Stock DSMIC Reasonable?

[ConroeS4]

I can get a used stock SMIC for relatively cheap. Has anybody done DSMIC with the stock ic's? Is there performance gains? Would it be possible, etc.
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Cameron

[eurogruppe]

the point of an intercooler is to cool the turbo yes, however if your gonna upgrade, then id just get a FMIC so it actually gets some air

[ConroeS4]

Would it be around the same performance gain as a FMIC, and what kind of tubing/piping would be needed. Also theoretically speaking, I could mount it in the front like a FMIC and have the air run through the stock SMIC first then go to the SMIC that is located in behind the front bumper. I don't know, just a thought

[vinny.dtw]

waste. What is the point? Instead of having one cassette tape, you get two? Doubt it would help much and worth it in the end of the day

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I ran the DSMIC setup for the stealth look and it worked great.

I did before and after dyno runs and the addition of the second intercooler had a huge effect in performance after multiple runs.

[Pothole]

if you have any plans of going to a ko4 or larger i would go to a fmic, the dsmic is more stealth but for a couple extra hundred you will make a much larger improvement even with a stage 1+

as for having the second intercooler in the front ive never seen it so i dont think there is a kit, but anything can be done if you want it

[F16HTON]

There is a kit, Audi offered the DSMIC on the 190HP BEX motor over in Europe.

Not worth the $900 it costs when you factor in the minimal gains.

You just cannot take another intercooler off of an Audi and make it work without a bunch of custom shit

[Papachristou]

Fmic for the money the dsmic costs.. You will notice a sizable power Increase

[Pothole]

yes there is a kit for a dsmic, but i think he wanted the second intercooler to sit where a front mounted intercooler would, ? or i read it wrong

[eurogruppe]

i think he wants to get another driver's side mount and mount it on the passenger side not knowing that its not the same? lol

[ConroeS4]

No I know it's not the same. I'm talking about mounting it in a different location like the front. Okay I'm really asking 2 questions, can you have dual stock smic's hooked up and recieve better performance, and can you mount a SMIC where a FMIC would go. It would work the same wouldnt it?

[eurogruppe]

a front mount will have a better effect than 2 of those small side mounts. Also that side mount is like a box, it will be an awkward mount, along with having to worry about getting custom pipes made for it. Same yourself the time and money and just get a FMIC

[Jet Jockey]

No I know it's not the same. I'm talking about mounting it in a different location like the front. Okay I'm really asking 2 questions, can you have dual stock smic's hooked up and recieve better performance, and can you mount a SMIC where a FMIC would go. It would work the same wouldnt it?

Dude let us be clear here.

You either get Audi's DSMICs and install it the way it is meant to be installed or you get a FMIC. Don’t start reinventing the wheel by using another small OE intercooler and placing it somewhere it is not meant to be.

Now I have had the chance to run with the DSMIC set up on my car with a bigger K04 variant and it was great! If you want to look like a stock car with increase efficiency the DSMIC is for you.

If you want to go bigger then the K04 and want what should be even better efficiency get a good FMIC. The only problem is, it will not look stock and it is more prone to damages especially in a front impact.

[eurogruppe]

thanks jet jockey for clearing it up

[Jet Jockey]

thanks jet jockey for clearing it up

No problem.

BTW, I track my car and even with my bigger K04 the DSMICs did great perhaps not as good as a good FMIC but still pretty good.

It all depends on what your plans are for your car, how you intend to use it and how you want it to look.

[eurogruppe]

how much is a DSMIC kit? i was planning on doing a FMIC this summer on my K03...regardless i just want whats gonna give me the best performance upgrade, and i do love the way FMIC's look.

[michpan]

Neuspeed has a similar kit for sale for $999: http://www.neuspeed.com/products/pro...euro&p_id=1916

Too expensive - it's not worth it imho.


Michael

[ziggituning]

sadly sometimes there are good intentions thrown at bad ideas....the stealth DSMIC is a gread deal, only if you use the right parts. With all the issues you can have with vac leaks, ai flow etc, it is not worth trying to mutilate a oem intercooler into the front bumper area, not to mention the fact that you may be running 2 intercoolers with all kinds of piping etc, and still not have the same end result a simple FMIC would yeild.

Also if you factor in time and all the fabricating involved the benefits are few. I have seen guys do some strange things swapping 2 SMIC into the front of a jetta and so on, they never run right and usually look like crap.

Bottom line if you absolutely want to go DSMIC then get the right parts and spend the $$ it costs, if performance is more important then go FMIC to suit your setup, there are some good kits that can be installed and barely show (if at all, Evolution raceworks for example).

but in the end think it thru wisely to save som headaches in the future.

[Mark]

Neuspeed has a similar kit for sale for $999: http://www.neuspeed.com/products/pro...euro&p_id=1916

Too expensive - it's not worth it imho.


Michael

yikes, I got that kit for 595 (if I remember correctly) 6+ years ago from them. Prices of European parts is sure increasing as the dollar goes down.

Anyways, the OEM DSMIC works fine for me. Never have had a problem with pressure leaks or part failures. I never ran a dyno before and after, but the butt dyno seems to say it helps maintain power on hot days.

[KraftwerkB6]

I know Mike ran the DSMIC because i have his old car, and i ran it for a long time on the KO4 with no problems. Always ran great and was fine for the KO4.

I did happen to get a deal on a FMIC so i bought it, gains were good but nothing crazy to say the DSMIC setup was not effective. BTW you should look into the part # for the fog light grill with the holes in it like the stock one has for the stock SMIC for the other side ( driver side) if you do decide to get the DSMIC or just dremel out the grill like i did and make holes.

[Plasticar]

didn't the original RS4, the one with the 2.7T, have DSMIC? I think the 225TT also has it, although it is transverse mount so not exactly the same thing.

[Jet Jockey]

didn't the original RS4, the one with the 2.7T, have DSMIC? I think the 225TT also has it, although it is transverse mount so not exactly the same thing.

Keep it simple!

Although you are correct on those cars there is no way they were designed for the A4.

You either buy the proper B6 A4 DSMIC kit that was designed, tested by Audi or you go custom FMIC... PERIOD!

[B5A4Kevin]

dsmic is also available on the b7/b8 as well as the a3, 225tt, tt mkII, and tt-s. these are all serial mounted dsmic as opposed to parallel dsmic setups installed on factory and aftermarket 2.7 and 4.2l (b5s4/b5rs4/allroad/a6 and rs6 respectively). there was a big comparison somewhere, ill look for the link, but the dsmic setup was chosen by bosch for several reasons including front end collisions, no heatsoak from radiator, better protection from debris.

the downsides for the dsmic are a less direct airflow, relocating the SAI pump and/or receiver/drier, lack of airflow while stationary, and additional pressure drop of the second core. in addition, the first charge-cooler tends to heatsoak while the second does the cooling.

another problem if using oem smic units, is the fact that the endtanks are plastic and clamped on rather than aluminum that is welded on, but if they can hold up to a k04 running 21psi, i can only assume they would hold up to a gtrs running 18psi. not sure about the inlet and outlet diameters, but i think if you installed the louvered/ventilated wheel liners from the first gen tt or b5 s4, along with either small electric fans or route the headlight washers to spray methanol on the cores, as well as have a good shroud for the seconds core, it would be much more efficient than the oem single smic and possibly comparible to a small fmic, and usable on a 28xx series turbo under moderate boost. but the only way to tell for sure is with logs and temp measurements, as well as dyno results. i think you may be able to do it cheaper than the 900 dollar kits if you fabbed it up yourself, but it is definetly a lot of work. i think its worth a shot though.


also, you can still use the metal crossover tube on the bottom of the factory core support. hope this helps. peace.