuel
    • Race: Performance programming designed for race gas (100-octane)
    • Valet: Designed to put the car in an operable but significantly
    detuned state.






    Last edited by Austin@GIAC; 01-26-2009 at 10:59 PM.

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Good stuff guys!

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Awesome! Really glad to see this being released, and congrats on being the first to it!

    Any local Socal B8 owners who would like to have their A4 flashed with this new GIAC software are welcome to give us a call to set up an appt and we'll be happily honor the free flashloader / stock program offer mentioned in the original post!

    GIAC!

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    So stoked to see the results of the further testings... nice work!

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    is there going to be a tune for automatic cars, since it only states manuel cars??

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    In the last paragraph it clearly says that this is for the Tips and the manuals after.
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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Quote Originally Posted by SignitrSideways View Post
    So stoked to see the results of the further testings... nice work!


    I suppose it would be nice to post the dyno plot

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Good stuff Austin!

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Nice gains. Anyone in the South Florida area, give me a call or email if you'd like to get the reflash installed.
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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Quote Originally Posted by Austin@GIAC View Post
    Pump software delivers 22-34 HP and 34 – 48 Ft-lbs of TQ over stock.
    I didn't understand a word of that post other than the above, but the above sounds great!

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Nice work!
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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Fantastic work as usual.

    If anyone is interested in getting G.I.A.C. software installed onto their B8, please let us know.

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Does the Chiped B8 Make more power than B7 Chipped? thanks!
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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosworth View Post
    Does the Chiped B8 Make more power than B7 Chipped? thanks!
    In order to accurately measure this, we would need to put a B7 on the dyno in the same conditions with the same configuration (tip, quattro v. tip, quattro). The cars would need to have relatively similar mileage (or at least be sufficiently broken in). I don't think it's worth starting a platform war over

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Hi,

    Looks like nice work -- hope you have a similar promotion for the 6MT version of the software when it's ready to go... hint, hint... :-)

    Jim - 2.0T 6MT on order.

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Quote Originally Posted by B5_Jim View Post
    Hi,

    Looks like nice work -- hope you have a similar promotion for the 6MT version of the software when it's ready to go... hint, hint... :-)

    Jim - 2.0T 6MT on order.
    shoot me a PM regarding the matter with all of your information

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Looks like I may be making a trip to STaSIS very soon...

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    WOW thats amazing

    My Audi A4 is 2009 (B8) 1.8 T automatic
    but I am outside USA

    How can I contact you to get my car tuned ??
    Is there a way to do it by myself ??

    Please PM me

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Quote Originally Posted by gtrab View Post
    WOW thats amazing

    My Audi A4 is 2009 (B8) 1.8 T automatic
    but I am outside USA

    How can I contact you to get my car tuned ??
    Is there a way to do it by myself ??

    Please PM me
    The 1.8T flash for the B8 isnt out yet... but they will have one! There is no way to do it by yourself as it requires special hardware to flash the software onto your ECU that is not available to the public.

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    uh...

    so I have to wait until the 1.8T tune gets ready, and even then I would have to drive my car to USA ??

    Is there a way to buy or rent such hardware ??

    My Audi has lots of PROs, but this is the only CON: 160bhp only, 0-100kph in 8 sec...


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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    any idea on when the 6MT tune will be done?

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Dang nice results with just a chip and 91 OCT. I wonder what the gains will be with the exhaust and intake. 201 @ 248 is pretty good. Maybe we'll see 250 @ 300 with the other two pieces?

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Good stuff! What exactly are the specs for "Valet mode"?
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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    What is the difference between version 4 and version 5 flash loader?? I have the version 4 will it work with the B8 A4s?

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Isn't the Giac software like 10-15 hp less than the APR software? Why is this?

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Quote Originally Posted by l1fegam3r View Post
    Isn't the Giac software like 10-15 hp less than the APR software? Why is this?
    Are you comparing the GIAC wheel dyno numbers above to APR's corrected crank values? That's more than a 10-15 hp difference of course.

    My own math shows the two being about head-to-head in terms of horsepower. GIAC shows an increase of 21.5 HP at the wheels... which would be around 24-27 HP at the crank. 24 "under-rated B8 HPs" or 27 "real" ones I'd imagine. Add that to the starting value of 211 HP and you've got about the same number as APR's 234 HP.

    That comparison is really GIAC at 91 Octane and APR at 93 Octane, so GIAC may have an edge in the horsepower numbers, but different dynos, different days, etc. They both look just awesome on paper, and have many happy customers on the forum.

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonR View Post
    They both look just awesome on paper, and have many happy customers on the forum.
    Yup, you really cannot go wrong either way. For most it's simply a personal preference, which brand do they like better...it's like Ruffles vs Lays.

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonR View Post
    Are you comparing the GIAC wheel dyno numbers above to APR's corrected crank values? That's more than a 10-15 hp difference of course.

    My own math shows the two being about head-to-head in terms of horsepower. GIAC shows an increase of 21.5 HP at the wheels... which would be around 24-27 HP at the crank. 24 "under-rated B8 HPs" or 27 "real" ones I'd imagine. Add that to the starting value of 211 HP and you've got about the same number as APR's 234 HP.

    That comparison is really GIAC at 91 Octane and APR at 93 Octane, so GIAC may have an edge in the horsepower numbers, but different dynos, different days, etc. They both look just awesome on paper, and have many happy customers on the forum.
    It should be noted that the numbers GIAC posted are for their lower output file. Dyno numbers for the high output file that has been out for some time now have yet to be posted. GIAC

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    Re: GIAC releases B8 A4 2.0 TSI software with full switching!

    Quote Originally Posted by AE Performance View Post
    It should be noted that the numbers GIAC posted are for their lower output file. Dyno numbers for the high output file that has been out for some time now have yet to be posted. GIAC
    was information about this high output file posted anywhere? i mean i have asked GIAC if there is an improved version of the file for the 6MT, but i did not get an answer...

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    I tuned my A4 2.0T by GIAC software with flashloader option in january 2012. But flashloader option does not work correct. After power off and power on cycle PUMP program automatically activated....no matter which program was before (Stock, Valet, etc).

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    I made video which describe my problem with switching program:

    1. Engine idling
    2. Connecting flashloader and pressing READ.
    3. Switching program to STOCK
    4. Engine stopping
    5. Car closing.
    6. Waiting more then 1 minute
    7. Openning car.
    8. Pressing READ. Flashloader show PUMP((((



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    I wrote to Austin....In first time He answered that there was a bug in the switching code for my ECU which they are going to remedy for me. In additional he said that He will try to have the file ready for my dealer to reflash within the next 24 hours.

    It was in 28 april. After that I wrote him two times.....but I did not receive any reply.
    My dealer says that he did not receive new file for me too.

    In this topic I want to draw attention to my problem.

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    Program switching does not work properly.
    This problem is still not resolved for my A4 B8 2.0T 2009.
    GIAC support has stopped responding(

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    Yesterday we reflash my a4 and problem with program switching was resolved

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex/AWE View Post
    Fantastic work as usual.

    If anyone is interested in getting G.I.A.C. software installed onto their B8, please let us know.

    Toll Free: 888-565-2257

    Does this apply to 2013 models?...different engine programming...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperunion View Post
    Does this apply to 2013 models?...different engine programming...
    GIAC Does have a new file for the B8.5 A4 2.0T. We have flashed several 2013 A4/A5's and i must say it is quite a difference. I highly reccomend it.

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    Does GIAC have a 93 oct. specific tune?(not the 91 oct).
    What needs to be installed for the flash as don't we have the handheld flash option?
    Is GIAC the only company with the handheld flasher?
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