AWD Swap almost DONE

[viziers]

Update?


vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

I can go through the individual parts tonight, most likely the only difference is the main shaft, however I would venture to say that buying one and installing it will cost more than a junkyard tranny.

correct that shaft new is 800+

[A4SoftWalker]

Is it necessary to repost all his pictures?

He said he got the stuff from a junkyard

X2 I thought the same thing

[Maverick]

someone needs to try to convert the car to RWD.

good work OP... Clint must have been busy... I wonder what his grades are like.

[QwaktastiK]

Slightly off topic, but don't you have a VW GTI 1.8T with a Haldex 4-Motion system?

I'd be interested in doing an AWD swap into an Audi A3 2.0T Manual 6SPD.

you have PM.

[AudiA4_20T]

someone needs to try to convert the car to RWD.

good work OP... Clint must have been busy... I wonder what his grades are like.

lol I didnt get him all that, only the trans case and the driveshaft soon

[B6Lovin]

now here's a practical application for this new "swap" --- put a quattro 5spd drivetrain in a cabriolet...

wonder how different that car is underneath compared to the sedans..

[AudiA4_20T]

now here's a practical application for this new "swap" --- put a quattro 5spd drivetrain in a cabriolet...

wonder how different that car is underneath compared to the sedans..

the 3.0s are quattro, I would imagine its the same deal. I have thought about doing that with the cabrio, shit would be sleeper as hell

[B6Lovin]

the 3.0s are quattro, I would imagine its the same deal. I have thought about doing that with the cabrio, shit would be sleeper as hell

yeah, but it was impossible to get a 1.8L, manual, quattro, cab.... the closest thing is the s4 cab - which was a manual quattro, but i'd rather have a 1.8 than a 4.2

audi really sucks sometimes... we never seem to get the combos people want.
like a3 2.0T's not coming in 6spd AND quattro (same with MKII TT's... those are only 6spds if you get the 3.2)

[sambrody44]

yeah, but it was impossible to get a 1.8L, manual, quattro, cab.... the closest thing is the s4 cab - which was a manual quattro, but i'd rather have a 1.8 than a 4.2

audi really sucks sometimes... we never seem to get the combos people want.
like a3 2.0T's not coming in 6spd AND quattro (same with MKII TT's... those are only 6spds if you get the 3.2)

I agree %100 percent. Stupid AOA doesn't think they would have a market for those combinations in the States. Well guess what AOA, however many members are on these boards would take both those cars in those combinations!

[B6Lovin]

I agree %100 percent. Stupid AOA doesn't think they would have a market for those combinations in the States. Well guess what AOA, however many members are on these boards would take both those cars in those combinations!

yeah. i would have gotten an a3 instead of my b6 if they had the 2.0T, 6spd, quattro.... after i found out that was impossible i asked about a quattro manual 1.8T B6 cab --- also impossible

so sedan it was! lol

[F16HTON]

I agree %100 percent. Stupid AOA doesn't think they would have a market for those combinations in the States. Well guess what AOA, however many members are on these boards would take both those cars in those combinations!

The members on these boards make up about 0.5% of the population that buys Audi's worldwide

[B6Lovin]

The members on these boards make up about 0.5% of the population that buys Audi's worldwide

i'd like to see the amount of money spent on audis (mods and price of car included, no maintenance) statistic for the members of this forum vs. the rest of the world though..

i bet our .5% would make up a good 15% or so of total $ spent lol (if not more)

[F16HTON]

Normal people do not mod cars, this is why you see rubber floor mats, car covers and clothing on display at the Audi parts counter.

[B6Lovin]

Normal people do not mod cars, this is why you see rubber floor mats, car covers and clothing on display at the Audi parts counter.

that's my point lol. we make up a very small slate of the total owners... probably even smaller than the .5% you guessed -- but im willing to bet that a LOT of the money spent on audi's can be attributed to us.

granted none of the mod money (well... not much of it anyways) will actually go to audi - i think it'd just be a fun statistic to see.

[viziers]

Bump: for any new news....

vizi

[AudiA4_20T]

Bump: for any new news....

vizi

There won't be until he gets the trans/driveshaft

[viziers]

Hey? Would it matter if the rear end came from either a AT or MT?



EDIT: Nope it has to be from a MT if you want manuel!

vizi

[Kemiksiz]

Normal people do not mod cars, this is why you see rubber floor mats, car covers and clothing on display at the Audi parts counter.

So we r freaks Greg?

[AudiA4_20T]

Hey? Would it matter if the rear end came from either a AT or MT?



EDIT: Nope it has to be from a MT if you want manuel!

vizi

you sure? I'm almost positive it doesn't matter

[viziers]

you sure? I'm almost positive it doesn't matter

Thats what the salvage yard computers are telling them or i could have a complete rear for $250 .

P.S. Unless someone can PLEASE PLEASE prove me wrong so i can but this one!

vizi

[1.8cab]

the 3.0s are quattro, I would imagine its the same deal. I have thought about doing that with the cabrio, shit would be sleeper as hell

Damn, I totally want to do this to my cabrio. It would eliminate two weak links, the CVT and the fwd. Then comes the turbo...

Anyone know if you can swap out a CVT for a tiptronic? (I assume switching to a manual trans turns into a hack job.)

[Dopefish]

I've done auto to manual swaps on a few Nissan 240sx's and my former FD RX-7. In the case of the 240sx, the driveshaft was the only difference between auto and manual, the IRS was completely the same. In the instance of the FD, the pinion snout was different and needed to be changed in order to use a manual transmission and driveshaft. Typically that is the only difference but on occasion, the actual snout lengths could be different between them as well. I cannot answer these questions for the B6, but at least I hope this info can give you an idea of where to find the answers.

As for swapping an auto car to manual, it isn't very hard outside of collecting the parts. The electrical portion could be complex, I'm not familiar with how Audi designs their wiring and just how modular it is. Nissan used pigtail harnesses which could be swapped without any effort. Mazda had two harnesses for both the interior and engine bay that was specific to the transmission type. Obviously in that case the best approach is to change both harnesses and remove the now unnecessary modules (Trans Control, etc). I didn't opt for that route, instead I removed the unneeded parts and modified my existing harnesses, relocating the signals I needed from the auto trans and shift box to the manual sensors and pedal assemblies.

I'd be interested to help someone do a manual swap in their car, just to see how the Audis are but I don't know of anyone who needs to swap in my area and is willing to shell out for a manual gearbox and parts.

Edit: One thing to note, about auto vs. manual rear differentials is that the gearing is different and thus must be matched up, otherwise damage to the drivetrain will result.

[hakim0409]

nice work !!
but i have a question here!! when you all the part to work together rear end and trans, so you have to chenge your ecu??

[PRVWing]

You should have gone with this awd conversion kit...

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main...products_id=38

a lot cheaper... lol

[AudiA4_20T]

nice work !!
but i have a question here!! when you all the part to work together rear end and trans, so you have to chenge your ecu??

whoops, thought you were talking about swapping from auto to manual. No, Torsen is all mechanical, no electrical mods required

[O2VW1.8T]

nice work !!
but i have a question here!! when you all the part to work together rear end and trans, so you have to chenge your ecu??

Im not sure what your saying. But i'll guess, Why would you have to change the ecu. It goes off load the ecu doesn't know its AWD... When i converted my Gti it ran normal is AWD or FWD...


If someone has time can you guys get me the part number for the rear diff. Just want to check something out. thanks

[Elliott]

Big whoop, wanna fight about it?

LMAO!

[viziers]

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vizi

[viziers]

bump.....


vizi

[dougyfresh]

Anyone know if you can swap out a CVT for a tiptronic? (I assume switching to a manual trans turns into a hack job.)

If you can find an ECU for your model year on a TIP trans then I don't see it being a problem.

But, I don't think that's possible with a Cab, right?

the 3.0s are quattro, I would imagine its the same deal. I have thought about doing that with the cabrio, shit would be sleeper as hell

Sleeper is Avant

[docurley]

See I said it all would fit.

[1.8cab]

If you can find an ECU for your model year on a TIP trans then I don't see it being a problem.

But, I don't think that's possible with a Cab, right?




Sleeper is Avant

You're bursting my bubble
So, I guess there isn't an independent TCU for the CVT and TIP.(?)
I'm wondering if the euro models had a B6 1.8T quattro cabrio.

[viziers]

bump..


vizi

[AudiA4_20T]

bump..


vizi

dude, chill lol... I have to get to the junkyard

[viziers]

dude, chill lol... I have to get to the junkyard

LOL....i know im hangin... Hey i sent 02VW a pm to check the front CV's as the B7 FWD ones will not work with a QT tranny per the dealership.


vizi

[Don Supreme]

LMAO!

Obscure Family Guy reference FTW!

[O2VW1.8T]

Ok freakin problem. The rear diff i have right now is for a 6 speed it has 4.11 gears. I need 3.89... So i order another one from the junk yard and its from a 6 speed again. Freakin can't catch a break... Anyone want to buy 4.11 rear diff's i have 2..

[viziers]

Ok freakin problem. The rear diff i have right now is for a 6 speed it has 4.11 gears. I need 3.89... So i order another one from the junk yard and its from a 6 speed again. Freakin can't catch a break... Anyone want to buy 4.11 rear diff's i have 2..

From what ive researched the 6sp rear IS a 3.89 an AT rear is 4.11 I may be wrong.



vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

From what ive researched the 6sp rear IS a 3.89 an AT rear is 4.11 I may be wrong.



vizi

6 speed is 4.11 and the auto is 4.11 both the same....


Ok How many of you think this will work... If i run the 4.11 rear and a 3.89 2.8 V6 trans.. I calculated the speed for both ratios and came up with

RPM Redline Max MPH at 6500
1st Gear :1 35.99MPH
2nd Gear :1 64.8MPH
3rd Gear :1 96.9MPH
4th Gear :1 133.58MPH
5th Gear :1 159.66MPH
6th Gear :1 0MPH
Final Drive 3.89:1

RPM Redline Max MPH at 6500
1st Gear :1 34.06MPH
2nd Gear :1 61.33MPH
3rd Gear :1 91.71MPH
4th Gear :1 126.43MPH
5th Gear :1 151.11MPH
6th Gear :1 0MPH
Final Drive 4.11:1


So how much difference can the quattro handle between front and rear, at 90mph its 5mph difference from front and rear