Curious About Going From GTRS To BAT?

[ILikeBigBrakes]

Currently have the GT28RS Elim kit with all the goodies, tip, dp etc. Anyways I think that having more power would make me happy. I have about 3.5k to spend if I want to do this plus selling the current kit if its useless. Talk to me about what I will need on top of what I have, sell what I have and do a whole new setup. Need to know the costs, there are many people on here with bigger turbos than me and would know best and I have done searches to see their builds. Just not sure what all I can get out of my stock motor without issues but want something badass. Talk to me and let me know whats up. Thanks!

[ILikeBigBrakes]

Oh ya and where are you guys getting the 2.8 quattro tip trans?

[7speed]

I thought that the largest that you could go with a TIP trans is the 71R Elim kit. I just went to a 3071R and I could help with everything that you need

[ILikeBigBrakes]

7Speed I have to say your one of the most helpful people on here, everytime I post anything your there to help thanks! What is the recommended place to pick up the biggest turbo I can run.... guess I should also ask if I swap in a 2.8 TIP does that handle more?

[kwimberly]

You should also PM dirtybrd (Chris). He's BAT and super cool. Lives in Lakeland and did my timing belt for me.

[ILikeBigBrakes]

It looks like for the 71r elim kit I have everything but the turbo already, sorry if I am asking easier questions but trying to figure this out. Looking at ATP's site it looks liek everything that comes in the kit already is on the car minus the turbo. I like the future potential of the 3076R but would I end up using it? Not sure, nor do I know much about the specs of a turbo.

[7speed]

7Speed I have to say your one of the most helpful people on here, everytime I post anything your there to help thanks! What is the recommended place to pick up the biggest turbo I can run.... guess I should also ask if I swap in a 2.8 TIP does that handle more?

funny cause I still have Average Rep

Here's the setup that I would reccomend (To keep you in your budget) if the TIP tranny could handle it

*GT3071R .63 A/R
*SPA Manifold
*3" Downpipe
*550c Injectors
*Various ATP items

and if you want to drop some extra coin
*Unitronics Tune

[infernocl]

why not just run what greg is running, 450hp on 71R eliminator

[7speed]

I dont think that would be safe to run daily

[ILikeBigBrakes]

Any recomendations on where to buy?

[7speed]

First you should wait to find out if your Tranny can handle the power. Then either speak with Shawn or Mike. Or you can go the DIY route that I did and do it all yourself

[dougyfresh]

For $3500 I'm sorry but you're not going to do much beyond an 'Eliminator' kit. Anything beyond an 'Eliminator' kit will require a stronger bottom end in your motor. That's $500 minimum in parts plus a new turbo which is $1200ish plus an exhaust manifold $300+ish plus downpipe, plus intake, plus labor, etc...

Being realistic, I do not think you can accomplish this with the budget you specified in the original post.

[ILikeBigBrakes]

So is the 71 elim kit worth it? I can do it steps at a time if it would be a more satifying end result I guess I am saying at 400 I can be happy and move on to exterior.

[7speed]

GT3071r - 1250
SPA Mani - 500
DPIPE - 300
AtP Misc - 350
550cc Inj - 300
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$3000.00 +/-

[A4 Moda]

You have a GTRS and you want to go to a 71R Eliminator? Am I missing something? Why would you even waste the money?

If you want, I'll just do a direct trade with you. I just need to pull my turbo and inspect it to make sure everything is still working to spec.

[dougyfresh]

So is the 71 elim kit worth it? I can do it steps at a time if it would be a more satifying end result I guess I am saying at 400 I can be happy and move on to exterior.

One of the things I like to say around here.... It all comes down to what you want to do. What are your overall goals and plans? You can achieve 400chp with an eliminator and it'll be very driveable. To be safe it is advised to do upgraded connecting rods in your motor.

[mike-2ptzero]

I thought that the largest that you could go with a TIP trans is the 71R Elim kit. I just went to a 3071R and I could help with everything that you need

I know of a Tip B5 that runs a 2 liter GT35r, I just wont say how I know him.

[7speed]

thats good to know, learned something new. Now is this a special tranny ?

[ILikeBigBrakes]

well the eliminator sounds like something I can work with where are you guys going for your turbo kits and supplies?

[Wizard-of-OD]

Now is this a special tranny ?

Would have to be.
Probably Level10 or IPT trans.
Tiptronic in its stock form can not take more than 400hp/275 ft/lbs of abuse.The poor transmission will vomit its guts everywhere...
Automatic Audi's (VAG auotmatics in general aside from DSG) are notorious for slipping at the slightest form of abuse.

[ILikeBigBrakes]

Does that go for the 2.8L trans as well?

[ILikeBigBrakes]

Thinking about grabbing B6lovin's setup which is pretty much what everyone is recommending.

[mike-2ptzero]

thats good to know, learned something new. Now is this a special tranny ?

Yes, he is running a modified tip trans. IIRC it was done by Level 10. He posts on AW and lives in CO.

[A4 Moda]

well the eliminator sounds like something I can work with where are you guys going for your turbo kits and supplies?

EuroCode has been my tuner from Day 1.

ATP manufactures the Eliminator turbos. If you need parts, you can check both for prices and availability.

EuroCode
ATP Turbo

[dougyfresh]

Does that go for the 2.8L trans as well?

Are you referring to the 2.8L 5spd manual trans?

I am confused. You jump back and forth between a manual and automatic trans.

[ILikeBigBrakes]

? never said anything about a manual I was asking earlier if the 2.8 auto would be an upgrade or not. Not really a big deal trans is not my focus yet just want to get the right setup and I think b6lovins kit should be ok.

[audikid66]

EuroCode has been my tuner from Day 1.

ATP manufactures the Eliminator turbos. If you need parts, you can check both for prices and availability.

EuroCode
ATP Turbo

ill never order from eurocode again...worst service i ever had and they kept lying about when my parts were shipped and didnt end up gettin my atp exhaust mani for 3-4 weeks which delayed my turbo install . . . y don't you just max out ur gtrs man? get it tuned on meth an throw some rods in and run 24 lbs. all day long... i think with a bigger turb then that ur just goin to end up needing a new tranny ..i think level 10 trannys cost like 4k

[ILikeBigBrakes]

Guess I could just not sure if that's the most effecient way to make the power I want? It's not bad with the meth now could use some more tuning but thinking I just want some more. Sounds like a general rule of thumb regardless are rods.

[widgget]

like has already been mentioned, you are going to need to build the bottom end if your going bigger then the elim kits. also the tip tranny will need to be upgraded (i hear IPT is much better then level10).

what settings are you running your GTRS at? you might get some more out of it if you turn the boost up, they set the tiptronics somewhat conservative when you first flash unless you ask for something different.

[ILikeBigBrakes]

When shawn at 1552 brought up the revo program it was pretty standard at that time there was no meth and running 21-22 psi. He said once the meth was done(is now) then adjust timing and run a little higher boost. Guess that's my option at this point.

[Maverick]

PM 400HPA4 and get a Cosworth 1.8 Long Block engine. It's rather cheaper and will hold up to the power level you want.

TIP tranny is not a way to go with BAT simply because the TIP is slow mentally! Vinny was going to try a TIP software to change the behavior and such, I don't know what happened then.
I upgraded my TC and VB, the hardwares shifts fast and hold the power that I need.
there is a boost delay with the tranny, you up boosting say 20psi but the tranny won't put all the power you are making to the wheels right away, it takes a second or less to do it.
I suggest you just run the GTRS for now and save up to do things all at once later on. such as tranny swap and BAT and engine.

[ILikeBigBrakes]

Thanks good info sounds like that's what the plan will be of I am still considering a b7 to start from scratch.

[dougyfresh]

When shawn at 1552 brought up the revo program it was pretty standard at that time there was no meth and running 21-22 psi. He said once the meth was done(is now) then adjust timing and run a little higher boost. Guess that's my option at this point.

You're in FL. Probably an hour or two from 1552. Call up Shawn and work out a nice plan to meet your goals and go from there. He'll take care of you. He's in the 'know' of what's going on here in the B6 forum so he'll have the some good options for you.

[Maverick]

you can buy a nicely used B6 USP for cheaper than a B7 and start from scratch.
B7 is very different because the FSI technology. it will take a while for you to explore the options on turbo packages and tunes.

[ILikeBigBrakes]

a usp would be great or an s4 :)

[Maverick]

s4 clicky

[AudiA4_20T]

For $3500 I'm sorry but you're not going to do much beyond an 'Eliminator' kit. Anything beyond an 'Eliminator' kit will require a stronger bottom end in your motor. That's $500 minimum in parts plus a new turbo which is $1200ish plus an exhaust manifold $300+ish plus downpipe, plus intake, plus labor, etc...

Being realistic, I do not think you can accomplish this with the budget you specified in the original post.

zzziiinnnggg

too much money for not enough hp, and possibly risking your motor/trans

[ILikeBigBrakes]

That S4 is hot

[Capt. Obvious]

One of the things I like to say around here.... It all comes down to what you want to do. What are your overall goals and plans? You can achieve 400chp with an eliminator and it'll be very driveable. To be safe it is advised to do upgraded connecting rods in your motor.

Just rods? What about pistons? Or are the OEM pistons pretty durable?

[dougyfresh]

Just rods? What about pistons? Or are the OEM pistons pretty durable?

They seem to be holding up fine for Shawn even though they are cast.

If you're planning on pushing a lot and/or tweaking a tune a lot I'd pony up for some forged pistons. They can absorb a lot more over cast pistons. AEB or AMU forged OE pistons are a nice alternative to an aftermarket forged piston if you're planning on staying 81mm bore.