Review of H-Sport S4 sways and Neuspeed Snub on Tip car

[AudiA4Turbo22]

Alright well:

Neuspeed snub:

Easiest thing to install on this car took 10mins. Shifter tightness is improved and aside from that i did not feel one difference except more vibration. Would i buy one again? maybe a new stock one but that's about it. The neuspeed snub fit really well, and if my car was a manual it would be worth the $20 i spent on it.

H-Sport S4 sways:

took me about 5 hrs to install the back and front and do a fuel filter, would have been much less, the thing that took longest was figuring out how to take it out and put the other back in, but what took the most time was hanging the exhaust back up WOW i can't believe it IT SCREWED UP MY EXHAUST ALIGNMENT so i took it to the shop and he fixed it looked good for 5 mins but i got home and it was off again so had to re-adjust for another hour. Anyways, the front was totally easy and took like 10 mins. And the supplied instructions Hotchskis provided were spot on.

Impressions:

I have the rear bar set to aggressive mode because i prefer oversteer lol. Anyways, when i first started driving i didn't feel that much of a difference, it just had less roll. On hard turns it grabs REALLY well and car has 0 Roll. And my car is dumped on thick tires my ride height is an even 24" front and rear with HUGE tires, I really rub less now do to the fact body roll is gone. And understeer/oversteer is non-existent now. Would i go out and spend $280 again for front and rear? Maybe, but i would not pay full price of $600 for both
thanx for reading

[AudiA4Turbo22]

bump wow no one likes sway bars?

[whiteUSPflow]

hahah good job bud ill show you some love

[old guy]

Since you are already running race springs I am not surprised that the sway bars didn't make a whole lot of difference. With the heavy springs I would suggest trying the less aggressive setting and see if you like that any better. You may find that your car is more controllable over any less than perfect road conditions.

Cheers!

Edit: Try shaving down the angled sides of the snub a little and you should be able to eliminate the vibration.

[dr. brian]

I have the RS4 H-Sports front and set to max rear. HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!!!! The only thing is that with such a stiff chassis my A-Pillars and top of the car now reflects some twisting. Its like it shifted to whatever is weaker. My H-Sports pulled my car down more and dropped it about 1/4" all the way around with my factory sport suspension. Bought mine from Eurocode Tuning I think for $500 for both.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

Since you are already running race springs I am not surprised that the sway bars didn't make a whole lot of difference. With the heavy springs I would suggest trying the less aggressive setting and see if you like that any better. You may find that your car is more controllable over any less than perfect road conditions.

Cheers!

Edit: Try shaving down the angled sides of the snub a little and you should be able to eliminate the vibration.

thanx Old Guy! Actually the snub is shaved already and i think the vibration may have gone away.

Now i drove about 100 miles today with the new sway bars and i love them now, it handles really well. I love how the rear breaks out more easily.

[forevraudi]

whats the diameter on the front sway? i know that rear sway reduces understeer, what does front help? i've heard mixed reviews on doing a front sway. some say good for slightly curvy tracks but bad for tight corners

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^false it reduces roll quite a bit and i forgot the diameter.

[mxrz]

And understeer/oversteer is non-existent now.

You wish.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^really? i don't wish. i have to disagree with u here, i took a 90 degree turn at WOT and it did not understeer, if anything the rear broke loose a bit.

[mxrz]

It's not very hard to induce oversteer, even on a stock car. You just made it easier, but that doesn't mean you eliminated all understeer tendencies our cars were inherited with, by design, and poor weight distribution. Your anecdotal evidence seems to have inspired a little too much confidence, and I hope you won’t get to find out, the hard way, how wrong you are.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^alright well it's not making up for weight here or anything, but for even sporty driving it's great and that is all that matters. Let it understeer

[EBG 18T]

whats the diameter on the front sway? i know that rear sway reduces understeer, what does front help? i've heard mixed reviews on doing a front sway. some say good for slightly curvy tracks but bad for tight corners

the H-sport S4 Front bar is 35mm, the rear is 24mm. the setup he installed is very well balanced and perfect for aggressive street and some track use.


AudiA4Turbo22 - with as low (24" f&r) as you are you should have had miminal roll anyways. with your current ride height i would expect you to be basically riding on the bumpstops. i am glad you like them. the h-sport s4 kit is a nice overall balance.

[Kerschera4]

would have been much less, the thing that took longest was figuring out how to take it out and put the other back in,

I found that the easiest way to swap the rear sways when i was doing mine is actually not to go under and out the back of the car but out the side wheel well. Very easy (might have taken a minute), just some turning of the bar around the exhaust pipes and it comes right out

[vinny.dtw]

It's not very hard to induce oversteer, even on a stock car. You just made it easier, but that doesn't mean you eliminated all understeer tendencies our cars were inherited with, by design, and poor weight distribution. Your anecdotal evidence seems to have inspired a little too much confidence, and I hope you won’t get to find out, the hard way, how wrong you are.

ding.

[Mikef5000]

I'm back from a year away from car mods. I figured I could add to this thread instead of starting another Sway Bar thread.

I've got a 2002 A4TQ with Koni Coil's and the stock non-sport front sway and a S4 rear sway. I still get significantly more body roll than I'd like, so I was hoping to upgrade the sway bars. I'd like to go as aggressive as I can and still be well balanced. The setup is Koni Coils set quit low, and 17x8.5" Wheels with 245 wide BFG G-Force Tires.
I'm assuming the H-sport kit is the best bet, but what's the difference between the S4 kit and the RS4 kit? And does anyone have the kits on sale right now?

Thanks guys!

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[jon102034050]

^ just go with the rs4 rear bar, its super nice and very cheap

[Mikef5000]

You mean the RS4 OEM rear bar? But (on paper) it's hardly an upgrade from the S4 OEM bar I have now. I'm looking for a setup that's autocross worthy, and I find it hard to believe that the 2mm increase that the RS4 has will be the huge upgrade I'm hoping for.

I've found this info:

A4 H-Sport kit:
Front: 35mm
Rear: 22mm

RS4 H-Sport kit:
Front: 35mm
Rear: 29mm

I'm not finding an actual "S4 H-sport kit" so everytime I read that they must be refering to the RS4 kit, correct?

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^wrong, the Audi S4 has its own setup best bet. The Rs4 bars are way to much i mean 100% overkill, anything larger than the bar i'm running in the rear and the exhaust will have to be dropped. This setup is primo, i still get some body roll, but u can't really fix that, our cars are way to heavy, but i mean barely.

[absolutegtr]

With a finely tuned suspension, a sway bar with smallest diameter is optimal. All you have done is prevent your IRS from having complete individual control.

On uneven surfaces while turning hard, you will feel you back end start to "hop" around.

I can't explain fully since I am typing in my phone with 10% battery remaining, haha

[Mikef5000]

Found it!

A4 H-Sport kit:
Front: 35mm
Rear: 22mm

S4 H-Sport kit:
Front: 35mm
Rear: 24mm

RS4 H-Sport kit:
Front: 35mm
Rear: 29mm

[A4SoftWalker]

It's not very hard to induce oversteer, even on a stock car. You just made it easier, but that doesn't mean you eliminated all understeer tendencies our cars were inherited with, by design, and poor weight distribution. Your anecdotal evidence seems to have inspired a little too much confidence, and I hope you won’t get to find out, the hard way, how wrong you are.

Correct proper weight transfer and throttle modulation with the stock setup on my 2002 sport on a surface with the correct coefficient of friction and the oversteer starts rolling in.

I'm assuming the H-sport kit is the best bet, but what's the difference between the S4 kit and the RS4 kit? And does anyone have the kits on sale right now?

Follow this link Other sway bar link

[downhillracer]

I have the H-Sport RS4 setup. 35mm front and 29mm rear and I LOVE IT! Car seems way more balanced and takes the corners like a dream. I had no trouble at all installing the bars, the front and rear took me a little over an hour.

[slickav]

With a finely tuned suspension, a sway bar with smallest diameter is optimal. All you have done is prevent your IRS from having complete individual control.

On uneven surfaces while turning hard, you will feel you back end start to "hop" around.

I can't explain fully since I am typing in my phone with 10% battery remaining, haha

This is what happens with my E36 M3 sway setup, the rear end seems to skip around on sharp uphill turns. Not a good feeling, trust me!

[Mikef5000]

Hmmm, still torn. Seems for every person that says "Go S4", there's someone else that says "Go RS4".

Is it true that the grease fittings on the front bars point straight down? I seem to remember someone saying they kept sheering them off because they bottomed out. I don't bottom out often, but it does happen. Why do they need grease fitting if the factory unit did not? Just curious. Thanks!

[Turbo1A4]

damn i will have to get me an s4 sway bar....do you still have alot of vibration or did it go away??

[EBG 18T]

unless you are spending alot of time tracking the car the H-Sport S4 kit is probably the most balanced kit. The h-sport rs4 kit is overkill for the street.

[absolutegtr]

BTW I have an rs4 rear sway with bilstein shocks and h&r sport springs. My car handles like a champ, but like I said on uneven onramps the back end will slightly hop around.

[HTA A4]

I'm thinking about doing sways since it will become a fulltime track car in the spring. Good post

[old guy]

Is it true that the grease fittings on the front bars point straight down? I seem to remember someone saying they kept sheering them off because they bottomed out. I don't bottom out often, but it does happen. Why do they need grease fitting if the factory unit did not? Just curious. Thanks!

Yes they point down. If your car is lowered you will probably end up with holes in your splash guard and sheered off fittings. Just go to your local auto parts store and pick up some grease fitting plugs. remove the fittings, install the plugs and you are good to go. Put the fittings in a zip lock bag and throw them in your spare tire well so you will remember where they are once a year when you go to grease your sway bars.

[downhillracer]

^ good call old guy