2009 Lexus RX 350 for $30,807

[audia]

http://www.carsdirect.com/build/opti...&restore=false

seems like a good deal.

Additional info here

[MacDaddy]

still a POS with never ending electrical and transmission issues

[sakimano]

still a POS with never ending electrical and transmission issues

??????????????????????????

or...or the most reliable luxury SUV ever made.

[audirs]

still a POS with never ending electrical and transmission issues

sounds like an audi, minus the POS part

[sakimano]

http://www.carsdirect.com/build/opti...&restore=false

seems like a good deal.

Additional info here

love those. Great deal too. Hope there's nothing wrong.

I looked at these in spring...they were pricing 2008 models with 5-10,0000 miles for about $34,000 (premium package, but not NAV etc)

[MacDaddy]

??????????????????????????

or...or the most reliable luxury SUV ever made.

problem with consumer reports is none of their data is objective. Its all based solely on what owners have to say about the product and people will rarely, if ever admit to buying a poor product.

that asside, its still built like a toyota and not like a proper luxury vehichle, the radio sucks, the seats are just like they ones you find in a corolla, you can't go off road and you will get warranty denied all the time because toyotas a bunch of cheap asses.

[sakimano]

problem with consumer reports is none of their data is objective. Its all based solely on what owners have to say about the product and people will rarely, if ever admit to buying a poor product.

that asside, its still built like a toyota and not like a proper luxury vehichle, the radio sucks, the seats are just like they ones you find in a corolla, you can't go off road and you will get warranty denied all the time because toyotas a bunch of cheap asses.

have you read the magazine? GM, Chrysler and Ford all want to sue the fuk out of Consumer Reports for just that reason...the objective customer surveys of the vehicles make these 3 companies look like they're selling cars made of old take out containers. Junk. The big 3 regularly complain about Consumer Reports, however this just shows their ignorance...Consumer Reports doesn't write the opinion...the owners of the vehicles do (500,000 surveys are received every year by the magazine and the data available for members only)

Of course Consumer Reports doesn't care because they take NO advertising. They are funded by their 5 million members ($40/year). They actually buy the cars they review, and don't tell the dealer that the cars are being used for CR testing.

You really can't fault them. It's entirely objective, as opposed to your claim. On the contrary, I would submit that owners are EAGER to write bad shit about their cars because they're angry about the experience. Just review the results for EVERY VW AND MERCEDES-BENZ product if you need confirmation of that...all of their models are either on the AVOID list or are 'MUCH WORSE THAN AVERAGE'.

[davis449]

still a POS with never ending electrical and transmission issues

My mom's had her RX 350 for 2 years now, nary a problem close to what you're saying. Never seen nor heard of a Lexus with either of the problems you describe. Sounds like a fanboi objection.

that asside, its still built like a toyota and not like a proper luxury vehichle, the radio sucks, the seats are just like they ones you find in a corolla, you can't go off road and you will get warranty denied all the time because toyotas a bunch of cheap asses.

You sound worse than the above quoted poster. Have you even ever owned a Lexus, much less an RX 350? I can tell you first hand from seat time behind the wheel of both a Corolla (loaners) and a RX 350 (my mother's in the Mountains of CO) that they are not even close to the same vehicle. The seats are even close to the same. I'm not being opinionated when I say that you are a fucking idiot for that comparison. It's a plain fact.

Are they both Toyota's, yes. Do they share some same parts like buttons and shit, sure? But if Toyota has badass quality, which they do, and Lexus' are based off of them, the conclusion could easily be drawn that you're getting a more luxurious version of a vehicle that had exceptional quality to begin with, which in most people's books (those of us with common sense) would make it worth the extra change. I guess I'm a fucking idiot for buying an expensive VW, huh?

Also, my mom has NEVER had a problem with Lexus service for denying warranty claims. How can you hate place that gives you a car of the same brand you are bringing in for service EVERY time you bring it in for repairs, warranty or not? Oh yeah, and the radio isn't half bad either. Go read the complaints about the Bose systems in Audi's in this forum. It's all subjective. Yeah, you should do some research before opening your mouth.

[auggy]

still a POS with never ending electrical and transmission issues

We've had an RX for three years now and it has only been back to the shop for oil changes and routine mantinence. Ours is only driven in the winter (which is hard on a car in the midwest), and is high milage for a three year old car (just topped 50k). I personally think they're ugly, but you can't deny their comfort and reliability. Sure the interior isn't as cool as other luxury cars, but it has just as many ammenities and is arguably more comfortable than most.

I wouldn't buy one based on appearance, but it's a very reliable and very comfortable car.



PS. to whoever was complaining that you can't take it off road - I'm fairly certain no one who is in the market for this class of car is even considering taking it off road.

[Monizzle]

A Camry on stilts.
Awesome.

[davis449]

A Camry on stilts.
Awesome.

A Passat with a different badge.
Awesome.

[JBM]

Ohh damn... MacDaddy and Monizzle...

[auggy]

A Camry on stilts.
Awesome.

Seriously .. I don't know how anyone could drive an a4 and make a joke like this.

[sakimano]

this is a funny thread of haters

see the thing about Lexus is that nobody really can say anything bad about the brand with respect to comfort, quality, service.

they always resort to hating them for being owned by Toyota (that makes sense...I guess a Bugatti Veyron is just a Beetle, and a Ferrari Enzo is just a Fiat Panda then? Don't forget the VW R8)

I've had a Lexus for a few years, and I honestly can't fault the company for anything. Nothing has EVER gone wrong with my car. The only 'problem' it has had in 5 years and 55,000 miles was when in for routine service at about 20,000 miles. The service manager called me and said 'we had a nail in your tire. I can't get you a new tire till next week, so I patched it, and ordered the tire for you'. I was ready to give him the WHOA COWBOY..I'LL GET MY OWN TIRE! expecting a massive dealer ripoff. Then he continued...'of course the tire replacement is included in your warranty. Road hazzard tire warranty up to 40,000 miles'. Every time they look at my car for regular service or anything (winter vs summer changeover etc.) they wash it, tidy up the interior, and then vacuum the whole interior. When I get in the car, it smells and looks brand new. They return my seat to the memory position, and have a waterbottle in the cup holder for me. They even include a gift everytime (armorall wipes for interior...candy...something)

Yeah...shit company. They don't know WHAT they're doing!

[b00st]

decent deal. i got my 08 for the wife for 36k. sticker is still in the glove at 42k.
so 12k off....i'll take it. at that price...its worth it. i tell my wife i hate her car all the time. its just boring on the inside. and for 42k....its not a good deal. but if i bought it at 30k....i'd shut my mouth about it. service here is top notch...warranty is not a problem...unlike every audi i've owned or my family members. it handles the snow like a champ. runs great. its just plain jane on the inside...or typical japanese styling...my g35 was plain jane too...interior wise. decent car. but i guess that would be a nissan maxima.

[Tiesto]

A Passat with a different badge.
Awesome.

I'll take a Passat over a Camry any day of the week. Much better quality build (with some Audi-esque hints) vrs a tin can with a weak engine, terrible steering, a typical bland plastic Jap interior, and poor safety (I speak from personal experience). My family and I will never buy another Toyota product again.

[Monizzle]

Seriously .. I don't know how anyone could drive an a4 and make a joke like this.

This is not a joke, this is truth, what do you want me to say?
The RX is as equal if not less exciting of a drive than a Camry...with blandness to match. If you're saying an A4 is comparable to a VW like a Passat, so what?
Lexus has higher reliability scores and customer satisfaction scores than Audi, yet Audi makes better cars overall imo, and this is coming from someone who isn't a big fan of Audi.
I'd rather have a shit for reliability Range Rover than some passionless bland blender Toyota/Lexus SUV.

For the record, Passat > Camry, Davis...what are you, in denial?

[MacDaddy]

I'll reply to this tomorrow, but heres some awesome lexus-ness for you guys, i was going to find you a picture of all the oil burning smoke when the IS-F took off on the top gear test track, but it looks like i'll have to do that myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhF6gG7rBXU



RX tranmission problems:
http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums...howtopic=28020

steering issue lexus refuses to acknowledge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_KBIf2maWQ

[davis449]

I'll take a Passat over a Camry any day of the week. Much better quality build (with some Audi-esque hints) vrs a tin can with a weak engine, terrible steering, a typical bland plastic Jap interior, and poor safety (I speak from personal experience). My family and I will never buy another Toyota product again.

Good for you, you want a medal? For all you and your family have been through with your Toyota, or what the fuck ever, I'm sure I could find a hundred more stories where Toyota safety saved someone else's family's lives and a hundred more where Audi's safety failed theirs. You're comparing the handling of a Camry to an Audi (what you drive now), do you really think they're gonna match up to the standards instilled in you by a German car? Oh and you're right, 280HP is such a weak ass engine...you need to do some research on the Toyota engines before you shoot your mouth off. Last time I checked, an A4 3.2 is 265 HP. You're an idiot.

This is not a joke, this is truth, what do you want me to say?
The RX is as equal if not less exciting of a drive than a Camry...with blandness to match. If you're saying an A4 is comparable to a VW like a Passat, so what?
Lexus has higher reliability scores and customer satisfaction scores than Audi, yet Audi makes better cars overall imo, and this is coming from someone who isn't a big fan of Audi.
I'd rather have a shit for reliability Range Rover than some passionless bland blender Toyota/Lexus SUV.

Yeah, in your opinion. You didn't get the point like most fanboi's, because you're incapable of admitting that whatever it is you're fanatical about isn't necessarily superior to what you're defending it against. I don't give a shit if the A4 is very much like a Passat (which of course the B6 was based off of it). That's great, I think the Passat's a great car, I have no problem with that. Like it or not, so is the Camry, despite what your uninformed boy Tiesto up there says. So if the RX is nothing but a "Camry on stilts", so what? That means it's based off a great car...and therefore isn't a POS. Follow me? Yeah, who cares if it isn't the most exciting thing to drive. That's not what governs everyone's decisions when buying a car. It just so happens to govern yours and mine as well. Doesn't mean it's a POS and doesn't make others wrong.

I'll reply to this tomorrow, but heres some awesome lexus-ness for you guys, i was going to find you a picture of all the oil burning smoke when the IS-F took off on the top gear test track, but it looks like i'll have to do that myself.

Again...for everyone of those there's horror stories about Audi's doing similar, if not worse shit...and you still lost the argument. Get over it.

Just so everyone knows, I'm not a Lexus fanboy, I simply call other people on their bullshit when they come in bashing other Automakers saying silly, stupid, and untrue things. I'm not going to get into a style and driving characteristics debate with anyone because it should be obvious where my tastes lie from looking at my signature.

[sakimano]

good replies below

there are a few of us who own Lexus vehicles, or who understand their quality who are speaking about the great experience of millions of owners

there is another group of douchebags who are pointing to bad one off examples and then extrapolating from these rare exceptions that this is the normal experience. one moron even said he'd prefer the driving experience of a passat (sporty small sedan) vs an RX350 (luxury SUV)...yeah that's relevant! Anyway, these are the same morons who hate BMW and say their cars are terrible just because they don't own one. This kind of closed minded thinking makes for someone I don't want to hang around with because they never grow and they never learn.

if anyone has ever studied Critical Thinking, you'll know how NOT to argue a point, and the second group is putting on a clinic!

Good for you, you want a medal? For all you and your family have been through with your Toyota, or what the fuck ever, I'm sure I could find a hundred more stories where Toyota safety saved someone else's family's lives and a hundred more where Audi's safety failed theirs. You're comparing the handling of a Camry to an Audi (what you drive now), do you really think they're gonna match up to the standards instilled in you by a German car? Oh and you're right, 280HP is such a weak ass engine...you need to do some research on the Toyota engines before you shoot your mouth off. Last time I checked, an A4 3.2 is 265 HP. You're an idiot.



Yeah, in your opinion. You didn't get the point like most fanboi's, because you're incapable of admitting that whatever it is you're fanatical about isn't necessarily superior to what you're defending it against. I don't give a shit if the A4 is very much like a Passat (which of course the B6 was based off of it). That's great, I think the Passat's a great car, I have no problem with that. Like it or not, so is the Camry, despite what your uninformed boy Tiesto up there says. So if the RX is nothing but a "Camry on stilts", so what? That means it's based off a great car...and therefore isn't a POS. Follow me? Yeah, who cares if it isn't the most exciting thing to drive. That's not what governs everyone's decisions when buying a car. It just so happens to govern yours and mine as well. Doesn't mean it's a POS and doesn't make others wrong.



Again...for everyone of those there's horror stories about Audi's doing similar, if not worse shit...and you still lost the argument. Get over it.

Just so everyone knows, I'm not a Lexus fanboy, I simply call other people on their bullshit when they come in bashing other Automakers saying silly, stupid, and untrue things. I'm not going to get into a style and driving characteristics debate with anyone because it should be obvious where my tastes lie from looking at my signature.

[sakimano]

p.s. for the minion who pointed to the oily engine and referenced the TOP GEAR test of an IS-F here's something for you that you may remember from the Top Gear R8 episode

Audi R8 V10 Twin Turbo Prototype at the Nurburgring...MELTED to just a frame and 4 wheels after a fire

Therefore, by your ridiculous logic, all Audis burst into flames and are death traps. Sell yours FAST before you and your highschool/college buddies die a fiery death.

[Jibberific]

RX.. ugh. Those things have the most abysmally bad, piss-poor handling characteristics of any vehicle that i have ever driven

and that includes 50 year old chevys and such

[sakimano]

RX.. ugh. Those things have the most abysmally bad, piss-poor handling characteristics of any vehicle that i have ever driven

and that includes 50 year old chevys and such

good thing it's an SUV so you shouldn't be testing the limits of its handling abilities! I'd prefer an Avant myself, but already having an S4, I'm not sure I want 2 Audis.

A Q5 TDI on the other hand...

[MacDaddy]

p.s. for the minion who pointed to the oily engine and referenced the TOP GEAR test of an IS-F here's something for you that you may remember from the Top Gear R8 episode

Audi R8 V10 Twin Turbo Prototype at the Nurburgring...MELTED to just a frame and 4 wheels after a fire

Therefore, by your ridiculous logic, all Audis burst into flames and are death traps. Sell yours FAST before you and your highschool/college buddies die a fiery death.

prototype is not the same as a full on production car, nice try though.

[sakimano]

prototype is not the same as a full on production car, nice try though.

You know I'm not serious right? You know I'm just giving an absurd example of your horrible logic...right? wow.

[davis449]

You know I'm not serious right? You know I'm just giving an absurd example of your horrible logic...right? wow.

Has he not proven his massive ignorance to you yet?

[auggy]

RX.. ugh. Those things have the most abysmally bad, piss-poor handling characteristics of any vehicle that i have ever driven

and that includes 50 year old chevys and such

The handling definately leaves you feeling a bit disconnected from the road, but I'm pretty sure that's what lexus was going for. It's a very comfortable suv, not a performance suv by any means.

[MacDaddy]

You know I'm not serious right? You know I'm just giving an absurd example of your horrible logic...right? wow.

yeah, and how does your example work exactly? Oh, it dosn't, way to pull a john mccain and back-pedal your argument.

[davis449]

yeah, and how does your example work exactly? Oh, it dosn't, way to pull a john mccain and back-pedal your argument.

How's does yours work? Oh yeah...way to draw some conclusions about an eniter brand from one test. Let me go find that video of the BMW's AWD system beating Audi's in the "roller" test. You are such a tool. You got beat, go home now.

[sakimano]

knockout punch^^^

booyakashah!

[MacDaddy]

How's does yours work? Oh yeah...way to draw some conclusions about an eniter brand from one test. Let me go find that video of the BMW's AWD system beating Audi's in the "roller" test. You are such a tool. You got beat, go home now.

What test are you talking about pea brain?

you want to know why lexus is a big piece of shit, heres why, the windshields are paper thin and crack as soon as a rock hits them, the suspension is made out of stamped steel, the brakes are the same ones you find on a matrix, the engine comes out of a Rav4, and the stereo sounds like it only has two speakers.

My friend leases a RX300, the transmission has been replaced, the engine and transmission mounts have been replaced, the cars electric system took a shit and it took the dealer two weeks to "fix it" when he got it back they said squirrels ate the electrical system. Last time i checked it was rats that ate electrical wires in the winter, not the summer, and squirrels eat nuts.
needless to say hes not buying out the lease.

another friend owns a IS250, fist week of ownership the windshield cracked when one small rock hit the windshield. After a large battle with the dealer they agreed to replace the windshield under warranty. But whoops, they couldn't because the replacement windshield cracked when they were taking it out of the box, awesome.
then one day he came over and we were going to head out in his lexus, but his tire pressure monitoring system said he had a flat, so i used my tire gauge to manual check all the tires and low and behold they were just fine, so we reset it. it came on again and then on the freeway the car displayed "key not found" and SHUT OFF THE ENGINE while we were driving. now thats kwality.
a neat feature not mentioned in the IS brochure is the cars ability to find bumps in the road that any other car can't. unfortunately this feature has caused a wheel bearing noise after less than 2 years of ownership.


So, you see why i don't like Lexus? Oh my god, Audi is just a Volkswagen, no shit, but at least a golf is a better car to drive than a corolla. So what do i prefer? a BMW "oh, but its not as reliable as..." I don't fucking give a shit if its not as reliable as a nissan micra, its got a better engine, better suspension, better brakes, better ride comfort, better stereo, power windows, power seats, leather, heated seats, air conditioning, should i continue or do you get the fucking idea yet? By your logic you should live in a fucking tent because your house might need a new roof in 10 years.

[Tiesto]

Good for you, you want a medal? For all you and your family have been through with your Toyota, or what the fuck ever, I'm sure I could find a hundred more stories where Toyota safety saved someone else's family's lives and a hundred more where Audi's safety failed theirs. You're comparing the handling of a Camry to an Audi (what you drive now), do you really think they're gonna match up to the standards instilled in you by a German car? Oh and you're right, 280HP is such a weak ass engine...you need to do some research on the Toyota engines before you shoot your mouth off. Last time I checked, an A4 3.2 is 265 HP. You're an idiot.

The VW/Audi lineup has won awards for its safety performance dumbass. I challenge you to prove a camry is safer than a VW. Do you think I actually give a shit about what "standards" an econo-box car company has? They obvliously don't care as they know there's always some shit for brains like you willing to line up for one. And I was mainly talking about the shitty inline 4 which is asswopped by my 2.0T. Fuck NA V6s, they're terrible and you take your life in your hands if you try to do spirited driving in a camry, I wonder why nobody buys them. Have fun driving that accord you broke bitch.

Oh and that comment about my family, I just hope your worthless family gets hurt all the same you piece of shit.

[djwimbo]

problem with consumer reports is none of their data is objective. Its all based solely on what owners have to say about the product and people will rarely, if ever admit to buying a poor product.

that asside, its still built like a toyota and not like a proper luxury vehichle, the radio sucks, the seats are just like they ones you find in a corolla, you can't go off road and you will get warranty denied all the time because toyotas a bunch of cheap asses.

... I'm not going to defend Toyota as much as I used to, but I worked for them for 3yrs. I dealt a lot with warranty issues, Lexus, Scion and Toyota. If you go to a good dealer and treat them right, the favor is returned.
EDIT: the warranty issues I dealt with varied entirely by the day, I did a TON of waterpumps an '04+ 4cyl Camry's, and heated seat elements in Siennas(different than the RX)

As far as transmission issues, I think not. You want to find a Jap-import company with tranny issues go find a mid 90's to early 00's V6 Honda. There's a bucket of shit transmission. The dealer I worked for in OH was swapping at least 2 each week for a couple years.
- I don't think we can complain that much, VW/Audi trans are 3X the cost of a Toyota trans(automatics)
Electrical issues? The only time I was ever chasing electrical faults on Toyotas is when the customer did something dumb, or the car was >8yrs old.

I wouldn't attack Toyota so quickly, I'd be willing to bet your experience is limited on that subject. I have nothing against you though, just don't attack a company you don't know much about.

[KiloByte]

How's does yours work? Oh yeah...way to draw some conclusions about an eniter brand from one test. Let me go find that video of the BMW's AWD system beating Audi's in the "roller" test. You are such a tool. You got beat, go home now.

I smell a troll, we all know that video was bullshit. They turned off the ESP. Let's take those cars out in actual snow not some retarded roller and see what happens.

[sakimano]

How's does yours work? Oh yeah...way to draw some conclusions about an eniter brand from one test. Let me go find that video of the BMW's AWD system beating Audi's in the "roller" test. You are such a tool. You got beat, go home now.

I smell a troll, we all know that video was bullshit. They turned off the ESP. Let's take those cars out in actual snow not some retarded roller and see what happens.

that's his davis449's point...he's saying that one video or one test can't be pointed to as a blanket analysis about an entire company...especially since the test can be faked.

[davis449]

What test are you talking about pea brain?

This one, tool: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...83197544018466

Here's the thread on this forum: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3056084

you want to know why lexus is a big piece of shit, heres why, the windshields are paper thin and crack as soon as a rock hits them, the suspension is made out of stamped steel, the brakes are the same ones you find on a matrix, the engine comes out of a Rav4, and the stereo sounds like it only has two speakers.

My friend leases a RX300, the transmission has been replaced, the engine and transmission mounts have been replaced, the cars electric system took a shit and it took the dealer two weeks to "fix it" when he got it back they said squirrels ate the electrical system. Last time i checked it was rats that ate electrical wires in the winter, not the summer, and squirrels eat nuts.
needless to say hes not buying out the lease.

another friend owns a IS250, fist week of ownership the windshield cracked when one small rock hit the windshield. After a large battle with the dealer they agreed to replace the windshield under warranty. But whoops, they couldn't because the replacement windshield cracked when they were taking it out of the box, awesome.
then one day he came over and we were going to head out in his lexus, but his tire pressure monitoring system said he had a flat, so i used my tire gauge to manual check all the tires and low and behold they were just fine, so we reset it. it came on again and then on the freeway the car displayed "key not found" and SHUT OFF THE ENGINE while we were driving. now thats kwality.
a neat feature not mentioned in the IS brochure is the cars ability to find bumps in the road that any other car can't. unfortunately this feature has caused a wheel bearing noise after less than 2 years of ownership.

My mom's has had numerous rocks hit I'm sure and definitely some on I-25 when I drove it to Ft. Collins and nary a crack. So what's your point, for every one of those you can dig up I can dig up more on Audi, BMW, MB...whatever. My Mercedes' windshield crack from getting hit by a rock, they're made by the same company that makes Audi's, so I guess Audi's windshields are shit too, huh? The brakes on an A3 are the same weak ass brakes from the VW GTI. Ever stomped on those at 140+ MPH? I have and let me tell you it's scary. So again, what's your point? As for the engine, RX's don't come with 4 bangers and the 6 cyl. engines in 3.0, 3.3, and 3.5L displacements are used across the entire line of Toyota vehicles. It's a pretty powerful, reliable engine. Audi shares the 3.2 and 2.0t (with it's wonderful DV, PCV, and cam follower problems) with VW. Again...you lose. the Lexus Stereo is 8 speakers OEM and can be tuned to sound very good (I've done it in several Lexus') and it's premium audio used to be Nakamichi (ask audiophiles about Nakamichi) and the new one (in the last 4 yrs. or so) is Mark Levinson (ask them about Mark Levinson too). Audi's is...Bose, I'll just let you search the forums for opinions on Audi Bose. TPMS? Shit...my friend's had a MKV GTI, MKV R32, and now a '06 Audi A3, all of which have had the TPMS light stuck in permanent "on" position. TPMS is shit in any car, that's why I don't have it in my Audi and wouldn't have it in a Lexus, if I chose to buy one of those. I'm sorry to hear about your friends wheel bearing. My former Mercedes had a wheel bearing freeze, on its own, for no reason and destroy the whole front passenger side suspension and caused chronic steering issues after repair. Yeah, your point? Shit happens when electronic systems are in play.

So, you see why i don't like Lexus? Oh my god, Audi is just a Volkswagen, no shit, but at least a golf is a better car to drive than a corolla. So what do i prefer? a BMW "oh, but its not as reliable as..." I don't fucking give a shit if its not as reliable as a nissan micra, its got a better engine, better suspension, better brakes, better ride comfort, better stereo, power windows, power seats, leather, heated seats, air conditioning, should i continue or do you get the fucking idea yet? By your logic you should live in a fucking tent because your house might need a new roof in 10 years.

In response to this rant of idiocy, let me quote myself:

Just so everyone knows, I'm not a Lexus fanboy, I simply call other people on their bullshit when they come in bashing other Automakers saying silly, stupid, and untrue things. I'm not going to get into a style and driving characteristics debate with anyone because it should be obvious where my tastes lie from looking at my signature.

The VW/Audi lineup has won awards for its safety performance dumbass. I challenge you to prove a camry is safer than a VW. Do you think I actually give a shit about what "standards" an econo-box car company has? They obvliously don't care as they know there's always some shit for brains like you willing to line up for one. And I was mainly talking about the shitty inline 4 which is asswopped by my 2.0T. Fuck NA V6s, they're terrible and you take your life in your hands if you try to do spirited driving in a camry, I wonder why nobody buys them.

God you're stupid...and illiterate. Go back and read my post, moron. Audi has won awards for safety, so has Toyota. I challenge you to prove they haven't. I'm so proud of you for whipping up on a 4 banger in a Camry in your $35K German near-luxury class sedan. You're knowledge of car classes and how they're compared just amazes me.

Keep it coming, I love owning you.

Have fun driving that accord you broke bitch.

You can read my signature and find out how wrong you are...I'm not wasting my time telling you all the things I have and have accomplished in my short 27 yrs. on this planet. You're not worth it. Yes, I love my Honda, it gets me back and forth to work and I can throw my work around in it all day and not care. Keeps miles off my baby and makes me feel even more satisfied when I come home and open my garage.

Oh and that comment about my family, I just hope your worthless family gets hurt all the same you piece of shit.

Way to turn it personal. I wished no harm on your family and I don't think it's funny that they were hurt. I was pointing out that, despite your experience, there are others in this world whom, I'm sure, Audi safety has failed and they are in the same boat you are. Get some perspective and learn to understand the context of what you read.

[davis449]

that's his davis449's point...he's saying that one video or one test can't be pointed to as a blanket analysis about an entire company...especially since the test can be faked.

Exactly. Some people just can't read.

[djwimbo]

steering issue lexus refuses to acknowledge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_KBIf2maWQ

Caster is non-adjustable on those vehicles. If something was out of whack when it was assembled you will get that problem.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not buying a Lexus anytime soon, but there's measure that can be taken to correct that.

I've worked on dozens of RX300's and apparently the trans issue is only in '99. I've never had a problem with one, and that's not really relevant to someone looking at buying an '08/'09. The transmission then was a 4sp, now it's a 6speed.
No, it's not a RAV4 engine, it was in the Avalon in '05, then the Camry, then the Rav4 and Highlander. It's a standard powerplant that's universal. Honda does the same thing, except they suck at it.

[sakimano]

I can't wait for MacDaddy to post again. This is getting good.

basically he posts with 1 anecdote from 1 'friend/buddy/guy I know' and then extrapolates this experience into the experience for every customer of that company. They're pretty funny.

p.s. Toyota/Lexus now the biggest automobile company on the planet...they must be doing something right!

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Oh and that comment about my family, I just hope your worthless family gets hurt all the same you piece of shit.

Yo that was unnecessary.