cold air intakes

[JHaag13]

just been searching around on what to do next... been look at some cold air intake obviously apr, but i found an afe anyone try it? are there stage 2 or 3 cold air intakes for the b7?

[NorcalPB]

The only true cold air intake is the Ghost Squad Garage CAI
The others are just short ram intakes with more "enclosure"

[s42k5b]

waste of money

[jrok24k]

The only true cold air intake is the Ghost Squad Garage CAI
The others are just short ram intakes with more "enclosure"

X2

[JHaag13]

i kind of believe that cold air intakes are a waste of money.. how much hp did you gain from those?

[NorcalPB]

waste of money

Performance wise yeah, but for the sound I think it's worth it .

Just go K&N RU-3580 filter with the Blinktek heatsheild. Will run you about $130 for pretty much the same exact thing you would find with Evoms or Carbonio, except for the bling factor

[EMAXX]

A CAI, or any aftermarket intake setup just allows the car to breathe better. It's not going to be the best bang for your buck, but will allow the engine to perform a little better, mainly cause it isn't as restrictive as your stock airbox.

[NorcalPB]

i kind of believe that cold air intakes are a waste of money.. how much hp did you gain from those?

Ghost Squad Garage posted some results from their cold air intake.
But for the most part there are no gains because no matter how cold the air is that your sucking in through your intake, it still has to pass through the turbo which is as hot as balls. A more worthy upgrade would be a new intercooler.

[JHaag13]

Ghost Squad Garage posted some results from their cold air intake.
But for the most part there are no gains because no matter how cold the air is that your sucking in through your intake, it still has to pass through the turbo which is as hot as balls. A more worthy upgrade would be a new intercooler.

Wouldnt a new intercooler ask to much from a stock turbo? As I have been told before from a mechanic.

[EMAXX]

Wouldnt a new intercooler ask to much from a stock turbo? As I have been told before from a mechanic.

What?

There are plenty of guys on the board that have stock turbos and run FMIC. The SMIC that come on our cars work, but are not the best. Especially if you live up at high altitudes. The heat soak in the engine will eventually kill it.

[AWDTURBO]

What?

There are plenty of guys on the board that have stock turbos and run FMIC. The SMIC that come on our cars work, but are not the best. Especially if you live up at high altitudes. The heat soak in the engine will eventually kill it.

+1

[JHaag13]

haha alright i dunno what there talking about then.. ill have to go talk to them about it. they said like an intercooler would be pushin the turbo to much and would blow the turbo so you mine as well wait till you go for a bigger turbo.

[NorcalPB]

Wouldnt a new intercooler ask to much from a stock turbo? As I have been told before from a mechanic.

The intercooler helps the turbo. Because the intercooler functions after the turbo, there is no way the intercooler will affect the turbo.

[Turn10]

If you get the GSG CAI then you have to get a FMIC anyway...

[EMAXX]

haha alright i dunno what there talking about then.. ill have to go talk to them about it. they said like an intercooler would be pushin the turbo to much and would blow the turbo so you mine as well wait till you go for a bigger turbo.

An intercooler would help the turbo and especially help the motor. It allows cooler air to enter to motor, allowing the engine to perform better, and thus making more power.

[JHaag13]

haha yeah that makes sense.. i'll just have to look into something else maybe ill make some cooler noises some other time.. i dunno have you seen the afe cold air intake? streetbeatcustoms.com ive never seen anyone else with it.

[Giza]

it's just a waste of money. the stock airbox is already very efficient. i doubt you'll see any gains at all. maybe even a loss of power. an intake is a ricer mod

[NorcalPB]

it's just a waste of money. the stock airbox is already very efficient. i doubt you'll see any gains at all. maybe even a loss of power. an intake is a ricer mod

Sadly it's true, that a K&N drop in replacement filter will be your best bet in regards to performance, but I don't understand how it qualifies as "rice".

[JHaag13]

noted- but not a rice mod at all.

[JMG]

CAI's is a wishful thinking mod. I can see how someone might call it rice, since most rice mods are just mods to make the car appear or seem faster without any real gains. Either way, get a drop in filter and call it a day with the intake.

[p1nk50ck]

useless mods are usually coupled in with the term "ricer mods". ie - gauges that measure things that don't provide the driver with any useful information, gigantic spoilers on FWD cars, hideous/gaudy body kits, etc.

[NorcalPB]

useless mods are usually coupled in with the term "ricer mods". ie - gauges that measure things that don't provide the driver with any useful information, gigantic spoilers on FWD cars, hideous/gaudy body kits, etc.

Haha well an open filter could provide more air flow...
But looking back on the p1nk50ck VS. GSG's intake pipe thread I'd prefer to not get into it

[p1nk50ck]

Haha well an open filter could provide more air flow...
But looking back on the p1nk50ck VS. GSG's intake pipe thread I'd prefer to not get into it

no, i'm not saying anything about the intake... i'm just explaining the "ricer" term.

i did a homemade intake pipe. not sure what gains it gave me, i actually doubt that it gives any gains at all, but it sounds great.

from what i've seen, most turboed cars don't get a lot of gains from cold air intakes, since the air will get reheated anyways through being compressed, also because it has to pass through a hot assed turbo. look at all of the high hp supras and other dyno queens, those guys are trying to squeeze every ounce of hp out of their motors, and none of them run a cold air intake.

[NorcalPB]

Yeah, but then again if body kits are rice then what makes changing the filler plate on our b7s any different? It's all a matter of perspective and taste, and in the end you should do what makes you happy.

[p1nk50ck]

Yeah, but then again if body kits are rice then what makes changing the filler plate on our b7s any different? It's all a matter of perspective and taste, and in the end you should do what makes you happy.

no, i said hideous/gaudy body kits.

filler plates are neither.

this what i mean:

[NorcalPB]

But hideous/gaudy to one could be beautiful to another. While I agree with you that the majority of imports with body kits make me want to cry, its all a matter of perspective so there really is not true definition of rice.

[p1nk50ck]

i changed the picture to reiterate my point. and no, there's no top mount on that GTI to make that hoodscoop functional. and no, there's no hole in the hood that would draw cooler air into the engine bay.

regardless if the person likes it or not (obviously they probably do, because they have it on their car in the first place) it doesn't take away from the fact that the mod is useless, and hence the coined term "ricer".

the bottom line is that its your car, and unless you're some d-bag that needs to show off everything he has to feel any amount of self-worth, it really doesn't matter what other people think about your stuff.

[Quattro]

As people have menitoned only GSG has a true CAI, an intake will give you a better sound and from what I have seen and felt better gains. GSG did post a dyno for their CAI, just throwing that out before it starts into another frenzy.

Other companies offer good alternative intakes, I ran evoms for a long time before my CAI, I didnt feel much gains as I do now, but the intake sounded awesome.

I know you searched, but I saw a comparison between evoms and carbonio intakes v stock. Maybe someone can post that link up and you can get an idea of what an intake can give you for gains. I also have seen AEM make an intake, which looks like the carbonio, enclosed.

-randy

[p1nk50ck]

GSG did post a dyno for their CAI, just throwing that out before it starts into another frenzy.


-randy

again, not to start a frenzy, but the dyno chart that was posted is for the CAI and Intercooler combo. which doesn't show the benefits of a CAI by itself. also, from what's written on the chart, it says that they did a pull from 2nd gear, which is pretty strange, i would expect to see a 3rd or 4th gear pull. and does 2nd gear really get up to 85-95 mph?


from the gsg website:

[06B7audiA4]

If you get the GSG CAI then you have to get a FMIC anyway...

lol DEF not true..

For everyone who asked. I run currently run an ATP fmic w/ APR Carbonio, Im changing up to a GSG FMIC and their FMIC. Overall def helped with heatsoak and Im on the stock turbo.
My thoughts on the CAI are....worth it for show, sound, and HELPING not curing all hot air problems. but i do feel its HELPING bring in colder air

[06B7audiA4]

no, i said hideous/gaudy body kits.

filler plates are neither.

this what i mean:

lol well this isnt a body kit at all...This is a subaru hoodscoop on a complete stock body mk5. AND yes doesnt look right at all. maybe it would look nicer with the car lowered.. :/

[06B7audiA4]

"RICER MOD" to me doesnt mean a pointless mod at all for example changing the look of your antenna on MK4 GTIs was so big and it was for show reason. Changing filler plate is for state regulation or show reason, still a point with it becuase it cleans up the lines of the ride.
I drive a non sline and its the lil things you do to the body to have it stand out in front of the competition esp against others who have the sline which included (skirts, headlamps, and such) diff then the non sliners

I use the term rice when I see a car with a body kit that is half way on or painted half way. Or when a car goes by and its got 2 loud cans on the bk...Dont see many audis i can call RICE ..

[rudtf]

if i were to get one out of the one's available, i'd go gsg as i like the placement of the filter.. down and as far away from the turbo. only downside is i read somewhere on here that it's not compatible with big turbo kits.. i think it was a thread about apr's bt.

[NorcalPB]

lol DEF not true..

For everyone who asked. I run currently run an ATP fmic w/ APR Carbonio, Im changing up to a GSG FMIC and their FMIC. Overall def helped with heatsoak and Im on the stock turbo.
My thoughts on the CAI are....worth it for show, sound, and HELPING not curing all hot air problems. but i do feel its HELPING bring in colder air

What he said was true, kind of.

The GSG CAI location is where the current right smic is. The only way to keep the intercooler there is to remove the intercooler piping, making the smic on the left the only one that is working. That is not recomended, which is why you DO need a fmic.

[Quattro]

[QUOTE=p1nk50ck;3242937]again, not to start a frenzy, but the dyno chart that was posted is for the CAI and Intercooler combo. which doesn't show the benefits of a CAI by itself. also, from what's written on the chart, it says that they did a pull from 2nd gear, which is pretty strange, i would expect to see a 3rd or 4th gear pull. and does 2nd gear really get up to 85-95 mph?


you are right, it is with a combination with the FMIC. So, you would expect with a fmic + the intake to see those gains.


When I dyno'd my car, they used 2nd gear as well, from what I was told, it was the best gear.

[barkerd427]

I don't think that is true. I think it is the ducting that needs to be removed an not the piping. Also, you cannot use the GSG CAI with the APR BT kit. I assume that most others won't work either. This is all due to the custom pipe coming from the airbox. You would have to have one custom fabricated.

[p1nk50ck]

When I dyno'd my car, they used 2nd gear as well, from what I was told, it was the best gear.

you usually want to use the gear that has the closest 1:1 ratio. for most 5 or 6 speed cars, it's either 3rd or 4th gear.


i'm new to the german car world, so perhaps there's something i'm missing, but this is the first time i've heard of someone using second gear to dyno a 6 speed car.

[eskimopunk]

like others have said, the stock air box is great. It's from the b5 or b6 s4 (can't remember lol)... it's good for 300hp so there's no point getting one till you go BT unless you live in like 130+ degrees everyday lol.

A CAI is pretty much a rice mod until you go BT cos it makes almost no difference and sounds and looks a little nicer. But if ppl have the money then why not do it right?

And a plate filler isn't rice because ppl don't put it there cos they think it'll make their car faster - shit, i thought that was obvious,

[Hockenheim]

A CAI, or any aftermarket intake setup just allows the car to breathe better. It's not going to be the best bang for your buck, but will allow the engine to perform a little better, mainly cause it isn't as restrictive as your stock airbox.

Does it turn on VTEC too?

[Keith@APR]

Does it turn on VTEC too?

To all,

I've simply read too many misnomers and half truths in regards to intakes on this particular forum.

Would anyone be interested in intelligent, emotion free debate regarding turbocharged induction systems (intakes)?

"This one is a true cold air." "others are just short rams." "the oem airbox is fine."

These are the statements that I find somewhat misleading and would like to discuss.

What do you guys think? Can we avoid another GSG thread with all that craziness or should I just go back to the Vortex?